Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

[Greenraida]

Chi lose the series 4-2 imo, would like to see them take the series with a D Rose return.

On the deals, I have long thought of the Humphries deal, maybe we could take back Wallace and flip them Davis for the defensive 4 and get a 2014 pick in return? Wallace of course could be/is expendable. The trick would be then to find him a suitor is sit him because we don't want him stunting the young guys growth

Wallaces contract is right up there with worst of the league, we dont want anything to do with it.

[TheMagicOne]

Would it be too much to have a thread for each of our tradable players?

I was thinking that for example Hedo and his contract has a thousand possibilities as far as trade value goes. Does anyone thing a thread for each is ok, or just too much clutter?

[TheMagicOne]

I am sold on Trey Burke for a few reasons...

#1 this is feeling like the draft where everyone over looked Chirs Paul and Derron WIlliams because of the Size/Skill of Bogut and Raw talent of Marvin Williams.

I would much rather draft a PG this year and groom Harris to play at both Forward positions. It takes longer for a PG to develop than any other position player in the league. It is why Bledsoe will probably get over paid next season before he is ever really able to show what true PG skills he will eventually have/develop.

At the very least you know with Burke you are getting the production from what we get from Nelson. If Nelson could put together one more years like he did this season and stay healthy, he would be a PRIME trade deadline candidate to a playoff team looking for a vet PG. Not to mention his contract has a team option so it is very cap friendly to teams looking for what he brings. If we can move Nelson by the deadline, that should be just enough time for Burke to get his feet wet and ready to be a starter in the NBA and then let the true learning begin.

BTW speaking of the Bogut/Williams draft class... Go look at the second round, there are just as many NBA players that have stuck around and have had or are having good careers than there was drafted in the first round. With the exception of a couple superstar PG's in Paul and Williams, the draft was filled with good rotation players. I mean Gortat was drafted almost at the very end of the second round!!!

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Lets brake down what this clown says..."The magic could even come at the Lakers as well who could really use the cap relief if they want to keep Dwight and sign a FA." Ok this is absolutely 100% impossible. Why??? Well for starters Kobe make $30 million and Dwight would sign MAX deal at $20 million. The cap is going to be $60 million give or take a million or two. Then they have Gasol, Duhon, Nash, Blake and Artest all locked in to deals for next season. You can only use the TPE on ONE. Player and Gasol's contract is too big for the TPE. Not to mention the Lakers cannot trade their 2014 pick until they satisfy he two picks the owe the Suns fromthe Nash trade."Rob sees where the TPE can be used to help a team get under the cap to complete a trade..."Ok this guy shows his stupidity... You DO NOT have to be UNDER the cap to complete a trade. The TPE WOULD BEST BE USED WITH A TEAM LIKE DALLAS. Who want to clear off all contracts they can to bring in two max free agents.Who've TrueBlue is...well he is an idiot when it comes to knowledge of the cap, trades and how to use a TPE. Probably just an excited fan wanting to get this offseason started.

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Adonis, is that you???

[Smooth_E]

I am sold on Trey Burke for a few reasons...

#1 this is feeling like the draft where everyone over looked Chirs Paul and Derron WIlliams because of the Size/Skill of Bogut and Raw talent of Marvin Williams.

I would much rather draft a PG this year and groom Harris to play at both Forward positions. It takes longer for a PG to develop than any other position player in the league. It is why Bledsoe will probably get over paid next season before he is ever really able to show what true PG skills he will eventually have/develop.

At the very least you know with Burke you are getting the production from what we get from Nelson. If Nelson could put together one more years like he did this season and stay healthy, he would be a PRIME trade deadline candidate to a playoff team looking for a vet PG. Not to mention his contract has a team option so it is very cap friendly to teams looking for what he brings. If we can move Nelson by the deadline, that should be just enough time for Burke to get his feet wet and ready to be a starter in the NBA and then let the true learning begin.

BTW speaking of the Bogut/Williams draft class... Go look at the second round, there are just as many NBA players that have stuck around and have had or are having good careers than there was drafted in the first round. With the exception of a couple superstar PG's in Paul and Williams, the draft was filled with good rotation players. I mean Gortat was drafted almost at the very end of the second round!!!

