Trade Lin

JetLife · Post #21 » by **JetLife** » Sun May 5, 2013 8:28 am

MaxRider wrote:i don't know man
i rather have brooks and beverly

Same here. We would need to pick up a 3rd pg though because bev and AB are fairly small.

6_Rings · Post #22 » by **6_Rings** » Sun May 5, 2013 1:42 pm

Didnt watch the series, was he the reason you lost?

spolgar · Post #23 » by **spolgar** » Sun May 5, 2013 2:15 pm

We lost because they were the deeper and better team. Lin didn't cause us to lose this game on his own, especially with Delfino out, he had to play. He was just being a good solider. For a variey of reasons, we couldn't close out the first 2 close games, which was the most unfortunate because we had leads going into the final minutes. Youth had a great deal to do with it, and further more, we avoided our lack of personnel at the power forward position by playing small, which wouldn't have worked forever against a long team like Oklahoma all the time.

As per why we lost game 6, Reggie Jackson and Martin were due a big game. They stepped up considerably and our defense didn't match them. Our game plan was to push Durant to spots he doesn't like and make the other 4 guys beat us. And it worked, it was just unfortunate that our better defenders couldn't be on the floor as they were in foul trouble from guarding Durant. Beverly sat early with 2 fouls, and Brooks made some bad plays. With Lin's injury, he was extremely tentative on contact, which is problematic because that's 50% of his offensive game. He was fine on defense as far as staying in front of his guy for the most part, but he didn't really want to get physical. Lin was pretty ineffective and should've continued to sit if Delfino wasn't out. This was especially problematic because the point guard Match up was suppose to be to our advantage with Westbrook out. That and with Delfino out, we got hammered defensively at the 2 when Garcia had to cover Durant.

Harden has to shoulder a bit of blame too since his offensive counterpart lit him up, but the guy played with strep. I can't be mad really. Of our starting 5, we had a banged up point, a really sick (and shouldn't be at work) 2, with our 6th man out with a broken foot. Against a team that was already superior in talent (minorly) and experience (extremely), I'm surprised we did as well as we did. Budding rivalry and all that though. Should be interesting.

zapatasblood · Post #24 » by **zapatasblood** » Sun May 5, 2013 3:23 pm

NamelessHero wrote:lin is superstar in making...dont trade him except for a superstar

He's got jokes

6_Rings wrote:Didnt watch the series, was he the reason you lost?

No the Thunder were the better team

I just have not seen enough of a improvement from Lin to make me a believer. I was never for the signing

6_Rings · Post #25 » by **6_Rings** » Sun May 5, 2013 4:22 pm

spolgar wrote:We lost because they were the deeper and better team. Lin didn't cause us to lose this game on his own, especially with Delfino out, he had to play. He was just being a good solider. For a variey of reasons, we couldn't close out the first 2 close games, which was the most unfortunate because we had leads going into the final minutes. Youth had a great deal to do with it, and further more, we avoided our lack of personnel at the power forward position by playing small, which wouldn't have worked forever against a long team like Oklahoma all the time.

As per why we lost game 6, Reggie Jackson and Martin were due a big game. They stepped up considerably and our defense didn't match them. Our game plan was to push Durant to spots he doesn't like and make the other 4 guys beat us. And it worked, it was just unfortunate that our better defenders couldn't be on the floor as they were in foul trouble from guarding Durant. Beverly sat early with 2 fouls, and Brooks made some bad plays. With Lin's injury, he was extremely tentative on contact, which is problematic because that's 50% of his offensive game. He was fine on defense as far as staying in front of his guy for the most part, but he didn't really want to get physical. Lin was pretty ineffective and should've continued to sit if Delfino wasn't out. This was especially problematic because the point guard Match up was suppose to be to our advantage with Westbrook out. That and with Delfino out, we got hammered defensively at the 2 when Garcia had to cover Durant.

Harden has to shoulder a bit of blame too since his offensive counterpart lit him up, but the guy played with strep. I can't be mad really. Of our starting 5, we had a banged up point, a really sick (and shouldn't be at work) 2, with our 6th man out with a broken foot. Against a team that was already superior in talent (minorly) and experience (extremely), I'm surprised we did as well as we did. Budding rivalry and all that though. Should be interesting.

