Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing

[GhostsOfGil]

Ji, you read this yet?
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/04/ern ... ds+Blog%29

Carful, your head might explode.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ji, you read this yet?
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/04/ern ... ds+Blog%29

Carful, your head might explode.

Thanks for the warning, GOG!

EG's best was 20 years ago in NY. The Buck peaked around 2000. Other than signing Gil and trading for Butler, he's been nothing special. If I owned this team I would definitely not renew his deal. I actually would fire Ernie before this draft. I would hire Troy Weaver and tell him who I like if Randy falters this season, Dave Joerger.

These are easily smart moves if winning is more important than cronyism.

[hands11]

I have been a little worried about this draft with EG at the wheel as well. Its not the #1 with Wall or even the #3 with Beal sitting there. I actually give them some credit for taking Beal. There were other options and they got it right.

But here is a new thought that is giving me some comfort. I don't think EG is going to have as much pull as he might have in the past. Its the last year of his contract and this is their last good chance to get a top 8 pick for a while. Ves at 6 was clearly a mistake.

That said, here is the flip side of that. Who else would have a strong voice ? Randy is also on a one year. I think Don Newman is respected so I think what he says will matter. But Randy on a one year or not, he has a strong personality... I think he will chime in plenty. Its just who he is.

Not sure exactly how it goes down internally but something tells me all things considered, EGs pull won't be as strong this year. I see him more in the role of executing the process and keeping up with what is available, etc.

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

[TGW]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

[Ruzious]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

I can't disagree with any of that - particularly the bolded part. Clean house, and hire someone good at his job. It seems to have worked for the Skins and Orioles.

[Knighthonor]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

That sig real?

[montestewart]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

That sig real?

Of course the sig's real. You saw it with your own eyes, didn't you? The quote is likewise real:
http://tedstake.monumentalnetwork.com/2 ... /index.jsp

[fishercob]

Draymond Green played 38 minutes of playoff basketball last night. But we didn't need any depth, so we took Satoransky.

[nate33]

Draymond Green played 38 minutes of playoff basketball last night. But we didn't need any depth, so we took Satoransky.

I'm never reluctant to take an opportunity to bash EG, but I'm not sure if this is a fair criticism. Green was one of the worst players in the league this year.

There were 263 players in the league who totaled 1000 minutes or more. Of those 263 players, Green ranked 261st in PER. His PER was 7.1. His ORtg was 87. And I haven't watched him much, but I'm going to assume he was a lackluster defender given that he is undersized at the PF position.

[closg00]

I didn't see the GSW game last night and I haven't seen Green at-all this season. However, he grabbed 7 rebounds and scored 10 points. You can't ask much more from a 35th pick role-player in his rookie season. I see Green is listed at the SF postion.

[Nivek]

Draymond Green played 38 minutes of playoff basketball last night. But we didn't need any depth, so we took Satoransky.

I'm never reluctant to take an opportunity to bash EG, but I'm not sure if this is a fair criticism. Green was one of the worst players in the league this year.

There were 263 players in the league who totaled 1000 minutes or more. Of those 263 players, Green ranked 261st in PER. His PER was 7.1. His ORtg was 87. And I haven't watched him much, but I'm going to assume he was a lackluster defender given that he is undersized at the PF position.

Just to pile on, Green was just as bad in my stuff, which includes defense. Of the 349 players who received at least 500 minutes of playing time, he was 343rd in PPA -- right between Jan Vesely and Kevin Seraphin.

[hands11]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

So your position is to let EG have 100% control without input from any of those people.

Mark me down is thinking that would be a really bad idea.

[closg00]

Ji, you read this yet?
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/04/ern ... ds+Blog%29

Carful, your head might explode.

Kudos to TAI, that was an excellent article.

[TGW]

I think Ted, Randy and Don will have more pull this year.

And that's a good thing because...?

Ted admittedly knows little about basketball.

Whitman is a career loser as a coach, and was promoted to stopgap head coach as an assistant.

Don Newman credentials are that of a career assistant coach. Any say he has in who they draft should be in a very limited capacity.

I don't see any reason to believe that this particular braintrust is any more qualified than Grunfeld to make decisions regarding personnel. I actually would argue that Grunfeld is more qualified than those 3 put together...Grunfeld has more experience than all 3 combined. That's not saying much, but it is what it is. I don't want Ted having any say in anything to be honest...keep out of it and let the "basketball people" do their thing. I sure as hell don't want anyone who made the statement in my signature making any basketball related decisions.

So your position is to let EG have 100% control without input from any of those people.

Mark me down is thinking that would be a really bad idea.

That's not what I said, although that's a reasonable response. I'd prefer that none of those persons (alone or in combination) are the ones making the pick on draft night...I was just making the point that Grunfeld is the most qualified to make that decision out of the four, and that the added feedback/opinions of Ted, Nelson, and/or Whitman give me no comfort in knowing that the right choice will be made, if that makes sense.

[LyricalRico]

Ji, you read this yet?
http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/04/ern ... ds+Blog%29

Carful, your head might explode.

Kudos to TAI, that was an excellent article.

Decent, probably better than I was expecting. They didn't fully explore EFJ's prominent role in the defensive issues during the Big Three era, though. And they definitely should have spent more time on the current Wizards situation, including the options they have going forward.

[fishercob]

Draymond Green played 38 minutes of playoff basketball last night. But we didn't need any depth, so we took Satoransky.

I'm never reluctant to take an opportunity to bash EG, but I'm not sure if this is a fair criticism. Green was one of the worst players in the league this year.

There were 263 players in the league who totaled 1000 minutes or more. Of those 263 players, Green ranked 261st in PER. His PER was 7.1. His ORtg was 87. And I haven't watched him much, but I'm going to assume he was a lackluster defender given that he is undersized at the PF position.

Just to pile on, Green was just as bad in my stuff, which includes defense. Of the 349 players who received at least 500 minutes of playing time, he was 343rd in PPA -- right between Jan Vesely and Kevin Seraphin.

All that may be the case, but he's helping them in the playoffs. Sample may be tiny, but I'll take an ORtg of 127 in 20 minutes a game from a rookie.

[Nivek]

No question Green is helping in the playoffs. The point merely is that it's a complete reversal of his regular season performance. He wouldn't have provided much depth for the Wizards -- he was just as bad this season as Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin.

[nuposse04]

I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

[montestewart]

I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

Maybe the process of persuading Rubio to come over to play for the Wolves and helping him get out of his contract created a bond closer than most player-GM relationships.

[verbal8]

I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

I wonder if Kahn having a close relationship with Rubio kept him in the job longer and possibly his differences with Love got him fired.