NBA Games Discussion Thread

[miller31time]

Man, Golden State did absolutely everything in their power to give this game to Denver. Those last 3 minutes were just brutal from a Warriors standpoint.

Should be a really entertaining 2nd round between GSW and the Spurs. Very old school / new school.

[nuposse04]

Spurs will prolly end it in 5. Green will prolly be tasked with trying to stay with Curry. Bogut won't be able to get away with his meh D against Timmy. Denver's bigs are aweful and Faried gets destroyed by size. I don't think he's a starting caliber 4 on a contender. He needs a jumpshot too, why go small if you can't stretch the floor.

[Rafael122]

Is anyone really surprised a George Karl led team stunk it up in the playoffs?

[nate33]

Is anyone really surprised a George Karl led team stunk it up in the playoffs?

This happens all the time with Denver. They're extremely deep and they play at high altitude, so they just run teams out of the gym in the regular season, inflating their win totals. But in the postseason, teams get rest between games. You don't need to go 10 deep. 7 deep is fine. And Denver's top 7 isn't any better than the top 7 of most playoff teams.

Depth is for suckers. You need 2 or 3 stars and 3 or 4 good role players. That's it. Just survive the regular season healthy and you've got a chance.

[sfam]

The Wizards could use a player with Andray's skillset. Blatche never had teammates who defend like Okafor, Nene or Ariza. He played for Flip and EJ when Wall was still less-than-good.

Zeller could do a fair Best-A-Blatche impersonation with markedly less probability of involvement with lap dance Tuesdays.

Common now, don't cut Zeller short. Just because he's workin for a Frankenstein hairdo look doesn't mean he can't rock the lap dance.

[sfam]

No point.

George Karl blew it not adjusting to Draymond Green with Bogut. Karl had Chandler at PF and the result was GS attacked McGee sending Green to the rim and Bogut.


Mark Jackson deserves kudos for some fine coaching. Also, the Warriors have a young team that is only going to get better.

Agreed. Mark Jackson's star rose significantly in that series. He flat out outcoached Karl, and it showed on the court.

[FAH1223]

Nene is a flat out better player than Javale. Javale is a borderline mentally handicapped individual.

Nene is owed $39 million and his game is in rapid decline due to a chronic physical impairment which causes him to miss games at times. Also, he is on the wrong side of 30. He is flat better than Javale when healthy, but how often is that?

McGee is young, healthy, and indeed has a better, more moveable contract than Nene's.

All I posted was McGee's skills off the bench would be better than Kevin's, but since you guys want to go there deal with Nene's worth and health every time you hate on McGee.

Nene lost his athleticism a while ago... before he even got here he wasn't the same guy in his youth but he was insanely efficient his last few years in Denver and even with us at the end of 2011-2012 and the beginning of this season.

I don't think its Nene's game that is in decline, he just is injury prone as hell. But his game is light years ahead of JaVale's even with Nene on one leg and one arm as he was playing all season. The basketball IQ of the team rises with his precense on the court and it helps the team.

JaVale hustles and he plays with a lot of energy and heart. He also finishes at the rim and has developed some moves down low but his IQ is still low and his defensive abilities are very suspect even still. I'm not surprised Koufos got PT ahead of him.

Denver lost this series because of George Karl's coaching. Dumb, dumb lineups with Wilson Chandler at the 5 vs. Bogut early in this series. I thought last night he finally went big and had JaVale and Faried out together which was great because they got tons of offensive rebounds. They just couldn't get the layups to fall.

[sfam]

Nene is a flat out better player than Javale. Javale is a borderline mentally handicapped individual.

Nene is owed $39 million and his game is in rapid decline due to a chronic physical impairment which causes him to miss games at times. Also, he is on the wrong side of 30. He is flat better than Javale when healthy, but how often is that?

McGee is young, healthy, and indeed has a better, more moveable contract than Nene's.

All I posted was McGee's skills off the bench would be better than Kevin's, but since you guys want to go there deal with Nene's worth and health every time you hate on McGee.

Nene didn't have a break last offseason. Planter fasciitis (which I just recovered from) can easily heal in 2-3 months if you treat it right. Nene could easily come back healthy and ready to go. If so, we may want to keep him, as he adds a ton to this team. But if not, all these trade scenarios people have been throwing out start to make sense midway through the season.

[dobrojim]

I wouldn't give Mark Jackson quite as much credit as some here seem
to be doing. It was Curry hitting insanely deep shots among other things
that sunk DEN. Jackson did a commendable job but he didn't play a minute.

trading the 5th pick for Miller and Foye looks worse and worse all the time.
Of course one contingency messes up a bunch of others. What if, what if.

edit to add - I think Jarret Jack played much better than I would have
thought possible. He was playing solid, winning basketball...hitting shots.
I never thought he was horrible or anything but never thought he was
that great either. He had a very nice series.

