The Dwight Howard Thread

[Dr Aki]

just looked at the cba faq. guess i was wrong.

didn't make sense at first, and still doesn't, why is the only restriction that the receiving team not exceed 4 mil above the LT?

[TyCobb]

Now I'm confused. What did you find out about it, Aki?

[Dr Aki]

Now I'm confused. What did you find out about it, Aki?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade1, 2.

[TyCobb]

So basically we can do a S&T with Dwight going to a team with cap space + under the given 'apron'?

[kblo247]

How are Parsons and Asik unathletic?

They actually fit a need. Rim protection. Asik is very much a mobile center and defensive anchor, double double guy. Likewise parsons had such a dramatic jump year to year from hard work, has length, a shot, foot speed, and a vert that the only one on this team whose matching him was Kobe. He can facilitate, he can dribble, he can penetrate without a pick, he can shoot the ball, and he can defend 1-4 like a white Iggy with a much better price and cap hit.

Even the playing with Kobe argument is minimal since they play with Harden and Lin who only ISO, ISO, ISO, dribble clock, ISO, ISO, and monopolize the ball with a bunch of turnovers to boot. Their skills allow them to be useful as you can see by following them all year on LP. Asik doesn't call for the ball, he knows his lane. Likewise parsons gets the scraps and makes things happen when there is time, and its not like he wouldn't easily be a better perimeter everything than anyone on the roster outside Kobe. A point forward this team has solely lacked his whole career to actually be Pippen

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Option A is retain Dwight always as long as he wants to return

Option B should be facilitating Houston and getting Asik and Parsons in a sign and trade as that's your best value return to fill two needs, a starting 3 and 5. A starting 3 and 5 in this league for at least a decade at that, both on great deals, that still make 2014 viable with a re-signed Kobe. The guys are young, can play, multi skilled, filled holes, and aren't injury riddled in good contracts, come on that's easily the best option B we have

Option C if Dwight leaves is keep Pau at C, but force him to go to germany and do the treatment the right way, not the bynum way. Let him expire, and then play the free agency market. Try to sign Pau and Kobe both for cheap and then retool with a franchise guy.

[Dr Aki]

How are Parsons and Asik unathletic?

They actually fit a need. Rim protection. Asik is very much a mobile center and defensive anchor, double double guy. Likewise parsons had such a dramatic jump year to year from hard work, has length, a shot, foot speed, and a vert that the only one on this team whose matching him was Kobe. He can facilitate, he can dribble, he can penetrate without a pick, he can shoot the ball, and he can defend 1-4 like a white Iggy with a much better price and cap hit

Option A is retain Dwight always as long as he wants to return

Option B should be facilitating Houston and getting Asik and Parsons in a sign and trade as that's your best value return to fill two needs, a starting 3 and 5. A starting 3 and 5 in this league for at least a decade at that, both on great deals, that still make 2014 viable with a re-signed Kobe. The guys are young, can play, multi skilled, filled holes, and aren't injury riddled in good contracts, come on that's easily the best option B we have

Option C if Dwight leaves is keep Pau at C, but force him to go to germany and do the treatment the right way, not the bynum way. Let him expire, and then play the free agency market. Try to sign Pau and Kobe both for cheap and then retool with a franchise guy.

cant get parsons.

hes RFA and cant be SnT to the lakers lol

[kblo247]

I thoughts Parsons had 2 years left on his deal ... They said something about that during the game the other night, talking about his value

[kblo247]

In December 2011, the Rockets signed Parsons to a four-year, $3,629,500 contract (using a sliver of remaining salary cap room they had at the time). Like the contracts previously given to Jermaine Taylor and Chase Budinger, Parsons agreed to bind himself to the team for four years in exchange for an increased salary in the first year ($850,000 instead of the league minimum of $473,604) and second year ($888,250 instead of the league minimum $762,195), both of which are fully guaranteed.

However, Parsons seems to have had a better agent than either Taylor or Budinger.

Whereas Taylor and Budinger agreed to give the Rockets fully non-guaranteed Years 3 and 4 (together with a team option on Year 4), Parsons and his agent negotiated for additional financial security. By Parsons having not been waived by the Rockets before January 1, 2013, Parsons’s salary for the 2013-14 season ($926,500) became partially guaranteed for $600,000; and if Parsons is not waived by June 30, 2013, his 2013-14 salary becomes fully guaranteed. Furthermore, if the Rockets do not waive Parsons by January 1, 2014, his salary for the 2014-15 season ($964,750) becomes partially guaranteed for $624,771 (the same percentage partial guarantee as in Year 3); and if Parsons is not waived by June 30, 2014, his 2014-15 salary becomes fully guaranteed.

The key bit of new information relating to the Parsons contract?

It also has a team option on Year 4.

This means that, despite having already guaranteed Parsons $624,771 for the 2014-15 season, the Rockets have the right to decline their team option, essentially “eat” that money, and make Parsons a restricted free agent. If the Rockets instead exercise that team option, then when his contract expires in 2015, Parsons will be an unrestricted free agent

http://rockets.clutchfans.net/3681/chan ... -take-two/.

He's still inked unless if the team chooses to opt him out.

