Magic fan question about Kris Humphries?

[TheMagicOne]

A peaceful question to Nets fans,

Would this be a good trade for the Nets?

Orlando trades Glenn "big baby" Davis & Al Harrington
Brooklyn trades Humphries and the rights to thief 2013 first round pick.

Harrington has a buyout for 50% of his contracts value so you would get a better player in Davis for Hump. Then y can choose what to do with Harrington. Harrington would be a nice piece for your bench. Or he could be a way to slash some tax and maybe add a different vet with the money saved.

[deepblueday]

thief 2013 first round pick indeed.

[TheMagicOne]

thief 2013 first round pick indeed.

Ok well how about a future pick in any round...

I was thinking that you are it looking for a young player y need to develop, but trying to add solid vets that will help compete for a championship???

Not to mention you pretty much got crap production from Humphries once he signed that fat deal. BBD is a better player and has a better contract. Harrington can help a playoff team. Seems like a great trade for both sides.

[Jersey Generals]

Not even close.

[TheMagicOne]

Ok well just thought I would ask. Good luck this offseason.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm not sure if this is straight trolling or total ineptitude lol? Maybe a strong combination platter.

[TheMagicOne]

In your own offseason thread your fans talk about getting rid of Humphries for anythingl not sure why he would have much value if any... But whatever, it was just a question.

In all honesty your team has much bigger proble,s than what they may or may not be able to get for Humphries.

[TheMagicOne]

Just so I can understand, can someone explain to me how this is not a good deal for the Nets?

Forget the tax implications because if you did not buy out Harrington it's a wash.

But a rookie is not getting any PT on your team. Humphries did not get much burn this year and I would doubt a new coach will change that. But considering you have very little depth behind Your starting SF & PF, plus if you lose Blatche you have no depth at Center either. Harrington is tall and can play all three of those position and was very productive when he came back from his injury.

[NyCeEvO]

Hey guys, he came here in peace. Treat him a bit better. We've been discussing the HBAP package for about 8 months now. This guy probably has no clue of our thinking/logic

To answer your question, the main reason why we wouldn't do it is because the most likely scenario is that we'd trade Hump's expiring contract to a team that wants get rid of a big salaried/overpaid player before the punitive luxury tax penalties kick in for the 2013-14 season.

Trading for Davis+Harrington doesn't help our overall talent pool and it wastes the attractiveness of a big expiring contract for a team trying to stay below the luxury tax apron.

For example, I could easily see the Bulls trade Boozer or the Wizards trade Nene for Hump because it takes away a big contract from their overall salary.

[TheMagicOne]

Hey guys, he came here in peace. Treat him a bit better. We've been discussing the HBAP package for about 8 months now. This guy probably has no clue of our thinking/logic

To answer your question, the main reason why we wouldn't do it is because the most likely scenario is that we'd trade Hump's expiring contract to a team that wants get rid of a big salaried/overpaid player before the punitive luxury tax penalties kick in for the 2013-14 season.

Trading for Davis+Harrington doesn't help our overall talent pool and it wastes the attractiveness of a big expiring contract for a team trying to stay below the luxury tax apron.

For example, I could easily see the Bulls trade Boozer or the Wizards trade Nene for Hump because it takes away a big contract from their overall salary.

Fair enough, I can see your logic. The only flaw I see with that logic is you are trying to hire a top flight coach. For any top flight coach to commit to the Nets you are going to have to pull off that trade this summer and not wait until the deadline. Yu also have to be certain that your owner is willing to pony up the hefty luxury bill once you make such a trade.

I cannot see Nene and Lopez playing well together, but I can see Boozer playing well next to Lopez.

It's a bit of a slippery slope though...

I am not sure any of those overpaid players you mentioned would get you the production you would get out of BBD and Harrington. Both Nene and Boozer have b even injury prone plus up and down careers... It's a heavy nut to put that kind of money in to those players when y are already overpaying Gerald Wallace.

Just a bit of a history lesson... You are acting like the New York Knicks when they thought by trading for overpaid players would get them to the promised land. You guys are close enough to remember the cap hell they were in for years because of this logic.

But if that is the logic your GM goes for I am sure teams will be lined up to take you up on the offer. Then be prepared to have a history of getting players past their prime and follow the legacy of the Knicks with...Larry Johnson, Alan Houston, Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury....etc etc...

[TheMagicOne]

For the record I believe BBD would give better stats than Boozer or Nene as he is a more passionate player and really gets after the ball moreso than Boozer or Nene.

[Jersey Generals]

Hey guys, he came here in peace.

The Spanish also came in peace.

[NyCeEvO]

1) I wholeheartedly disagree about the coaching situation having anything to do with the trade.

The coach is there to coach the players. That's it. If he doesn't like the addition of a new PF, too bad. That's what he gets paid for.

The only coach that really cares about the roster is P-Jax, which understandable.

Jerry Sloan was interviewed two days ago. Despite his fallout with D-Will, he said that before he signs with a team he wants to look at the roster BUT 2) if the Nets called him, he'd definitely listen.

He's basically giving a built-in excuse for rejecting bad teams by saying he'll have to look at the roster and yet without even looking at our roster in fine detail, he said that he'd definitely listen to us.

