Offers for Gasol?

[sisibilio]

Assuming the Rockets let Garcia go and are not sold on any other potential candidate to commit long term

Gasol + 2014 Lakers pick lottery protected
for
Thomas Robinson + Aaron Brooks (expiring) + Royce White (basically expiring)

Is that enough or should the Rockets include some more salary?

The Lakers can't trade their 2014 pick, as Phoenix already owns their 2015 pick and you can't trade picks for consecutive seasons.

Hum, i thought they only traded 2013 for Nash. OK.

[hoops4life]

Dont really see the Jazz adding a pick to take on that salary but I could see them take Gasol on. Maybe Gasol for nothing or maybe Marvin Williams who has 1 year at like 7.5 left. Could even see the Jazz take Gasol and Nash if the Lakers want to get a clean start. Just dont see the Jazz giving first round picks to get either of them.

I totally read that wrong. I thought it was Gasol and pick for cap space. Yeah there is no way that Utah gives up a pick for Gasol. If anything, the Lakers should be adding a sweetener.

I was thinking Marvin Williams for Gasol or S&T Millsap for Gasol and Hill (or something). IRC Lakers don't really have any picks. Didn't they trade them all to PHX?

[ak7]

Dont really see the Jazz adding a pick to take on that salary but I could see them take Gasol on. Maybe Gasol for nothing or maybe Marvin Williams who has 1 year at like 7.5 left. Could even see the Jazz take Gasol and Nash if the Lakers want to get a clean start. Just dont see the Jazz giving first round picks to get either of them.

I totally read that wrong. I thought it was Gasol and pick for cap space. Yeah there is no way that Utah gives up a pick for Gasol. If anything, the Lakers should be adding a sweetener.

I was thinking Marvin Williams for Gasol or S&T Millsap for Gasol and Hill (or something). IRC Lakers don't really have any picks. Didn't they trade them all to PHX?

Why would LA add a sweetener when they are giving up a 19 million expiring?

[Leto]

^ because you're getting pure cap space in return.

[old rem]

David Lee and Andris Biedrins.

Lee is solid and would fit well next to Dwight (if they could co-exist after their little skirmish) and Beans is an expiring contract.

Gasol gives GS a better player in the post and expires next year, giving them crazy cap room.

Not sure either side does it. LAL is probably pessimistic about Biedrins...who makes this a deal that jacks up LAL's payroll a few mill. To GSW...they LIKE Lee who HAS fit in...Pau often seemed to NOT fit. GSW is messing with good chemistry, is dumping Lee a year early to get to dump overpaid and not useful Biedrins...for overpaid short timer Pau. At best...maybe Pau plays okay,fits in okay, then re-ups at less $ for a couple years...but...that's pretty uncertain. The other maybe is maybe GSW can spin having cap room next summer.

That...might go well....but often FA ends up with the High Bid...winning the rights to overpay the wrong guy.
Flashback a few years.......Now...J Johnson, Amare,Boozer, Pau...and several other guys look more like a BAD CONTRACT than an asset. GSW used to covet DeAndre Jordon...but at his price tag...his market value isn't much. Steve Nash? I'm not sure most teams would take on the rest of his contract.

Throwing $ at a Free agent..can be a big plus...it can turn out badly...

[ak7]

^ because you're getting pure cap space in return.

It doesn't work that way. Nor would LA do a deal like that. They don't care about "pure cap space," or Pau would have been gone 2 trade deadlines ago. If they dont amnesty him (which they won't), they'd rather let his contract expire at the end of next season when they plan on being active in free agency. I don't think people on this forum understand that.

In case you don't understand that... Pau is more of an asset to their situation and their 2014 plan than what another team is willing to give up value wise (or should I say what this crowd depicts to be his value).

[red96]

^ because you're getting pure cap space in return.

It doesn't work that way. Nor would LA do a deal like that. They don't care about "pure cap space", or Pau would have been gone 2 trade deadlines ago. If they dont amnesty him (which they won't), they'd rather let his contract expire at the end of next season when they plan on being active in free agency. I don't think people on this forum understand that.