[dobrojim]

I stand by my opinion that McGee is a considerable obstruction
to winning basketball which is incredibly ironic/paradoxical.
He does have mad skills. He simply has no idea how to play.

I'll take Nene 7 days a week and 2x on Sunday.

[hands11]

The Wizards could use a player with Andray's skillset. Blatche never had teammates who defend like
Okafor, Nene or Ariza. He played for Flip and EJ when Wall was still less-than-good

The Wizards also could use McGee instead ofSeraphin in terms of what each provides off the bench.

I thought they should have held onto him at least for the first half of the year. Moving him when they did was expensive.

But as rough as they started the year, just imagine if Dray was here also. Sadly their options were limited by the way the boo birds acted.

Ifs and buts. What happened happened. All they can do is move forward.

[hands11]

I said nothing about contracts, but I will say McGee's trade value and contract status is better than Nene's.

I don't agree.

Nene is a better value to a team like the Wizards who already has two other young stars.

I have little doubt Nene doesn't return healthy next year so 13M next year will be a good value for him.

And even while injured, Nene was a better value for this team at 13M this year then McGee would have been at 10M. It isn't just about stats. Nene brought so much more then that to this team.

All that said, in 2 more years, McGee may look like a Birdman or Tyson Chandler type. By then he will be 27/28. I think that is how long its going to take him and by then, he will be a valuable player on the court. I think McGee will have a good career from 27/28 to 31/32

[pancakes3]

Blatche would have only added to the logjam we have at PF/C. Logjam is a polite term. It's more of a backed up toilet.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I would like to see OKC go with a lineup of Durant, Martin, Thabo, Ibaka and Collison. Somebody is going to have a HUGE height mismatch and the rest of them can shoot respectably well from outside to make double teaming difficult. Just post up whomever has the height advantage.

I'd like to see Durant slide to PF. The problem with the Thunder is that they're both incredibly thin, and while they have a decent complement of size, they can only use that size to defend opposing bigs because they can't score. Against a team that doesn't play multiple talented offensive bigs, their size is pretty useless. I'd like to see them Bench Perkins for Martin. Asik isn't a tough check for Ibaka. Durant is much bigger and better than anybody the Rockets are playing at PF right now. Then play Sefolosha, Martin and Jackson. The problem with that strategy is that they don't have enough perimeter depth so if those guys can't play 40+ minutes each, they're toast. I don't know why Ronnie Brewer isn't playing at this point, but it's more than Westbrook being replaced by a terrible starter, it's some of Westbrook's minutes being eaten up by the likes of Deandre Liggins.

[queridiculo]

Holy crap is anybody watching that Knicks game? Knicks up 26 with 9 minutes left, Celtics go on a 17 to 0 run over the next 2:30 minutes and now Anthony is banged up with Boston having a chance to cut the lead to 5!!!!

[queridiculo]

Celtics are working on the greatest comeback in playoff history, heck NBA history. On a 19-0 run with two freethrows coming up.

[hands11]

But they couldn't pull if out.

Now the Celtics have some major decisions to make.

They can buy out PP for like 5M I think.

And they said KG has made like 300M already so if they are rebuilding, he will retire.

That would take 26M off their 73M number. That would get them down to 47M

They could just draft a player and tank for next draft and try to reload.

[hands11]

Glad to see MEM take down the LAC.

Thats another team that will likely look very different next year.

If CP3 leaves, Grant Hill retires. Barnes could leave. Same with Odom, Billups. Bulters not getting any younger.

They might not even make the playoff next year.

[FAH1223]

Glad to see MEM take down the LAC.

Thats another team that will likely look very different next year.

If CP3 leaves, Grant Hill retires. Barnes could leave. Same with Odom, Billups. Bulters not getting any younger.

They might not even make the playoff next year.

How ironic that CP3 gets ejected for tasting his own medicine.


And Memphis is set up pretty well. They're well under the luxury tax even with Gasol, ZBO and Conley making good cash. They can re-sign Allen and find a shooter and backup big this offseason to round out their rotation.

And I believe Memphis will beat OKC. They can throw a couple guys in Pondexter and Prince at Durant. Reggie Jackson and Derek Fisher cannot guard Conley or Bayless.

They key will be if ZBO and Gasol can win the matchup vs. Perkins and Ibaka.

[nate33]

I really hate Chris Paul. He's such a punk. It's a shame because he's a fabulous basketball player.