Top flight coaches love top flight jobs. Proky is willing to make any coach one of, if not the most, high paid coach in the league.

Coaches have only been rejecting bad teams and have been saying "It's not the right situation" as just an excuse to say "Yeah right, I'm not frustrating myself and compiling losses with this team".

2) Harrington is 33 and has 2 more years left on his deal. He's always been an efficient stretch 4 and considering that he's getting older, it doesn't make any sense to acquire him.

BBD is undersized, makes no positive impact on the boards, hurts the team's ability to block shots, and shoots under 45% from the field, which is awful for a big man. http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... -off/2013/

Nene makes a tremendous difference to a team's ability to rebound, he raises the offensive efficiency of his teams in terms of eFG% and ORtg because of increased ball movement. While he too isn't a great shotblocker, he does so many other things well.

3) Take a look at our cap. We're already well over the salary cap and luxury tax. It doesn't matter who we add to this team as long as it doesn't exceed past the 2016 season, because we'll be over the cap anyway.

If there is any board that knows about salary cap implications and the Knicks, it's us. I can confidently say that we know way more than most team fan bases when it comes to that. Therefore, we don't need a history lesson. We're well aware of the situation.

[NyCeEvO]

For the record I believe BBD would give better stats than Boozer or Nene as he is a more passionate player and really gets after the ball moreso than Boozer or Nene.

Oh please, now that's ridiculous.

You should bring up more stats to support your claim than just by simply saying that his passion would make him get better stats.

BBD shoots at 44 FG%. If his passion took him to that level of offensive efficiency, he needs a few more doses of testosterone.

[NyCeEvO]

Hey guys, he came here in peace.

The Spanish also came in peace.

Well, sometimes you don't know who you're dealing with.

I figured that it's ok to answer the initial question, but if the follow up is poor, then by all means show them the door.

In other words, if someone knocks on your door and you don't know their intentions, you put the bat next to the door and smile while you answer it. If they make a wrong move, hit a home run.

[TheMagicOne]

For the record I believe BBD would give better stats than Boozer or Nene as he is a more passionate player and really gets after the ball moreso than Boozer or Nene.

Oh please, now that's ridiculous.

You should bring up more stats to support your claim than just by simply saying that his passion would make him get better stats.

BBD shoots at 44 FG%. If his passion took him to that level of offensive efficiency, he needs a few more doses of testosterone.

It's not a matter of an argument here, it was just a word of caution if your GM wants to go down that road. Just loo, at the history of all teams who piled on these bad contracts...

Glenn Davis 15 & 7 with a $6.4 mil contract
Carlos Boozer 16 & 9.8 With a $15.3 contract

Their fg% this year was .448 & .477 which is a wash. Which makes their stats pretty much the same except....

Boozer is 31 and Davis is 27. This is Davis's first year as a starter, which means he has a higher ceiling and Boozer is over 30 and has already reached his peak and going on th down side of his career.

Yep I completely see your logic in saying that Boozer is a better option for you... With that logic you will be a one and done playoff team. No disrespect, just saying that is the history of the nba with teams who chase those overpaid aging vets.

[NyCeEvO]

Again, the contracts don't matter. We're over the salary cap and luxury tax limit.

The production per dollar doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is production.

And that's not a wash FG% difference. That's quite significant difference, especially when you consider the number of shots each takes per season.

47.7% isn't great for a big man, but it's not horrible. Anything under 45% is terrible.

His first year as a starter doesn't say anything about his ceiling. It's about how good he actually is.

His DRTG dropped to 107 this year, so it looks like he's compensating offensive numbers for defensive attention. In fact, his defense has been getting worse each of the last two seasons. And if anything, we need more defense than offense.

Boozer has a DRTG of 101. Anything more than 105 is bad, so again he loses there.


You keep coming with half-sly remarks about what we are as a team. We know what we are. We're not world-beaters or title contenders.

However, trading for Davis doesn't help us in any way.

If he's so good, why don't you want to keep him for yourself?

[Paradise]

Nah but I think we would might consider something for a nice wing defender in AA or something but not for Davis.

[vincecarter4pres]

Hey guys, he came here in peace. Treat him a bit better.

I don't think I'm treating him bad at all.

He came here with a boneheaded idea, I made a harmless joke in counter.

Big Baby and Harrington flat out suck and are on bad contracts, he wants the Nets to not only give up their pick for them, but also their only big expiring needed to match salary if anything interesting comes up.

This would be similar to one of us going to the Orlando board and saying, hey, give us Afflalo and a future 1st for Gerald Wallace, or maybe saying we'll give you Gerald Wallace for Jameer Nelson and Maurice Harkless.

I ain't mad, but I am going to make a smartass remark if you come to our board with this stuff lol.

In his/her defense, Billy King is probably stupid enough to do this and throw in an extra pick.

Hey he said he was going to thief our pick!

[N Ireland Nets]

So basically this guy is proposing that Orlando dump their shity contracts onto Brooklyn, for one of the biggest expiring contracts available next season in Hump, plus we give up a 1st round pick?!?!

Ill have what your having because its messed up your god damn mind. You do not pass go, do not collect $200.