Official Trade Thread XXIII (4/1/13 - present)

[Jester_]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

[fishercob]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

Not this Wizards fan.

[Nivek]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

No. Similar annual salaries, but Lee is signed through 2016. And Lee isn't substantially better. Actually, seems kinda like a move the Wizards might actually make given their zeal for contending for a playoff spot. Wall, Beal, a healthy Nene and a healthy Lee would likely be enough to make the playoffs for the next few years. I wouldn't do it, though -- especially not if I had to include the pick.

How much is Golden State willing to pay to get Lee's salary off the books?

[Dark Faze]

A first round pick and an expiring contract for a terrible contract.

come on bruh

[Jester_]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

No. Similar annual salaries, but Lee is signed through 2016. And Lee isn't substantially better. Actually, seems kinda like a move the Wizards might actually make given their zeal for contending for a playoff spot. Wall, Beal, a healthy Nene and a healthy Lee would likely be enough to make the playoffs for the next few years. I wouldn't do it, though -- especially not if I had to include the pick.

How much is Golden State willing to pay to get Lee's salary off the books?

I doubt we'd be willing to pay much to get him off the books, since we have around $20 million in expiring coming off next year. My idea behind the trade would be to turn you guys into a playoff threat... although I'm not a David Lee fan, he would fit your current roster pretty well, you'd just need some depth to become a force in the East.

[Nivek]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

No. Similar annual salaries, but Lee is signed through 2016. And Lee isn't substantially better. Actually, seems kinda like a move the Wizards might actually make given their zeal for contending for a playoff spot. Wall, Beal, a healthy Nene and a healthy Lee would likely be enough to make the playoffs for the next few years. I wouldn't do it, though -- especially not if I had to include the pick.

How much is Golden State willing to pay to get Lee's salary off the books?

I doubt we'd be willing to pay much to get him off the books, since we have around $20 million in expiring coming off next year. My idea behind the trade would be to turn you guys into a playoff threat... although I'm not a David Lee fan, he would fit your current roster pretty well, you'd just need some depth to become a force in the East.

Wizards are already playoff threats -- if they can stay healthy. The deal you're proposing would actually hurt the team's depth, though. Okafor for Lee is basically a straight one-for-one swap -- no depth added. Giving up the first would prevent the Wizards from adding another possible rotation player in the 1st round. Doesn't make much sense for the Wizards. Unless, of course, the front office is afraid they might not be able to acquire an adequate replacement for Okafor when his deal expires after next season.

[Dat2U]

Warriors fan here... would you guys do Okafor + first round pick for David Lee?

No. Similar annual salaries, but Lee is signed through 2016. And Lee isn't substantially better. Actually, seems kinda like a move the Wizards might actually make given their zeal for contending for a playoff spot. Wall, Beal, a healthy Nene and a healthy Lee would likely be enough to make the playoffs for the next few years. I wouldn't do it, though -- especially not if I had to include the pick.

How much is Golden State willing to pay to get Lee's salary off the books?

Sadly this is the exact deal I could see Ernie making. Lee would be our new Antawn Jamison. A productive, overlooked F who puts up gaudy numbers but whose impact is muted because he's a terrible defender. It's funny how Golden State hasn't missed a beat with him out the lineup.

[Dat2U]

A first round pick and an expiring contract for a terrible contract.

come on bruh

5th pick, Laettner & Stackhouse (expirings) for Jamison who made $14 mil per at the time.

[TGW]

I would consider Lee for Nene straight up, or maybe Lee and first rounder for Okafor.

[Dat2U]

I would not take Lee at his salary... under any circumstances.

[TGW]

I would not take Lee at his salary... under any circumstances.

Nene and Lee get paid the same amount for the same amount of years. I would say that's an upgrade.

[nuposse04]

Nene actually plays defense, hell Lee plays less defense even when Nene is injured and off the floor. Nene for Lee is at best a lateral move to preserve mediocrity.