Exactly, bingo. I share these same feelings.

You don't have to tell Trey Burke to play hard. You don't have to tell him to work hard to improve. Most importantly, you don't have to tell him to act as a winner because he is of the highest class/character you would want from a point guard prospect.

High character, young, fierce competitor, hard working, clutch performer, fearless player, huge heart, winners mentality. If defense is his biggest problem, I don't see how he couldn't improve. This guy is a first pick in my opinion.

[glennathan]

Looking at the top spenders in the league....Brooklyn is amongst the top three....locked in at over 76 million dollars invested into 5 players. After an early exit this year....i'm sure they will be willing to shed some cash. of the 5 players.....Kris Humpries is making 12 million dollars guaranteed. We can flip them turk and his comparable salary to them...subsequently being waived...relieving them of 6 million in debt and the added luxury tax....for Kris humphies and their 22nd pick. His expiring contract can also become an asset by the trade deadline as well or we can just wait out his contract...while he will still be a much more serviceable player than turk.

I would happily do this trade with Brooklyn simply because it gets us another draft pick and we are rid of Turkoglu.

I doubt that if Hennigan pulled the trigger on Humphries he would trade him at the deadline because of his trying to free up salary cap space for 2014 & 2015.

[tranjSAIC]

[This guy is a first pick in my opinion.

Dear god I'm glad your not the GM, while I don't really want us to draft Burke I would be OK with it if we had a pick in the 7-15 range. If he is drafted any higher than that the team is going to be sorry they spent such a high pick on a role player. For god sake the had trouble beating guys off the dribble in college, what do you think is going to happen in the pros?

Burke = Slightly better Jameer

I rather gamble on potential then take him that high. I bet he is going to put up pretty good numbers this year as well, but I'm thinking long term not just right now.

[trebone]

I^^ I would say Burkes ceiling is Jameer, remember Meer was an allstar


If Burke could make on AS game I would be very surprised, he will more than likely end up as a Felton/DJ Augustine NBA player

[KillMonger]

Burke will probably be a much better passer than meer ever was so him being a better version of meer isn't bad at all even though I think it's not the best comparison

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[InFlames]

Burke is already much better than Jameer was at the same age. Burke is just as good of a scorer if not better, and a much much better passer with better court vision. Even if you think his ceiling is Jameer, (I don't) he will at least be a better passing/playmaking Jameer. That sounds okay to me.

[KingRobb02]

Chi lose the series 4-2 imo, would like to see them take the series with a D Rose return.

On the deals, I have long thought of the Humphries deal, maybe we could take back Wallace and flip them Davis for the defensive 4 and get a 2014 pick in return? Wallace of course could be/is expendable. The trick would be then to find him a suitor is sit him because we don't want him stunting the young guys growth

Wallaces contract is right up there with worst of the league, we dont want anything to do with it.

If it was possible to trade Wallace, I'm sure the Nets would do it themselves.

[Optimus_Steel]

Burke is already much better than Jameer was at the same age. Burke is just as good of a scorer if not better, and a much much better passer with better court vision. Even if you think his ceiling is Jameer, (I don't) he will at least be a better passing/playmaking Jameer. That sounds okay to me.

I agree. He is much a better playmaker already and is a good scorer.

[BadMofoPimp]

Most top 5 picks never become all-stars. If Burke can at the very least match Meer at his peak, then it is a no brainer pick because Meer has been an all-star and played at the All-Star level.

[RYgoBOOM]

[This guy is a first pick in my opinion.

Dear god I'm glad your not the GM, while I don't really want us to draft Burke I would be OK with it if we had a pick in the 7-15 range. If he is drafted any higher than that the team is going to be sorry they spent such a high pick on a role player. For god sake the had trouble beating guys off the dribble in college, what do you think is going to happen in the pros?

Burke = Slightly better Jameer

I rather gamble on potential then take him that high. I bet he is going to put up pretty good numbers this year as well, but I'm thinking long term not just right now.

I love these little "OMG BURKE BARELY BEATS COLLEGE PLAYERS OFF THE DRIBBLE" rants lol.

