Derrick Rose Thread #13 - Acceptance

[southpaw954]

The last time the Bulls played a playoff game on a Saturday afternoon, D. Rose started. Keep hope alive.

But seriously, it's kinda absurd that he'd sit out and pretty much waste this whole season.

waste WHAT season? the Bulls didn't spend because they didn't PLAN to CONTEND.

I don't understand how this isn't be resonated. WE ALREADY KNEW THIS.

Dude's not wasting anything, he's protecting his body & career.

Forget this season.

Thing is they are contending. With DRose they are the 2nd best team in the East(F the Knicks, I just dont see them beating the Bulls with a healthy DRose)? How many teams can frustrate the Heat? Get under their skin? The Heat dont want to play the Bulls with or without DRose.
As for the bold, so many "what ifs" in sports. Why waste an opportunity. This team is much better than expected. Prior to this year we really only had CJ and Rose who could handle & distribute the ball. Now we have Kirk, Nate the Great, & Marco who can all handle & dish the rock. A superstar of DRose's caliber would make a world of difference.

[Zeb]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

Did he steal whatever that kid wanted autographed at the end?

Edit: Also, who's the blonde? Looks like that's why Rose missed that layup.

[League Circles]

I havent paid much attention to these threads lately, but Im guessing something is being overlooked.

Premise: rose wants, perhaps more than anything, to play the rest of his career without injury - to be in optimum physical condition.

While everyone compares his rehab time to other players who came back quicker, has anyone done a study of how many of those guys over time had lower extremity injuries after they came back from acl, whether right away or years later?

Derrick probably now believes that how and when he comes back will influence likelihood of lower extremity injuries for many years to come.

So has anyone studied the LONG term lower body health of players post acl rehab? I bet a lot of them have had problems long term that rose wants to avoid MORE THAN ANYTHING.

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[SpinninHouse]

I don't think there's anyone that would disagree with this. In fact, I think people are underrating the pressure from Jerry Reinsdorf. It wouldn't surprise me if he's just as vigilant as Reggie or anyone else about pressuring Derrick to not play. It's one thing to criticize Derrick for listening to his brother/father figure, but it's another when it's the person that's signing your checks.

Having said that, Jordan didn't give an F. But I guess that's what makes Jordan, Jordan.

I generally just try to deal with the facts of this situation, so forgive me when I post this, because its purely my opinion.

I think that Derrick Rose is EXACTLY who we thought he is. IMO, he is a good kid who wants to play, likes his teammates and is bothered watching them. I think he is also loyal to his family above that. His family doesn't really have any loyalty to the Bulls or their fans. I do think they want what is best for Rose but also have a financial interest in it which has made them push Rose hard to not play.

Torn between family and team, I think Derrick chose family over team and I think its killing him that he is in this situation in the first place.

I do think he could play if he chose to. His knee would hurt and he wouldn't be 100%, but it would help the team and it would help his rehab.

Disagree with you on the bolded sentence. I don't think he's anywhere near the person we thought he was. Some of that is on us -- as our expectations were unrealistic. The person I thought Derrick was would never be so completely apathetic about returning. Derrick told beat reporters he could care less if he sat the whole season. The Derrick that said that is way different than the Derrick that said "I would die on the court. Like die."

It's been interesting watching fans opinions of Derrick change. You have the majority of us hardcore fans who are very disturbed by this process who have major reservations about Derrick as the top dog going forward. EDIT: I don't think you intended that as a personal attack, but it was one. And that's not a shot because I wished dearly I liked in a world in which I geniunely could ignore red flags and act as they never happened. I would be a lot more hopeful.

No top dog on an NBA championship has EVER missed 18 straight months for health-related reasons by age 24 and gone on to win a title. It's never happened before and the probability of it miraculously happening now is highly, highly unlikely.

Red flags are all over Derrick Rose both physically and mentally. I'm not sure Derrick will ever reach his 2011 level again -- and if he does how many seasons realistically will he be at that level?

[DanTown8587]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

Can he stop with this? I fail to see how this is at all important and I feel like he's doing this solely to be remain seen.