[Upper Decker]

David Lee is the quintessential "Ewing Theory" candidate. There is not a chance the Warriors beat Denver with him in there. Denver would have been able to counter with a big front court and Faried would have eaten him alive. As things turned out Harrison Barnes owned Faried because future HOF-Faried, has no chance of guarding anyone in space. The Sloan Conference report on David Lee was pretty damning. Even if the Wizards gave up nothing but cap space for David Lee & the Warriors gave up a 1st I still wouldn't take him. He's poison for winning teams.

[TGW]

I'm not buying that...all the numbers suggest that Lee is a good player. His +/- is +7.7, which is higher than Stephen Curry (Lee's simple rating is +5.3, which is 2nd on the Warriors behind Curry). His PER is 19.2, which is only second to Curry. He's top 20 in scoring, and top 5 in rebounding. The 5 top lineup combination for the Warriors all had Lee on them. One guy for Slons Conference (whatever that is) came out and said Lee sucks at defense, which is not a revelation—so is Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, etc...pretty much everyone on the Warriors. Saying he's poison is absolutely ridiculous considering the Warriors were a winning team and their best lineups this season all had Lee as a part of it.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lee is not a player that takes teams to another level. GS is not missing him IMO.

Lee is an energetic rebounder who can score but his defense is lacking.

[TGW]

Lee is not a player that takes teams to another level. GS is not missing him IMO.

Lee is an energetic rebounder who can score but his defense is lacking.

That doesn't mean he's not useful or effective, CCJ. From what I can tell in the playoffs, it seems as though he's probably redundant on a team full of offense-first scorers. On a team like the Wizards who struggle to score, I think he'd be very useful.

[hands11]

I think based on Nenes comments about rest he'll miss more of the first half than the second. I could see him making his season debut after the all-star break.

With that said you've got to think Ernie would focus on a big in the draft. Not really a fan of Zeller, but the stars seem to be aligning towards him

What ?

He said nothing that leads to that conclusion. He doesn't have an ACL. Given his injury type, he should be ready to start the season. He just needs to rest some. And then he needs to work on conditioning. If or when we get information to states his injuries as different or not recovering, then you can make an educated estimate that is different.

For the Jack fans.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ree-Agency

dude, he said he was hurting so bad that he was considering retirement and that he just wanted to rest his body

A statement like that is crazy and you have to wonder if he'll be 100% ready to go by training camp. You've gotta wonder if he isn't going to get scoped and find something wrong somewhere or something if you're going to make a statement like that.

You might want to watch his exit interview where he talks about that. If you don't, then I suggest you forget you ever hear he said that. He has.

That statement got overblown on this board. He was just venting because he was frustrated.

[Ruzious]

Lee is not a player that takes teams to another level. GS is not missing him IMO.

Lee is an energetic rebounder who can score but his defense is lacking.

Meh. That was true until the last couple of years. He's improved quite a bit on the defensive end. Just like Boozer in Chicago, he's learned to be a good physical positional defender GS would be missing him badly if Bogut hadn't gotten healthy and raised his game. Would I trade for him? Probably not - considering he's another 30 year old and what it would take to get him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Lee is not a player that takes teams to another level. GS is not missing him IMO.

Lee is an energetic rebounder who can score but his defense is lacking.

Meh. That was true until the last couple of years. He's improved quite a bit on the defensive end. Just like Boozer in Chicago, he's learned to be a good physical positional defender GS would be missing him badly if Bogut hadn't gotten healthy and raised his game. Would I trade for him? Probably not - considering he's another 30 year old and what it would take to get him.

That's my view on Lee. He's a good player that I would not trade Okafof for him. I think I would trade Nene for Lee.

[Dark Faze]

Nenes worse case scenario is being inefficient offensively while being pretty good defensively, with the upside being there's the potential he showed shortly before the lockout and his Olympic runs, which were 120+ ORTG years with only a slight updtick in DRTG, meaning the best of both worlds.

I don't think Lee is worth it, as Nenes decline seems to be clearly due to injury, which explanations of a lockout year/fast paced schedule and still playing in the olympics as the reasoning, there's still at least a good chance that he could return to form, which would put him a couple of tiers above Lee at least.

I'd rather have just gotten Smoove if I was thinking about Lee. You at least get strong defense and rebounds for sure there, the extra millions being worth the health and guaranteed production in two areas where we need it most.