NBA Games Discussion Thread

[dangermouse]

That Bogut dunk on McGee was a ripper bonza mate!!!

If i wasnt so in love with the Wizards i think i'd be a Warriors supporter. Ive had fun watching them for years now, they are always an exciting team, especially come playoff time. My countryman getting traded there was good too, hope he stays healthy. And I have a real dislike of the Nuggets so im enjoying watching this series. Some great basketball.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

There should be no reason that the Warriors without Lee are outrebounding the Nuggets. Mark Jackson is outcoaching George Karl. I mean, Wilson Chandler at the 5 against Bogut at times?

+1

Jackson owns Karl. Chandler is not the answer this series. I think he needs to run Lawson with Miller a lot. Igoudala is doing well but I don't think Fornier is ready. Hamilton might help and Randolph with Koufos might work.

[queridiculo]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

To be fair, Javale averaging only 16 minutes against the depleted Warriors front court is a joke.

I have a pretty low opinion of the kid, but I find it hard to believe that he couldn't contribute against that depleted Warriors front court.

[RustyMagoo]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

To be fair, Javale averaging only 16 minutes against the depleted Warriors front court is a joke.

I have a pretty low opinion of the kid, but I find it hard to believe that he couldn't contribute against that depleted Warriors front court.

When you have 4 PF, 3 TO and 1 RB in that 16 minutes, you make it tough for the coach to leave you in.

[gambitx777]

clicked the wrong thread lol

[nate33]

Ok so i want to know what you guys think, if we pick up a second first rounder here are some of the guys i think we should target with both picks,
Kelly olynyk, C.J. McCollum, Mason Plumlee, Steven Adams, Gorgui Dieng, Erick Green,
second round targets should be
James Ennis, Brandon Davies, Shane Larkin, Adreian Payne, Ryan Kelly, Pierre Jackson, Isaiah austin

Wrong thread.

[dobrojim]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

To be fair, Javale averaging only 16 minutes against the depleted Warriors front court is a joke.

I have a pretty low opinion of the kid, but I find it hard to believe that he couldn't contribute against that depleted Warriors front court.

When you have 4 PF, 3 TO and 1 RB in that 16 minutes, you make it tough for the coach to leave you in.

face it

JM being a major rotation player simply isn't that likely to be very conducive to winning,
at least not in the pressure cooker atmosphere of the playoffs. Every potential matchup
he has from here to the Finals doesn't favor him in the slightest. I nearly choked or threw
something at the TV when earlier in the series an ESPN announcer was touting JM for
going to Dream camp since according to this mediot, he's fine on D but needs to improve
his offense. SMH. All the people on the Nugs bandwagon conveniently forgot about the
JM factor.

A little closer to home, was watching the C-Nixs game yesterday. Don't like either
team much (understatement)...when KG tied the score at 84 down the stretch
in regulation he traveled big time earlier in the possession before PP gave him the
ball back for the shot. I see that non-call all the time and wonder why it isn't called.
He caught the ball and changed pivot feet 2x while moving from near the elbow almost
out to the 3 pt line. But the Nix deserve to win even less for continuing to force feed
Melo when he couldn't throw it in the ocean. DoughBoy and Shumpert were both shooting
it much better but Melo used about 80% or more of the possessions down the stretch.

Hope Memphis beats the Divas who I have no use for except Grant Hill who
isn't seeing the court.

Very satisfying to see the other LA Divas go down with little more than a whimper.
Gotta luv TimmyFundamental and TP. Nasty dunk by Manu too.

Does anyone outside of IND care about the Pacers-Hawks? I don't think anyone in ATL
cares. Sadly ATL has never really been a very good hoop town.

[GhostsOfGil]

That Bogut dunk on McGee was a ripper bonza mate!!!

If i wasnt so in love with the Wizards i think i'd be a Warriors supporter. Ive had fun watching them for years now, they are always an exciting team, especially come playoff time. My countryman getting traded there was good too, hope he stays healthy. And I have a real dislike of the Nuggets so im enjoying watching this series. Some great basketball.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyPqZO5DeSE[/youtube]

[Ruzious]

With Faried back in the lineup, you gotta wonder what Karl was thinking sticking to a small ball lineup - since they hadn't done that at all during the regular season. Koufos, McGee, and Mozgov combined for 48 minutes a game during the regular season. They played Faried a lot at center - I think he started there, and again - Chandler's a 3 playing the 4. He's not a 4. With Lee out, he should have a huge advantage. But I'm guessing he's been over-thinking it and turning his advantage into a disadvantage.

[nate33]

With Faried back in the lineup, you gotta wonder what Karl was thinking sticking to a small ball lineup - since they hadn't done that at all during the regular season. Koufos, McGee, and Mozgov combined for 48 minutes a game during the regular season. They played Faried a lot at center - I think he started there, and again - Chandler's a 3 playing the 4. He's not a 4. With Lee out, he should have a huge advantage. But I'm guessing he's been over-thinking it and turning his advantage into a disadvantage.