I watched over 10 games and every game in the tourney that michigan played and I NEVER saw him struggle doing what he wanted WHEN he wanted. Where do you guys draw this damn conclusion from? And don't say you read it somewhere..........

**** is getting old TBH. He is shifty/crafty with his handles, keeps guys on his hip, has a nasty crossover and even nastier hesitation dribble?


I can't wait till the combine so you guys that are on the antiburke bandwagon can get a swift reality check. Burke will be better than Jameer and that IS saying a ton IMO. Jameer without injuries was and would have been an even better player.


Hatas gonna hate!

[BadMofoPimp]

Meer and Burke would make for a nice PG tandem!

[Def Swami]

Draft combine is next week. We'll get more answers then.

[Smooth_E]

[This guy is a first pick in my opinion.

Dear god I'm glad your not the GM, while I don't really want us to draft Burke I would be OK with it if we had a pick in the 7-15 range. If he is drafted any higher than that the team is going to be sorry they spent such a high pick on a role player. For god sake the had trouble beating guys off the dribble in college, what do you think is going to happen in the pros?

Burke = Slightly better Jameer

I rather gamble on potential then take him that high.

Lol! I'm glad YOU'RE not the GM, you don't even have proper spelling or grammar! Btw, what star player do you see in this year's draft? They're all role players, you dunce. Burke is a leader, one thing that I can guarantee you that neither McLemore, Noel, Oladipo nor Zeller are. He's the only one who literally and mentally showed up in the tournament. I don't know who you're watching brother.

Had trouble beating players off the dribble? Did you even watch the championship game? I'm not sure if you're serious or whether or not to take you seriously because you seem very misinformed and more delusional than anything else. Potential? Who has more potential? Noel and his questionable knees?

Then you say "Slightly better than Jameer"? But he can't beat people of the dribble? Lol!

Then you end it with this contradiction:
"I bet he is going to put up pretty good numbers [this year] as well, but I'm thinking [long term not just right now]."


Please, just delete your account. We already have to worry about that idiot in North Korea today.

[Def Swami]

Orlando Magic rumor: Orlando had "heart set" on Marcus Smart in 2013 NBA Draft

The Orlando Magic continue to prepare for the 2013 NBA Draft, which is set for June 27th. In his latest mock draft for ESPN Insider, Chad Ford pegs Orlando to select Kentucky center Nerlens Noel with the top overall pick, but Noel may not be the highest player on Orlando's board.

More NBA Draft coverage: Orlando Pinstriped Post SB Nation
"According to sources, Orlando had its heart set on Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart," Ford says, "until he broke its heart when he decided to stay in college." Further complicating Orlando's options if it wins the first overall pick is that Noel, the consensus top prospect in the class, won't address the team's need for a young point guard. If the Magic prefer to go with a point guard, Michigan's Trey Burke is an option for Orlando, Ford says.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... rcus-smart

[BadMofoPimp]

If Burke is slightly better than Meer, then that is bordering All-Star level.

FYI, a player of that caliber taken with the first (5) picks is not a bad situation to be in.

[Kilgore Trout]

Orlando Magic rumor: Orlando had "heart set" on Marcus Smart in 2013 NBA Draft

The Orlando Magic continue to prepare for the 2013 NBA Draft, which is set for June 27th. In his latest mock draft for ESPN Insider, Chad Ford pegs Orlando to select Kentucky center Nerlens Noel with the top overall pick, but Noel may not be the highest player on Orlando's board.

More NBA Draft coverage: Orlando Pinstriped Post SB Nation
"According to sources, Orlando had its heart set on Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart," Ford says, "until he broke its heart when he decided to stay in college." Further complicating Orlando's options if it wins the first overall pick is that Noel, the consensus top prospect in the class, won't address the team's need for a young point guard. If the Magic prefer to go with a point guard, Michigan's Trey Burke is an option for Orlando, Ford says.

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/20 ... rcus-smart

Interesting.....I did think that picking Smart was looking like a Henny type move.

With all the talent in next years draft what kind of range do you guys think Marcus will be picked?