In case you don't understand that... Pau is more of asset to their situation and their 2014 plan than what another team is willing to give up value wise (or should I say what this crowd depicts to be his value).

I think most GM's would rather wait for the Lakers to let him go and then bid for him. It sure as hell wont cost $20 mil to get Gasol then, and they wouldnt have to deal with the Lakers.

[Leto]

^ it absolutely does work that way and thats why the OP has suggested destinations with teams that can supply pure cap space. If you want cap space, you have to pay a price in terms of talent return.

Sure, go ahead and keep Gasol. I don't think anyone will care. But if you sign Howard, I dont hink you understand how little cap space you'll actually have in 2014. I.E., if you have Nash and Howard on the books, the Lakers will have about 20+ mil to spend on FA's--assuming the cap goes to about 60 mil. If you re-sign Kobe for even 10 million, that leaves you with about 11 million dollars. Who exactly do you think you're going to get for 11 million dollars?

[ak7]

^ it absolutely does work that way and thats why the OP has suggested destinations with teams that can supply pure cap space. If you want cap space, you have to pay a price in terms of talent return.

Sure, go ahead and keep Gasol. I don't think anyone will care. But if you sign Howard, I dont hink you understand how little cap space you'll actually have in 2014. I.E., if you have Nash and Howard on the books, the Lakers will have about 20+ mil to spend on FA's--assuming the cap goes to about 60 mil. If you re-sign Kobe for even 10 million, that leaves you with about 11 million dollars. Who exactly do you think you're going to get for 11 million dollars?

If Howard is signed to a max deal this offseason, his 2014 number will be roughly 21 million, Nash will be on his final year at roughly 9.7 mil. That leaves roughly 28-29 million (with a 60 mill ish cap) to offer someone a max deal which will come first before Kobe (especially if Kobe isn't willing to take a smaller contract - which he has stated in the past he would, and thats even if he doesn't retire after next season if his rehab and comeback go south).

[Lindecision]

I don't think Dwight re-signs. If that's the case, Pau stays.

[Leto]

Dwights number in his second season will be abt 24 mil--not 21. A little less than 21 mil will be his 1st season. Add Nash at 9.7 plus cap holds and you're looking at 24 + 9.5 = 34 + 10 cap holds at min salary ~5-6 mil = 39 mil. That leaves about 21 mil in space assuming a 60 mil cap.

Yes, you can sign a max player with that space. But I doubt seriously Kobe is going to take what amounts to the full MLE while you sign _____ to a max contract.

Of course, Howard could walk. In that case, you're set. You're just super old and have no players or future.

[ak7]

Dwights number in his second season will be abt 24 mil--not 21. A little less than 21 mil will be his 1st season. Add Nash at 9.7 plus cap holds and you're looking at 24 + 9.5 = 34 + 10 cap holds at min salary ~5-6 mil = 39 mil. That leaves about 21 mil in space assuming a 60 mil cap.

Yes, you can sign a max player with that space. But I doubt seriously Kobe is going to take what amounts to the full MLE while you sign _____ to a max contract.

Of course, Howard could walk. In that case, you're set. You're just super old and have no players or future.

His second season will not be 24 million, you might want to do that math again. In fact he will not make 24 million until his 4th season into the contract.

[Leto]

^ You're right.

[mcfly1204]

Cleveland will send LA Speights, and will just absorb the rest of Gasol's salary.

Irving/Livingston (resigned)
Waiters/Ellington
draft (Porter)/Gee
Thompson/Varejao
Gasol/Zeller

Playoffs.

[GeorgeDillion]

I think most GM's would rather wait for the Lakers to let him go and then bid for him. It sure as hell wont cost $20 mil to get Gasol then, and they wouldnt have to deal with the Lakers.

Metta is the most likely amnesty candidate so Pau won't be bid on. He's still a valuable commodity in a trade to a team that's under the cap. Starting next year teams have to use 90% of the cap, teams have three options.

1. Sign a ton of players you don't want to reach this limit. But how many players want to sign one year deals?

2. If a team doesn't meet its minimum payroll it is surcharged at the end of the season for the shortfall. That money is distributed among the players on that team.