This seems to happen all the time. One team has injury issues and is forced to play small ball. The other team, rather than punish them in the post, responds by playing small ball too, taking away their one advantage.

McGee is a pretty mobile guy. I'd play him and Koufos together. McGee can chase Chandler around for a while defensively and then completely punish him on the low block.

[hands11]

Tough year for the Lakers with all those injuries. 100M plus cap penalties for a first round sweep.
And their inspirational owner is now gone. And Kobe with an Achilles injury.

Should be interesting to see what they do.

Kobes contract is just killer. Nash at 39 making and he has two more years on his contract at 9M ?

Just to many big contracts on that team.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

vs

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Tony Parker signed on a flat 12.5 for 3 years is a nice deal.
Tim Duncan at 9-10M .... wow.
Watch Manu sign for something reasonable.

Such a well run organization. The players like it so much they negotiate deals that allow them to keep it going.

Lots of egos in Los Angeles. The Lakers could have set themselves up a lot better in 2010, their last finals run, when Pau and Kobe signed extensions till 2014. Sure, they got the 2nd of back to back championships at the time but man, they sure didn't think about that luxury tax and got pretty cocky.

They also are paying Artest what Ariza is making. Ariza is like 7 years younger, Laker fans still are haunted by that departure since Ariza represents what they need... athletic wings who can defend on the perimeter and get out on the break.

Lakers are already over the luxury tax without a Howard max deal. With it, they are at $100 million salary again. And instead of paying $30 million or so in luxury tax, they going to pay $80 million next year. I don't know who will trade for Pau's $19 million expiring. They may amnesty him which would be a bargain for any team with cap space to bid on him. The other two candidates for amnesty are Kobe and MWP... with MWP being one hundred times more likely.

I don't think Howard is a max player at this point. Reggie Miller kind of hit on the nail on TNT tonight.

The Spurs are great. Pop and Duncan are tied at the hip. Thats loyalty right there. I hope they go to the finals because if they get healthy, I'm sure they can challenge Miami.

They need to try to trade Pau. If they can't, amnesty him. Some team will surely pick him up for 14M which is a good chuck of the 19M he is owed.

MWP at 7M for one year isn't an issue.

Hell, maybe Kobe and Nash both retire. Tank hard for next years draft. Get massive cap room and then start signing players again.

Should be interesting to watch this go down.

[hands11]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

All 10M worth of his bench minutes ?

But hey, Dray had a nice game tonight. Got lots of props in the 4th for making a difference.

[closg00]

I still die a little inside whenever I see Chandler Parson on the floor, he dropped 27 last night.

[nate33]

How was that not a foul on Asik on the final play? He body slammed Jackson as he drove the lane.

[GhostsOfGil]

Man, Harden has been a huge disappointment. He's gone in full chuck mode.

[dobrojim]

How was that not a foul on Asik on the final play? He body slammed Jackson as he drove the lane.

I'm more for OKC than HOU, Sonicgate aside, but I think your description of Asik on the
last play is a bit of an exaggeration. Wouldn't have mattered if Ibaka makes the bunny.
Shouldn't in the long run matter either way. While OKC looks really beatable without Westbrook,
they should still get past HOU.
Ibaka was invisible most of the game last night. HOU's style of play has rendered him
much less effective. Perkins stinks. No one on their team outside of Durant appears
ready to step up to the moment. They get by HOU if only because they'll have 2 chances
at home but I don't see them getting past LAC/MEM winner.

It's all about the Big Fundamental vs BronBron now which should be interesting
given what happened during the reg season with those teams.

[RustyMagoo]

Javale McGee comin up small in the playoffs, yet again.

All 10M worth of his bench minutes ?

But hey, Dray had a nice game tonight. Got lots of props in the 4th for making a difference.

Yup. Dray was a difference-maker last night for the Nets.

[Higga]

Still kills me that we passed up on Stephen Curry in favor of Mike **** Miller and Randy **** Foye. Make em say uuuughh....

[nate33]

Still kills me that we passed up on Stephen Curry in favor of Mike **** Miller and Randy **** Foye. Make em say uuuughh....

Many people on this board actually approved of that trade, too. Here is the thread and here are some responses, including one from you, Higga.

Well we strengthened our backup PG and SG/SF spot while getting rid of three scrubs. Still I thought we could have done better...

On second thought....I really like this trade.

its actually not a horrible trade....Miller is better than Hughes..and Foye was a very high lottery pick a few years ago....Miller is going to make us very dangerous...he can rebound and get alot of assists too..very good all around player

I must say....

