Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Joe_Wiz · Post #401 » by **Joe_Wiz** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:11 pm

Breakout game for Vesely in the last game of the season: +/- of +19 in 17 minutes. That projects to almost +45 per 40 minutes. Give him enough playing time and we're virtually guaranteed a blowout win.

I trust I didn't need to use green to be properly understood.

Nivek · Post #402 » by **Nivek** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:44 pm

By virtue of his "stellar" performance over the final week of the season, Vesely passed Dahntay Jones and Ronnie Price to become the league's 5th least productive player. And Singleton moved out of the top 10 completely -- all the way to 11!!!

To AFM's question: How about an offensive rating of 86 (20 points below league average), bad defense, and below average production in every statistical category except assists (where he was exactly average).

manifested · Post #403 » by **manifested** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:48 pm

Not sure if anyone else saw this.

From Adam McGinnis on Twitter:

AJ Price revealed that Jan was scared to shoot because he was afraid of going to free throw line #wizards

https://twitter.com/adammcginnis/status ... 6682911745

sashae · Post #404 » by **sashae** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:49 pm

It's a shame he can't be cut.

closg00 · Post #405 » by **closg00** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:02 pm

Stunning, I knew it was Psychological w/him. He is a scared little boy. Take that crap back to Europe.

dandridge 10 · Post #406 » by **dandridge 10** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:05 pm

manifested wrote:Not sure if anyone else saw this.

From Adam McGinnis on Twitter:
AJ Price revealed that Jan was scared to shoot because he was afraid of going to free throw line #wizards

https://twitter.com/adammcginnis/status ... 6682911745

IMHO, the biggest thing holding Vesely back is a lack of confidence. I think the kid has talent and I actually think he could be a decent shooter. I was at almost every home game this year and watched Vesely during pre-game warm-ups almost every game. He actually has a decent stroke and believe or not looks like a competent, confident shooter during warm-ups. However, during the game, he looks scared to death to take a shot and when he does, it appears as though he is just throwing up there hoping it goes in instead of stepping into the shot with confidence. Same thing with his free throw shooting (looks good during pre-game warm-ups...but horrible during game situations). I don't think his problem is a mechanics problem; it is a confidence problem. Unfortunately, I think I would feel better about his prospects if it was the other way around.

nuposse04 · Post #407 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:15 pm

I'd like to see Vesely and B. Griner go at it 1 on 1.

Post #408 » by **nate33** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:17 pm

I wonder how he does in practice. Does he just freeze up in any competitive situation, or is only under the lights in front of a crowd of 15,000.

They should get him to a sport psychologist or something. It's pretty hard to believe that a professional athlete can be so paralyzed by fear. He is, in theory, one of the best 500 or so basketball players on the planet, yet he shoots 30% from the FT line.

jivelikenice · Post #409 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:55 pm

Wittman has seem flustered and has made it sound like the Vesely he sees in practice shrivels up when the lights go on. Look at SL. He wasn't great but he was aggressive offensively and took and MADE jumpshots. Why? Because he was a primary option on the team and he knew he wasn't going to get benched so he played more confidently and wasn't looking over his shoulders. He's so nervous when he touches the ball that he's a shell of himself in game action; and its only worse now that we have more depth upfront. Unfortunately you can't teach that. Its something that should be caught during the scouting process but unfortunately we probably didn't get much one on one time w/ him pre-draft.

Time to cut bait

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #410 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:48 pm

I just don't understand why this guy wasn't sent down to Dleague.

deneem4 · Post #411 » by **deneem4** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:06 pm

I guarantee vesley is only missing one thing from becoming the player we think he can be...a poster dunk infront of a hyped crowd over a good defender during a pivotal point in a game...opp team calls timeout...sees himself on sport center a few times...all the kid needs

hands11 · Post #412 » by **hands11** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:10 am

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/04/the ... doubt.html

A lot of interesting stuff on Ves and Euroball.

I think for Ves, the solution to his problems is simple. Add a mid range and learn to hit FTs. If he could just do those two things, all the little other things he does would actually shine.

He could still have holes in his game but they would be tolerable. But if your are shooting .308 from the line with air balls and you have no mid range game...... well... you can't stick around in the NBA dude. Not unless you are a monster defender and rebounder.