3. Trade for expiring contracts that don't put a damper on your future free agent possibilities.

Pau would fall under #3, so it's reasonable to say that he can be traded.

[Fido]

Why would LA add a sweetener when they are giving up a 19 million expiring?

I think the important question here is if the Lakers are comfortable dipping into the enhanced luxury tax for 2013-14 with the team they will have. The Lakers were well into the luxury tax this year at nearly $100m in salaries (the threshold was about $70.3m). Starting next season the enhanced penalties kick so instead of dollar for dollar cost it would be 1.5 to 3.25 x amount over the luxury tax (depending on the amount over) or if the team has been over 4 of the last 5 years it would be 2.5 to 4.25 x amount over the luxury tax. Currently with Kobe, Pau, Nash, MWP (assuming he picks up his option), Blake, Duhon, Hill, and Meeks (team option), salaries are at $79.7 mill--which is already over the luxury tax with just those 8 players. Dumping someone like Pau would put the Lakers under the luxury tax with some room to begin rebuilding. I don't know that the Lakers are going to take the save-money stance for next year with Kobe hurt--but the question is worth asking.

[giberish]

^ because you're getting pure cap space in return.

It doesn't work that way. Nor would LA do a deal like that. They don't care about "pure cap space," or Pau would have been gone 2 trade deadlines ago. If they dont amnesty him (which they won't), they'd rather let his contract expire at the end of next season when they plan on being active in free agency. I don't think people on this forum understand that.

In case you don't understand that... Pau is more of an asset to their situation and their 2014 plan than what another team is willing to give up value wise (or should I say what this crowd depicts to be his value).

The Lakers will be paying 300-400% in luxury tax bills on Pau's salary next year. The certainly will care about getting immediate salary relief (this year they were only paying 100%, a far milder penalty). It's also really tough to justify that level of luxury tax hit for a team that's not a title contender (as they thought they were this year).

Pau isn't an asset to the 2014 plan either - you don't get cap space on how big your EC were, but on how much salary you have on the books. The 2014 plan just limits the contracts the Lakers can take back. The 2014 plan also means that Artest will get amnestied (to take his 2014 salary off the books) rather than Pau.

[magic wand time]

All very good points and exemplifies the amnesty Kobe, trade Pau argument. Only one way to dig out of the immediate tax hell and 80 mil hole to not be a repeat offender.

[Leto]

I think the first thing the Lakers will do--IF they sign Howard--is to amnesty Metta. After that, they'll look to trade Gasol. That gives them a little more leverage since they won't have to dump as much salary in trading Gasol. Instead, if they can just cut a little more off of Gasol's 20 mil that should keep them under the 20 million OVER the lux tax penalties. IOW, if the lux tax is set at, say, 72 mil, I'd say the Lakers will want to get to about 92 or less. That puts them paying about 130 mil in total for salaries and taxes. That is exactly what they're paying now so its reasonable to assume they'd do it again next season. Amnesty Metta after signing Howard and the Lakers would be about 93-94 mil in salary. Shave off a few more mil in a Gasol trade while spreading his contract over 2 or 3 journeyman players should be their goal in any Gasol trade.

HOWEVER, it should be noted that its likely they will have to take on longer term contracts if they go this route. So, their "2014 plan" is out the window. Nevertheless, I think that's the best path the Lakers can take.

[DreamShakeFTW]

If Howard is signed to a max deal this offseason, his 2014 number will be roughly 21 million, Nash will be on his final year at roughly 9.7 mil. That leaves roughly 28-29 million (with a 60 mill ish cap) to offer someone a max deal which will come first before Kobe (especially if Kobe isn't willing to take a smaller contract - which he has stated in the past he would, and thats even if he doesn't retire after next season if his rehab and comeback go south).

You have cap holds for open roster spots and for just expired contracts, unless you denounce those rights.

If I understand correctly, the Lakers would have to renounce Kobe's rights, making him an unrestricted FA and unavailable to be re-signed by them.