Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

[TheMagicOne]

Trade #1 I would do first...

Orlando trades Al Harrington & Glenn Davis
Brooklyn trades Kris Humphries & future first round pick (I don't care what year, but probably they would want to ship out the 2013 pick)

This trade is absolutely perfect for both teams. It saves Brooklyn $3.1 million in salary and at least $3.1 million in tax. And it gives the Nets a better starter than Humphries and makes the, deeper with Evans going back to the bench.

For Orlando it adds another pick and hopefully a g old rotation potential player. It also sheds the salary of BBD and frees up salary cap room next summer.

I like this trade, have you posted it on the Nets board or the Trade forum yet? I'm curious if they think it's fair for them as well.

Yep I posted it, and the Nets think I was tolling them...I actually thought the trade had more benefit for them than us. Lol hard to believe they think Humphries is worth anything more than a bag of crap...lol

[TheMagicOne]

Btw for those who care, if we fall all the way to the 4th pick, we shed $1.2 million in salary off the summer of 2014. That is the difference between what the #1 pick will make versus the #4 pick. Trade down to #10 and you save $2.5 mil difference.

[kasedafk_1]

Burke or bust!

I don't watch much college ball but did watch a lot of the Michigan games of the tourney and the only time I saw Burke struggle a little was with zone but who's doesn't? We need to draft this kid, he's a leader.

My dream line up for 2014

Burke
Harkless
Wiggins
Harris
Vooch!

NASTY!

[Smooth_E]

Burke or bust!

I don't watch much college ball but did watch a lot of the Michigan games of the tourney and the only time I saw Burke struggle a little was with zone but who's doesn't? We need to draft this kid, he's a leader.

My dream line up for 2014

Burke
Harkless
Wiggins
Harris
Vooch!

NASTY!

Bingo!

[tiderulz]

It has to be Burke unless Rob has a trade up his sleeve to get a PG in the mid 1st or a big. I'm not really into Mclemore because I feel like we are set (for the future) when it comes to scoring

How are we set with scoring?

I had the same question

[tiderulz]

For the future I feel we are. Harris can/will average 18-20ppg, Vucci 15ppg, Harkless 15ppg (IMO).

You take that 50, you think about Nicolson adding 10 maybe, the PG adding 10, whoever we draft SHOULD be 10, 2014 if we tank we are looking at another 20ppg, add in the bench+role players....

I think the foundation we have now covers us a little with the assumption that our cap and FA's will supplement the rest.

Do you agree?

except if you add another 20 ppg scorer, one of ones you have listed moves to the bench and you lose most of their points. And Nicholson is already "bench+role players".

We already saw they had issues scoring at the end of the year this year with the main players you have listed above.

[Skin]

Na bro, that's why I put for the future but text don't give tone so my bad should have made it clearer

I totally agree with your projection of Moe, and I think Harris will be consistent. 2014 is a massive draft for us, unless we get a top tier 2014 free agent. Only problem with that is I feel those guys are 2 years minimum ahead of our project in terms of compared to where our roster is at

I know he's a risk in his own way but I wish Steph never signed that deal, would have S&T for that guy if I had to lol, PG problem would be solved as well

Too much is made of a #1 scorer. Who's the #1 scorer on the Spurs? The future of the Magic will be balanced team ball for the most part. We're not gonna rely on 1 guy to break it down on isolation plays to generate our points.

If we get our guy Burke this year, then he's exactly the kind of PG to get everyone involved and still have his own impact. You're a much better basketball team when you can attack at all angles. Even better when you have a real leader with ice in his veins.

Burke or bust. Trey Burke will give this Magic team their new identity.

[Bensational]

Na bro, that's why I put for the future but text don't give tone so my bad should have made it clearer

I totally agree with your projection of Moe, and I think Harris will be consistent. 2014 is a massive draft for us, unless we get a top tier 2014 free agent. Only problem with that is I feel those guys are 2 years minimum ahead of our project in terms of compared to where our roster is at

I know he's a risk in his own way but I wish Steph never signed that deal, would have S&T for that guy if I had to lol, PG problem would be solved as well

Too much is made of a #1 scorer. Who's the #1 scorer on the Spurs? The future of the Magic will be balanced team ball for the most part. We're not gonna rely on 1 guy to break it down on isolation plays to generate our points.

If we get our guy Burke this year, then he's exactly the kind of PG to get everyone involved and still have his own impact. You're a much better basketball team when you can attack at all angles. Even better when you have a real leader with ice in his veins.

Burke or bust. Trey Burke will give this Magic team their new identity.

No, you're a much better basketball team when you've got an elite scorer who can take over a game. You're an elite team when you've got even more scorers behind them.

when the Spurs were winning championships, Duncan was their #1 scorer. Heat's #1 is LBJ. Thunder's #1 is Durant. Dallas' #1 is Dirk. Lakers #1 was Kobe. Boston's #1 was Pierce. Miami's #1 was Wade.

The difference is that those teams also had #1 caliber options for #2 and #3. But at the end of the game, the ball was always gonna end up in one of ther above mentioned player's hands.

[LC_Magic]

For the future I feel we are. Harris can/will average 18-20ppg, Vucci 15ppg, Harkless 15ppg (IMO).

You take that 50, you think about Nicolson adding 10 maybe, the PG adding 10, whoever we draft SHOULD be 10, 2014 if we tank we are looking at another 20ppg, add in the bench+role players....

I think the foundation we have now covers us a little with the assumption that our cap and FA's will supplement the rest.

Do you agree?

except if you add another 20 ppg scorer, one of ones you have listed moves to the bench and you lose most of their points. And Nicholson is already "bench+role players".

We already saw they had issues scoring at the end of the year this year with the main players you have listed above.