But it starts and stops with .308 FT for me. If he was hitting 70% we could at least say there is some hope he could add a mid range game. But .308 from the line ? :roll:

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #413 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:57 am

deneem4 wrote:I guarantee vesley is only missing one thing from becoming the player we think he can be...a poster dunk infront of a hyped crowd over a good defender during a pivotal point in a game...opp team calls timeout...sees himself on sport center a few times...all the kid needs

I think he is still as good as he was at the end of his rookie season. Confidence is what Vesely lacks the most. He is very unskilled but that shouldn't get in the way of him bring his greatest asset, tremendous energy for a player with his height, reach, and mobility.

deneem4, maybe you are correct to say one great highlight reel dunk could go a long ways to making Jan Vesely the best player he can be. Get the fans on his side and he will go all out.

sfam · Post #414 » by **sfam** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:49 pm

That's some good Ves discussion. While I agree that Ves needs to regain his confidence, he also needs to develop his game. For whatever reason, he didn't do that this offseason. No improvement at all. Vesely needs to find a shooting coach that can make lasting improvement in his game over the summer. Without it, he just doesn't have enough game to stick.

Its an interesting quesiton whether the Wizards FO forces him to do summer league over letting Ves play with the National team. If I was the FO, I'd force the issue. You want to see whether Ves made any improvement over April/May, or did he just take time off.

Post #415 » by **nate33** » Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:59 pm

Its an interesting quesiton whether the Wizards FO forces him to do summer league over letting Ves play with the National team. If I was the FO, I'd force the issue. You want to see whether Ves made any improvement over April/May, or did he just take time off.

I figure the National team will be better for him than Summer League. Hopefully, he can regain his confidence while playing for his home country.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #416 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:05 am

He's scared to do anything with the ball in his hands because he's scared to go to the FT line.

sfam · Post #417 » by **sfam** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:24 am

nate33 wrote:
Its an interesting quesiton whether the Wizards FO forces him to do summer league over letting Ves play with the National team. If I was the FO, I'd force the issue. You want to see whether Ves made any improvement over April/May, or did he just take time off.

I figure the National team will be better for him than Summer League. Hopefully, he can regain his confidence while playing for his home country.

I definitely agree, but he would only be missing two weeks of National team prep for summer league. Their real games don't start till September.

hands11 · Post #418 » by **hands11** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:23 am

Here is one things that concerns me about Ves. In his exit interview, when asked what he needs to work on, the words "shooting and FTs " doesn't come out of his mouth. He just give some lame "everything" answer.

When you ask Wall or Beal this question, you get specifics. Beal mentions his ball handing. Wall always would talk about his need to get better at shooting. In the past I have heard Wall say things like his post game. And we know Wall worked with shooting coaches and the same coach that worked with D Rose. We even know he is going to work with him again.

With Nene, the answer was clear. His health.

I just don't get a sense of accountability or awareness from Ves. And that worries me. I would have much rather him say. I'm going to be focusing on my FT shooting and mid range shooting. I would want to know what coach he has lined up to help him. But you don't get that from him. All we know is he is going to play Euro ball. Thats great. But I don't think it will be enough.

Now in his defense, he did mention getting stronger. But that just wasn't enough for me to have a feeling of confidence. I don't get a sense of urgency from him.

Add to all of this that they changed his position and its just all messed up.

Post #419 » by **nate33** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:53 pm

I dunno hands. "Everything" is about right when it comes to Vesely. There's also the language barrier. Vesely is not going to be as articulate as the Americans.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #420 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:54 pm

nate33 wrote:I dunno hands. "Everything" is about right when it comes to Vesely. There's also the language barrier. Vesely is not going to be as articulate as the Americans.

Certainly. Ves has a laundry list of things he needs to improve. The most visible is the shooting, and that's something that he can certainly improve through repetition and by finding a source of confidence.

Next is his strength level. He's too damn weak and it leads to foul problems and soft play. I think that him being so soft on the boards is as big a problem for him as the shooting. Ves has coordination and IQ and so much length and leaping ability. He has the potential to be an outstanding rebounder but he's too soft. He has trouble establishing position and he gets passive on the glass, watches the ball if it's not in his area and sprints back with out any attempt to come down with it.

Ves does a good job finishing assisted baskets close to the rim. He does a good job peering over the defense and passing in the half court--making tough cross court passes to take advantage of floor space. He can score on cuts too. And he's an active defender that contests shots in his area. He's got a classic glue man type game and I think this comes out in his oddly good +/- for such a marginal, bottom of the roster player. We had a tendency to go on runs when he came in because he helped us get stops. But his two great weaknesses of shooting and rebounding almost totally limit the lineups and situations you can use him in.

You can't play him in any sort of crunch time situation because of his shooting. You can't play him in a big lineup at SF because of his shooting, you need multiple long range shooters on the floor with Wall at PG. You can't play him big minutes with Singleton, Seraphin, or Nene as the other big because that would be a horrible rebounding lineup. So when do you play him?

At this point, there is nothing left for us to do but hold onto him and hope the lightbulb turns on eventually. Hope he shows up one season with some strength on him or a slick jumper.

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