I LOVEEEEEEEEEEE THIS DEAL!!!! HELL YEAH! Get rid of Etan, Darious, O-Pec, for Foye AND Mike Miller!?!?!? I'd take Foye over Tyreke Evans, DeRozen, and Steph Curry anyday. I would of loved to see this team draft Jordan Hill though but whatever! I am a huge Randy fan since his days at Nova and he was the last person I'd see the Wolves trading away!

Ohhh happpy dayyyyyyyyyyyy!

I would have rather gotten rid of Stevenson, but its not horrible IF Rubio wasn't getting there. If Minny moves up for Rubio, its not horrible.

This makes us better now. I'm intrigued by Foye.

I dig it. It's a nice middleground...sure Bosh or Amare would be nice, but this is a very solid deal.

Also this is probably the end of Nick Young's days. How about him + our 2nd rounder for a mid first? Would anybody bite?

well grunfeld did address our pourous perimeter defense at the pg spot, but before his knee injury he had a pretty good rep. If it turns out that Foye Every point guard in the league was able to get in the lane an put our bigs in foul trouble over the years.
Miller is automatically our best three point shooter. No more relying on Jamison to Hoist up threes and miller is longer than Butler.
Our main issue now I think is getting a big who can score in the efficiently in the post at will, block shots, play with a high motor, and become an above average defensive rebounder. All in one player.

Good move by the FO. Randy Foye is a future allstar and is the best defender on the Wizards now. I don't see MM starting over Foye at the 2. MM ain't a bad player but I'd like to see him used to receive a big man. There are to many wing players now, something has to happen.

Anyway I'm fine with getting Foye although I would have tried to draft Curry and just figure out how to use him with the Wizards.

I give this trade a 4 out of 10, because I think Pecherov and whoever goes at 5 will become good players.

There were a few dissenters:

Christ, I'm sorry but why am I the only one who for months has been saying our perimeter defense is THE WORST IN THE LEAGUE. We just added a guy who will knock Dom out of his spot, thus replacing a budding defender for a eh defender. That makes us worse at the thing we are known leaguewide for being awful at. Seriously, what are you people smoking to think that we have a shot with this defense? If we got a John Wall lottery ticket, then I'm fine with it. If not, this trade is God awful. Oh, but we're basing our championship hopes on the Blatche. I forgot. That's another great idea. He seems so up for the job. Again, I'm lost as to how the collective on this board is removed from basic reality lately.

I gotta side with barely & CCJ on this one. I don't like the trade all that much.

My theory on NBA trades is pretty simple and is a tried and true measure. Whoever gets the best player in the deal gets the better of the trade.

Can any of you honestly say that Mike Miller or Randy Foye are and will be better than anyone we could have drafted at #5?

For all you James Harden fans, alot of you are the same folks touting this trade, are you suggesting that he would have never equalled what Mike Miller or Randy Foye is today?

Both Miller & Foye are considered offensive minded players. Neither is known for their defense. However Miller's PER last year was 13.84 and Foye's PER was 13.76. So what does that tell us if the league average 15.00 and PER is considered the best way of measuring a players productiveness?

I believe we needed quality talent NOT quantity. To me its about a team filling out its rotation, instead of attempting to add an impact player.

Unless you can convince me that Miller & Foye are the final pieces to a championship puzzle, I have trouble viewing this as a good deal for the Wizards.

I don't like this trade at all. I was never a big fan of Foye and I don't think he's any better than Nick Young. I like Miller, but not for the #5 pick.

And for the life of me, I don't understand why we didn't give them Stevenson instead of Songaila. We now have Arenas, Foye, Young, Stevenson, James and Crittenton in the backcourt, plus Miller, DMac and Butler who can also spend some time there. That's a huge log jam. Meanwhile, we only have 4 credible big men: Jamison, Haywood, Blatche and McGee - and McGee hasn't shown that he's a reliable player yet.

I hope another trade is in the works.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

nate, I did like Mike Miller but you can find where I posted Steph Curry is way better than Randy Foye. If not for hopes of what Miller might have brought if healthy I would have rated the deal LOWER than 4.

It was a bad, bad deal. I am ashamed to have rated it as high as a four.

Dat was right about Pecherov and I was wrong. Stewie basically was posterized back to Europe. I think it was beyond dumb to have selected Blatche, Pecherov, and McGee under the set of circumstances they did. OPEC would still be a Spur if they drafted him. Matt Bonner game welcome off the bench fits Pecherov's skillset perfectly. His problem was no other players played any defense but Haywood under EJ.

This Wizards team could use a seven-footer with Pecherov's range. Too bad his spirit was crushed and he lacked resolve while this team didn't have defenders like Nene, Okafor, Ariza, and Temple with a positive role model like Webster. They could have helped more than past players. Butler and Jamison were faux leaders who took a whole lot of shots and played a few too many minutes, which might be why they coasted on defense much of the time. Pecherov failed but he had help from the Wizards FO on down.