So you didn't get the "for the future" part either? Last season at the end of the season we were a team of rookies and 2nd year players, Next season they will improve, 2014-15 I don't think scoring will be an issue. Also there is no reason why we can't have someone coming off the bench scoring 10+ is there? I really hope we do if we intend to compete! Nicholson might start playing defence and earning a starting spot, Harris might becoming a 6th man, Harkless might become a 2. We don't know, all I was stating, and I believe I'm right, that scoring the basketball, in the future, won't be a problem with the foundation we laid down this season

[LC_Magic]

A number 1 scorer isn't the be all and end all, but you have to have an offensive leader and someone who is clutch. Duncan has come up big in the past, Billups in Detroit. As long as you have someone who can make the 'big shots' I think you can contend with balanced scoring.

[tranjSAIC]

Trade #1 I would do first...

Orlando trades Al Harrington & Glenn Davis
Brooklyn trades Kris Humphries & future first round pick (I don't care what year, but probably they would want to ship out the 2013 pick)

This trade is absolutely perfect for both teams. It saves Brooklyn $3.1 million in salary and at least $3.1 million in tax. And it gives the Nets a better starter than Humphries and makes the, deeper with Evans going back to the bench.

For Orlando it adds another pick and hopefully a g old rotation potential player. It also sheds the salary of BBD and frees up salary cap room next summer.

I like this trade, have you posted it on the Nets board or the Trade forum yet? I'm curious if they think it's fair for them as well.

Yep I posted it, and the Nets think I was tolling them...I actually thought the trade had more benefit for them than us. Lol hard to believe they think Humphries is worth anything more than a bag of crap...lol

I didn't see you post it, but I have been reading some Nets related threads. They think they can get a semi allstar in return, I highly doubt they get anything that good.

[Def Swami]

You can have balanced scoring, but you still need 2 or 3 guys who are really good and efficient at it to be a real contender. I think we have a team of players that can be good 2nd and 3rd option guy, but no one to be an elite scorer. As long as I've been watching basketball, I can't recall a team that has won a championship without an elite scorer. '04 Pistons maybe. Even among teams that appeared in the Finals, only the '02 and '03 Nets had a team without a primary scorer. Granted, Jason Kidd was having some MVP-caliber years.

[MagicTownBaller]

I'm just wondering, how much do you think our players will average next season? Here's my list,

Jameer Nelson (Plays about 57 games) - 12 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 7 APG, 1 SPG, and 0 BPG
Arron Afflalo (If we keep him, plays about 70 games) - 14 PPG, 5 RPG, 2 APG, 1 SPG, and 0 BPG
Maurice Harkless (Plays 80 games) - 12 PPG, 7 RPG, 1 APG, 2 SPG, and 1 BPG
Tobias Harris (Plays all 82 games) - 19 PPG, 9 RPG, 4 APG, 1.5 SPG, and 1.5 BPG
Nikola Vucevic (Plays 75 games) - 14 PPG, 13 RPG, 1.5 APG, 0.5 SPG, and 1.5 BPG

I don't wanna get into detail with the bench because I'm not sure who'll be here next year....

[InFlames]

Yep I posted it, and the Nets think I was tolling them...I actually thought the trade had more benefit for them than us. Lol hard to believe they think Humphries is worth anything more than a bag of crap...lol

Expirings are massively overrated on this forum for some reason. No chance at all that they get a semi all-star for him and Brooks.

[tiderulz]

Yep I posted it, and the Nets think I was tolling them...I actually thought the trade had more benefit for them than us. Lol hard to believe they think Humphries is worth anything more than a bag of crap...lol

Expirings are massively overrated on this forum for some reason. No chance at all that they get a semi all-star for him and Brooks.

ive mentioned this more than once too. People over value expirings. They can be great, when all the stars align and the circumstances are right. But what trade was made last year that benefited a team who moved an expiring?

[BadMofoPimp]

How many expiring contracts were actually traded each year?

[Noonskadoodle]

@DraftExpress
Benji Burke tells us via email he will represent his son Trey Burke as his NBA agent.

@DraftExpress
Benji Burke tells us he will open up a basketball division of his family's agency, Infinite Sports, which currently specializes in football.

[InFlames]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/8/43 ... chach-test

[mbn23]

Forget the trading for another pick idea. I say you make a solid selection in the top 5 then focus on shedding the vet and contracts to have max space next summer.

No need to take another pick on in this years draft when we have so many young talented players needing time to develop. I for one want to see what we can get out of Jones and Lamb. If we can develop them in to solid rotational guys, then that will only benefit us next summer.

If we can somehow trade Afflalo and Dvis for future picks, I would not care what year they are or what round as long as they are gone and not in the way of our young layers developing.

Shed our vet contracts and we walk in to next summer with NO contracts that can't be terminated except for our 2013 & 2014 picks. Just imagine that pitch Rob can make to any free agents... "Hey Lebron, I know you know that wade is pretty much washed up in a year or too with his injuries, so come to the Magic and you can sit with us in designing a team that fits exactly around you perfectly. A team that will grow and get better and better and be what you need for the long term."

Do I think we could sign LeBron? No I am realistic, but it could be a heck of a pitch and someone like LeBron might just listen to someone like Rob.

I agree, getting another pick in this years (weak) draft would be a mistake this year. Unless we get some gem that we can move for better pieces next year. I would not mind moving pieces to get 2 or more possible picks in next years draft. Preferably lotto picks and let Henny do his thing.

If we were able to get a 2nd 2014 pick, who would you want to take? If the 2nd pick was a top 15? top 10? or top 5?

[londoncollin]

Don't we have a second 2014 pick from the Dwight trade?