And did he take that kids' autograph at the end?

[Keller61]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

I must still be a big fan of Derrick, because watching this dunk gave me a little giddy feeling in my chest that I haven't felt in about a year.

[otwok]

And did he take that kids' autograph at the end?

I think he gave it back to the security to hand it back. It was also good of derrick to stop and take a picture with the guy and his daughter.

[Keller61]

No top dog on an NBA championship has EVER missed 18 straight months for health-related reasons by age 24 and gone on to win a title. It's never happened before and the probability of it miraculously happening now is highly, highly unlikely.

No one had ever won an MVP at 22 either.

[WestsideResider]

The last time the Bulls played a playoff game on a Saturday afternoon, D. Rose started. Keep hope alive.

But seriously, it's kinda absurd that he'd sit out and pretty much waste this whole season.

waste WHAT season? the Bulls didn't spend because they didn't PLAN to CONTEND.

I don't understand how this isn't be resonated. WE ALREADY KNEW THIS.

Dude's not wasting anything, he's protecting his body & career.

Forget this season.

This is all news to be because I was told that Derrick Rose would be our midseason acquisition. I don't understand how he's protecting his body and career by not playing when he's fully healthy, but I'm not trying to debate about this lol.

[Spike_bull]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

Did he steal whatever that kid wanted autographed at the end?

Edit: Also, who's the blonde? Looks like that's why Rose missed that layup.

what happend to that kid???!!! Drose come back man! You are more than ok to play!

[coldfish]

Disagree with you on the bolded sentence. I don't think he's anywhere near the person we thought he was. Some of that is on us -- as our expectations were unrealistic. The person I thought Derrick was would never be so completely apathetic about returning. Derrick told beat reporters he could care less if he sat the whole season. The Derrick that said that is way different than the Derrick that said "I would die on the court. Like die."

It's been interesting watching fans opinions of Derrick change. You have the majority of us hardcore fans who are very disturbed by this process who have major reservations about Derrick as the top dog going forward. EDIT And that's not a shot because I wished dearly I liked in a world in which I geniunely could ignore red flags and act as they never happened. I would be a lot more hopeful.

No top dog on an NBA championship has EVER missed 18 straight months for health-related reasons by age 24 and gone on to win a title. It's never happened before and the probability of it miraculously happening now is highly, highly unlikely.

Red flags are all over Derrick Rose both physically and mentally. I'm not sure Derrick will ever reach his 2011 level again -- and if he does how many seasons realistically will he be at that level?

Fair enough. I never thought Rose was the Kobe / MJ type who would rip out their grandma's heart and feed it to a dog for a playoff win.

Also, I don't believe *anything* that is a direct quote as part of a prepared media interview. I don't believe the Bulls when they say they are OK with him missing time and I don't believe Derrick when he says it. IMO, they have no choice but to spin it in the most positive light. Just think about Derrick's media options right now:
- Lie and say that he is really hurting, which is going to freak everyone out
- Tell the truth and say "I really want to play, but my brother won't let me"
- Say something awful like "I could play, but my teammates suck, so what's the point?"
- Give bland "its all in God's hands" answers.

IMO, the reason why you aren't hearing much from Rose is because he has nothing that he can say to the media. Sometimes saying nothing is better than telling the truth or lying.

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[Dieselbound&Down]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

I wish they'd shut him down and stop having him tease the fans with these pregame workouts.

Agreed completely. Let the Rose thing simmer, let the team on the floor enjoy the full spotlight and let time do it's thing to Rose's body and fans psyche. Keep him out of these pointless pregame workouts.

[Edvedder10]

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got a good reaction from the crowd after the dunk looks good. but have accepted the fact he wont be back. The landing the was a good sign.

I wish they'd shut him down and stop having him tease the fans with these pregame workouts.

Agreed completely. Let the Rose thing simmer, let the team on the floor enjoy the full spotlight and let time do it's thing to Rose's body and fans psyche. Keep him out of these pointless pregame workouts.

He's got all summer to get ready, they can stop now, we all know the decision of sitting the season and playoffs was made a long time ago.