And1 bro thx. U guys should hv more patience with ur youth.

PhilDMonkey · Post #26 » by **PhilDMonkey** » Mon May 6, 2013 3:09 am

I love Beverly's energy, he does perfect on D and rebounds, but as a PG he runs the team offence terribly, rarely creat any easy buskets for teammates.

Lin clearly shows much higher ceilings than beverly, he can shoot, pass, drive, read game, run an offensive system, remember he is just 24, just give him a summer to improve.

madbucky · Post #27 » by **madbucky** » Mon May 6, 2013 8:57 pm

bogey_j wrote:Trade Lin

There is nothing wrong with wanting to trade Lin. I happen to agree that it's a good idea to trade for a non-ball-dominant PG who can be a better fit with Harden.

However, making a thread "Trade Lin" immediately after the Rockets lose the series is basically pinning all the blame on Lin. Sure, Lin had a forgetful playoffs. He stunk in game 1, but was having a good half in game 2, then after that he was ineffective due to the injury. Lin's performance was far from the main reason why the Rockets lost. For starters, how about Harden's 39% shooting and 4.5 TO/G in the playoffs?

Lin pretty much matched all his numbers from last year across the board (FG%, 3pt%, ft%, ppg, apg, spg, rpg), while decreasing his TOs. He is a streaky player, so maybe people just remember his bad moments. But seriously, look at his numbers and tell me how he is a worse player compared to last year? I'm not saying he doesn't have areas to improve, I'm just addressing the kneejerk "trade Lin", "he's the reason the Rockets didn't win the series" reactions.

13th Man · Post #28 » by **13th Man** » Tue May 7, 2013 12:30 am

madbucky wrote:
bogey_j wrote:Trade Lin

There is nothing wrong with wanting to trade Lin. I happen to agree that it's a good idea to trade for a non-ball-dominant PG who can be a better fit with Harden.

However, making a thread "Trade Lin" immediately after the Rockets lose the series is basically pinning all the blame on Lin. Sure, Lin had a forgetful playoffs. He stunk in game 1, but was having a good half in game 2, then after that he was ineffective due to the injury. Lin's performance was far from the main reason why the Rockets lost. For starters, how about Harden's 39% shooting and 4.5 TO/G in the playoffs?

Lin pretty much matched all his numbers from last year across the board (FG%, 3pt%, ft%, ppg, apg, spg, rpg), while decreasing his TOs. He is a streaky player, so maybe people just remember his bad moments. But seriously, look at his numbers and tell me how he is a worse player compared to last year? I'm not saying he doesn't have areas to improve, I'm just addressing the kneejerk "trade Lin", "he's the reason the Rockets didn't win the series" reactions.

Good post, I agree with everything here. I'm a Lin fan and think that he has more upside than Beverly or AB but I also question if Houston is the best fit for him and vice versa. Beverly seems to fit better for McHale's system and with Harden as well.

I'm not a blind "LOF" as they call it at Clutchfans and realize that Lin has played very inconsistently this year but I also attribute some of this to the coaches' lack of confidence instilled in him. It started when McHale was off and Sampson was benching Lin repeatly in 4th quarters in favor of Douglas. When McHale came back and Lin had his monster 38 pt. game vs the Spurs, rather than praising him McHale criticized him for trying to hit home runs along with an exagerrated 9 TOs (it was only 6 or 7). He basically discouraged this type of play from Lin, hinting that he's playing out of his element and role which the "home run" shots should only be taken by Harden. The 4th quarter benchings started multipling after that and I'm sure this takes a mental toll on a young player. People that have followed Lin through Linsanity knows that he plays his best when he has control of the ball, unfortunately this will never happen playing with Harden and under McHale.

So once again, Lin really has to improve his play this off-season and it starts with his shot. I think he needs a new shooting coach that can help decrease the arc on his shots, I can't stand his rainbow 3's they're like prayers waiting to be answered. He would hit some tough 3's but then miss the wide open ones due to the flaws in his mechanics. He also needs to improve his mental strength, some games he plays with confidence and others totally lost and scared.