Inked for pennies and only becomes restricted if the team chooses. His small deal wouldn't hurt the cap plan for next summer at all. His and Asik deals are great like I said. I remember them saying he was unusual because he signed for 4 years as a second rounder and it was a steal

[Kilroy]

So basically we can do a S&T with Dwight going to a team with cap space + under the given 'apron'?

That's my understanding as well.

[EArl]

From what Doc has been saying we can trade dwight if we pick up someone that is already under contract. i would rather just let him walk then be stuck with a bad contract.

[hazy_01]

I want to keep Dwight. We have all witnessed what he can do when he's 100% healthy from his Magic days and he will be entering his prime at his current age. Obviously, he did not play like himself this season (less lift, less mobile) and in hindsight, he should've came back from injury later but even playing hurt he was among the league leaders in rebounding, block shots, and FG%. I am more than hopeful he will come back stronger, healthier next season with a full off-season to rehabilitate and train.

[ROballer]

So basically we can do a S&T with Dwight going to a team with cap space + under the given 'apron'?

That's my understanding as well.

If he doesn't want to stay here,ship him to Atl for Horford/Korver/Lou Williams

The Hawks have cap space,don't they?

Or Houston,they have some money to spend too....those are the 2 teams with assets we can get and at the same time,Dwight would consider playing for them

[The Skyhook]

If Dwight is going to leave for sure I would take Asik and Parsons in a heartbeat. Asik might not be Dwight Howard but he plays hard every night and knows his role. Parsons is the perfect fit at the 3 for this team if it stays in tact minus Dwight Howard.

Even going forward without Kobe, Gasol, or Howard I think Asik and Parsons would be two quality role players that could be here long term.

[kblo247]

Yeah that's why I would take them. They are young, know their roles, play it well, athletic, and their contracts don't hinder 2014 at all. They could very well start at the 3 and 5 for 5-10 years in la around whoever you bring in because Parsons is locked in for 2 more years with a team option. You can extend him after you work out other deals next summer. I mean Parsons, Asik, cheap Kobe, a name or 2, and the team isn't terrible at all

Parsons can give you Eddie Jones like production and Asik can anchor many good defensive teams for year, that and an injury free bill of health on both makes it the ideal plan B.

I'm not saying push Dwight away, just that Parsons and Asik are the best B there is without screwing anything up and improving this team.

[GeorgeDillion]

So basically we can do a S&T with Dwight going to a team with cap space + under the given 'apron'?

That's my understanding as well.

As long as the team receiving is not above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade, It's fine.

Essentially from my understanding if we amnestied Metta we could use Pau as a sign and trade option.

In the FAQs most of us know that it says that (89.) "Starting in 2013-14, the team receiving the player cannot be above the "apron" ($4 million above the tax level) after the trade". This wording doesn't strictly prohibit a team in the tax from doing a sign and trade. So it doesn't really stop you from trading more salary for less salary.

We don't know the exact tax numbers so I'm assuming it will be somewhere between 74-80M so the apron would be 78-84M. This year's tax is at 70M so the apron would be 74M.

Assuming Metta is amnestied and we have Pau as trade bait to a team that wants him.

Kobe: 30,453,805
Nash: 9,300,500
Blake: 4,000,000
Hill: 3,563,600
Howard: 20,513,178 (Used his cap hold amount)
Total salary: 67,831,083

So a player we receive in a sign and trade for Pau could make no more than:

This year's apron : 6,168,917
Next year's apron at 78M: 10,168,917
Next year's apron at 80M: 14,168,917

I didn't count cap holds because according to the FAQs unless I read it wrong (14.) cap holds for free agents are excluded and cap holds for the team's outstanding exceptions are excluded. In the calculations for sign and trade transactions.

So in a situation that we can dump Blake or Hill for a pick those numbers increase by 3-4M.

It could all be wrong though.

[kblo247]

So basically we can do a S&T with Dwight going to a team with cap space + under the given 'apron'?

That's my understanding as well.

If he doesn't want to stay here,ship him to Atl for Horford/Korver/Lou Williams

The Hawks have cap space,don't they?

Or Houston,they have some money to spend too....those are the 2 teams with assets we can get and at the same time,Dwight would consider playing for them

I know Korver is a free agent. He's already spoke of looking at Utah and Atlanta earlier this year because his family liked Utah and he liked his role in atlanta

[dockingsched]

i hope people don't actually think the rockets would give up parsons when they can just sign dwight outright.

[The Skyhook]

i hope people don't actually think the rockets would give up parsons when they can just sign dwight outright.

No but if Dwight wants to be like Carmelo Anthony and hold the Rockets hostage so that he can get a max deal then Houston might just bite if they really want Dwight that badly. Dwight has been pretty complicated when its come to his future plans so who knows what contract negotiations will be like when the time comes this summer.

[GeorgeDillion]

i hope people don't actually think the rockets would give up parsons when they can just sign dwight outright.

I also hope they understand we can't just sign and trade him to our chosen destination either.

[EArl]

I really dont see houston doing that. Asik has a big contract that I personally don't think he is worth.
We will be treading playoffs first round exit for years with him.

I would rather tank if we cant keep dwight. it would only be a year and our contracts come of the books.