[Mech Engineer]

I am all for Derrick coming back now because it has been 11+ months since his injury. That said, I don't see any problems with him mentally once he comes back(if he is physically ok).
It is ridiculous to compare Derrick to Kobe/MJ because they had different injuries. Kobe is all dedicated now after age 28 or 30. But, how would he behave if he had an ACL tear when he was 23? That's a big reach to judge based on something he is doing after he has got his championships(which are mostly due to Shaq in the 1st go-around).

And, MJ probably gave up 2 championships because he was not tough enough mentally to handle other issues.

Comparing Rose to Rubio/Shumpert is more reasonable. All that said, I don't see him coming back or not as a super big issue in the big picture of his career.

[Keller61]

It's kind of weird seeing all these little kids with Rose - I wonder how much they actually remember about him, since it's already been two years since he won MVP.

[Dieselbound&Down]

Missing an entire year of your career is a huge deal. DRose is close to his prime and is with a team that is top-5 in the league with him on the roster. There's only so many bites at that apple.

[The 6ft Hurdle]

I havent paid much attention to these threads lately, but Im guessing something is being overlooked.

Premise: rose wants, perhaps more than anything, to play the rest of his career without injury - to be in optimum physical condition.

While everyone compares his rehab time to other players who came back quicker, has anyone done a study of how many of those guys over time had lower extremity injuries after they came back from acl, whether right away or years later?

Derrick probably now believes that how and when he comes back will influence likelihood of lower extremity injuries for many years to come.

So has anyone studied the LONG term lower body health of players post acl rehab? I bet a lot of them have had problems long term that rose wants to avoid MORE THAN ANYTHING.

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But he's been medically cleared! He's disobeying Dr. Cole, and assaulting the whole medical establishment now!

But seriously, good point, and I doubt anyone on the board has.

[coldfish]

I havent paid much attention to these threads lately, but Im guessing something is being overlooked.

Premise: rose wants, perhaps more than anything, to play the rest of his career without injury - to be in optimum physical condition.

While everyone compares his rehab time to other players who came back quicker, has anyone done a study of how many of those guys over time had lower extremity injuries after they came back from acl, whether right away or years later?

Derrick probably now believes that how and when he comes back will influence likelihood of lower extremity injuries for many years to come.

So has anyone studied the LONG term lower body health of players post acl rehab? I bet a lot of them have had problems long term that rose wants to avoid MORE THAN ANYTHING.

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But he's been medically cleared! He's disobeying Dr. Cole, and assaulting the whole medical establishment now!

But seriously, good point, and I doubt anyone on the board has.

The list has been discussed ad nauseum. The guys who come back quickly usually have no issues in the long term (guys like Crawford, Lowry, etc.). The guys who took the longest are the ones that never really recovered (Livingston). That isn't to say that taking a long time causes people to have a bad recovery. They took a long time because they were having a bad recovery.

[DuckIII]

I havent paid much attention to these threads lately, but Im guessing something is being overlooked.

Premise: rose wants, perhaps more than anything, to play the rest of his career without injury - to be in optimum physical condition.

While everyone compares his rehab time to other players who came back quicker, has anyone done a study of how many of those guys over time had lower extremity injuries after they came back from acl, whether right away or years later?

Derrick probably now believes that how and when he comes back will influence likelihood of lower extremity injuries for many years to come.

So has anyone studied the LONG term lower body health of players post acl rehab? I bet a lot of them have had problems long term that rose wants to avoid MORE THAN ANYTHING.

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But he's been medically cleared! He's disobeying Dr. Cole, and assaulting the whole medical establishment now!

But seriously, good point, and I doubt anyone on the board has.

You're right. I doubt anyone on the board has. But since its Gar's premise, and since you seem to agree with it, perhaps one of you can do it since you're going to toss it out there with absolutely no basis?

Oh, and I bet doctors who do this for a living have, and take it into consideration when they clear people. Which, you know, they did. Two months ago. And though inconvenient to whatever tiny shred remains on which to defend Rose's decision without crossed fingers, its hugely significant.