Not sure which team he would fit best with right now or if any other team would take him on so his best bet would be to learn how to play alongside Harden or possibly as a 6th man as well in Houston.

texasholdem · Post #29 » by **texasholdem** » Tue May 7, 2013 1:11 pm

I highly doubt Lin will be traded before the Rockets travel to Manila and Taiwan in October. Lin to the Lakers makes the most sense. He can learn from Nash and will be under Dantonis system again.

Mr. E · Post #30 » by **Mr. E** » Wed May 8, 2013 12:57 am

texasholdem wrote:I highly doubt Lin will be traded before the Rockets travel to Manila and Taiwan in October. Lin to the Lakers makes the most sense. He can learn from Nash and will be under Dantonis system again.

The problem is that unless you're talking about a Dwight S&T (which I don't think will happen) the Lakers don't have anything that the Rockets would want.

Guy986 · Post #31 » by **Guy986** » Wed May 8, 2013 2:59 am

Pau Gasol has a one year expiring deal. Just saying.

MaxRider · Post #32 » by **MaxRider** » Wed May 8, 2013 4:03 am

Guy986 wrote:Pau Gasol has a one year expiring deal. Just saying.

he doesn't want to be here

IMAN5 · Post #33 » by **IMAN5** » Mon May 27, 2013 3:22 pm

You guys overpaid Lin, but you gotta do what you gotta do to bring excitement to the city. But then when the shocking Harden deal went down, it was apparent Lin wouldn't be a good fit and that those 2 have been forcing it together.

MaxRider · Post #34 » by **MaxRider** » Mon May 27, 2013 6:59 pm

IMAN5 wrote:You guys overpaid Lin, but you gotta do what you gotta do to bring excitement to the city. But then when the shocking Harden deal went down, it was apparent Lin wouldn't be a good fit and that those 2 have been forcing it together.

overpaid for what? the owner got all those money back he paid Lin through advertisement already

three2theD · Post #35 » by **three2theD** » Tue May 28, 2013 12:34 am

Lin is not an asset. His contract makes him a liability. No one would give you anything of value for him.

moofs · Post #36 » by **moofs** » Tue May 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Nah, his contract is pretty fair. It's maybe not outstanding, but it's not bad.

IMAN5 · Post #37 » by **IMAN5** » Tue May 28, 2013 2:56 pm

MaxRider wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:You guys overpaid Lin, but you gotta do what you gotta do to bring excitement to the city. But then when the shocking Harden deal went down, it was apparent Lin wouldn't be a good fit and that those 2 have been forcing it together.

overpaid for what? the owner got all those money back he paid Lin through advertisement already

Even if you break even, or even make a small profit, doesn't change that Lin was overpaid.

MaxRider · Post #38 » by **MaxRider** » Tue May 28, 2013 3:32 pm

IMAN5 wrote:
MaxRider wrote:
IMAN5 wrote:You guys overpaid Lin, but you gotta do what you gotta do to bring excitement to the city. But then when the shocking Harden deal went down, it was apparent Lin wouldn't be a good fit and that those 2 have been forcing it together.

overpaid for what? the owner got all those money back he paid Lin through advertisement already

Even if you break even, or even make a small profit, doesn't change that Lin was overpaid.

he's not overpaid, that's his market value, Morey never overpaid a player
if NYK matched then he's overpaid because NYK has to pay luxury tax

moofs · Post #39 » by **moofs** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:09 pm

Max, I clicked here to see your post, but it opened to page 1. For a second, I thought spolgar's rant was by you.

Which is kinda like showing up to a AC/DC concert and getting an earful of Rachmaninoff. Your somewhat different new style of writing was a little jarring.

MaxRider · Post #40 » by **MaxRider** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:24 pm

moofs wrote:Max, I clicked here to see your post, but it opened to page 1. For a second, I thought spolgar's rant was by you.

Which is kinda like showing up to a AC/DC concert and getting an earful of Rachmaninoff. Your somewhat different new style of writing was a little jarring.

it depend who i'm response it to :evil:

and typing on my pc or ipad :lol: