Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Post #441 » by **montestewart** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:12 pm

verbal8 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Klay Thompson says hello from the playoffs.
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/6/ ... jan-vesely

If Vesley plays well this summer, trading him for cap space might be the best move. With a lot more cap space available this summer, some team might see it as getting a free "draft pick".

We can always hope. A few years ago, some team took on the last year of Jiang Yi's contract.

Post #442 » by **nate33** » Thu May 9, 2013 1:20 pm

montestewart wrote:
verbal8 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Klay Thompson says hello from the playoffs.
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/5/6/ ... jan-vesely

If Vesley plays well this summer, trading him for cap space might be the best move. With a lot more cap space available this summer, some team might see it as getting a free "draft pick".

We can always hope. A few years ago, some team took on the last year of Jiang Yi's contract.

Higga · Post #443 » by **Higga** » Thu May 9, 2013 2:58 pm

We could have had Klay Thompson. Instead we got the worst basketball player I've ever seen.

This makes me cry. WE could have been where the Warriors are at now.

GhostsOfGil · Post #444 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Thu May 9, 2013 5:18 pm

Higga wrote:We could have had Klay Thompson. Instead we got the worst basketball player I've ever seen.

This makes me cry. WE could have been where the Warriors are at now.

Well, Higga, the question is:
Wall + Beal? vs Curry + Klay?

That's a tough one indeed...

Dat2U · Post #445 » by **Dat2U** » Thu May 9, 2013 5:30 pm

Klay Thomspon had a great game last night but he's not all that. He's a really good shooter, but every other aspect of his game is below average. Of course that still means he's worlds better than Vesely.

Dark Faze · Post #446 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu May 9, 2013 6:27 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:
Higga wrote:We could have had Klay Thompson. Instead we got the worst basketball player I've ever seen.

This makes me cry. WE could have been where the Warriors are at now.

Well, Higga, the question is:
Wall + Beal? vs Curry + Klay?

That's a tough one indeed...

I don't think its that tough. The upside of Wall and Beal continues to be higher.

Post #447 » by **Rafael122** » Thu May 9, 2013 6:45 pm

Dat2U wrote:Klay Thomspon had a great game last night but he's not all that. He's a really good shooter, but every other aspect of his game is below average. Of course that still means he's worlds better than Vesely.

I don't know what the stats show, but I was watching last night's game and he was on Manu (I believe, or maybe it was Neal) like white on rice. Seems to be really active defensively.

Post #448 » by **nate33** » Thu May 9, 2013 6:59 pm

Dat2U wrote:Klay Thomspon had a great game last night but he's not all that. He's a really good shooter, but every other aspect of his game is below average. Of course that still means he's worlds better than Vesely.

If he is below average at the other facets of the game, it is only by a hair. Overall, I'd say he is well on his way to being an above-average starter for a long long time. Given his age and potential to improve, it's even possible that he might sneak into an all star game or two.

keynote · Post #449 » by **keynote** » Thu May 9, 2013 7:36 pm

Yeah, as much as I'm drinking the Wall & Beal Kool-Aid, I think there's a decent-sized gap between Curry and Wall right now. Wall is a better defender, but Curry doesn't appear to be as bad on D as advertised. And, on offense, Curry has all of Wall's court vision, plus the most lethal jumper in the game.

As for Beal vs. Thompson, I'd say it's a wash - although Klay's ability to defend three positions (and rebound - 14 boards in a playoff game) may tip the scale in his favor.

I still think Kawai is the better "Kick Me" example for the Vesley pick than Klay. But Klay's definitely showing me something.

Nivek · Post #450 » by **Nivek** » Thu May 9, 2013 9:20 pm

Klay had a GREAT game, but I wouldn't go too far down the road of the Wizards blundering by not picking him. He was solidly below average this season (PPA of 79 (where average is 100) and a PER of 12.7). Even after last night's game, his PER for the playoffs is 13.2.

Leonard and Faried are the "kick me" examples of what the Wizards missed in that draft.

hands11 · Post #451 » by **hands11** » Thu May 9, 2013 10:05 pm

I still think the kick me pick was Nikola Vucevic

We had tons of questions about McGee and Dray. We needed a center.

They wanted Kanter. If they couldn't get him, they should have gone with Vucevic.

closg00 · Post #452 » by **closg00** » Thu May 9, 2013 11:04 pm

Nivek wrote:Klay had a GREAT game, but I wouldn't go too far down the road of the Wizards blundering by not picking him. He was solidly below average this season (PPA of 79 (where average is 100) and a PER of 12.7). Even after last night's game, his PER for the playoffs is 13.2.

Leonard and Faried are the "kick me" examples of what the Wizards missed in that draft.

Yeah, I think the larger point was how the board was so against Vesely pre-draft and that we would have taken anybody over him and we would have been better-off.

Post #453 » by **montestewart** » Thu May 9, 2013 11:46 pm

closg00 wrote:
Nivek wrote:Klay had a GREAT game, but I wouldn't go too far down the road of the Wizards blundering by not picking him. He was solidly below average this season (PPA of 79 (where average is 100) and a PER of 12.7). Even after last night's game, his PER for the playoffs is 13.2.

Leonard and Faried are the "kick me" examples of what the Wizards missed in that draft.

Yeah, I think the larger point was how the board was so against Vesely pre-draft and that we would have taken anybody over him and we would have been better-off.

Yep. Leonard may have been picked a bit lower than projected, maybe Vucevic too. I wonder if their draft position projections affected EG's choices, maybe hoping one of them would slip down to the 18th pick. The real question is why Vesely got rated so high. I recall that a large number of draft reporters seemed to think Vesely to the Wizards was a certainty. I don't understand any better now than I did then why that was the plan, but there seems to be a shortage of flexible thinking around the Wizards front office, like as soon as they decided to take him, their work was done.

What if the Wizards had the 7th pick, or if they had the 6th pick, but Vesely was not in the draft? Who would they have chosen? My guess is they would have taken Singleton, who I saw projected as high as 5 or 6 in some mock drafts. If they chose him, I'll bet they would still not have gotten Faried at 18. Probably would have taken Motiejunas or Mirotic, to justify EG's Euro-junkets.

Knighthonor · Post #454 » by **Knighthonor** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:43 am

WHY WONT THEY JUST SEND HIM TO THE D-LEAGUE??????

Will somebody finally answer this question already?!

Post #455 » by **montestewart** » Fri May 10, 2013 3:37 am

Knighthonor wrote:WHY WONT THEY JUST SEND HIM TO THE D-LEAGUE??????

Will somebody finally answer this question already?!

closg00 · Post #456 » by **closg00** » Fri May 10, 2013 10:02 am

Knighthonor wrote:WHY WONT THEY JUST SEND HIM TO THE D-LEAGUE??????

Will somebody finally answer this question already?!

Is the D-League off the table with Vesely and others? "No. It's never been off the table. With the kind of injuries we had this year, we needed the bodies up here for practices or for game-type situations. A lot of times, players develop just as much in a practice-type situation, though at the end of the year, we didn't have as many practices. But we needed healthy bodies for this team also."

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/4/23 ... on-wizards

Translation, we are a bargain basement organization and we are too-cheap and lazy to management a D-League rotation.

Dark Faze · Post #457 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:39 pm

I think everyone knew Vucevic and Kawhi were solid, problem was (and not too dissimilar to this year) is we wanted a guy with all-star upside and DAT potential.

If we had just gone with who produced the best and had documented NBA skills then we'd have come out well in that draft.

GhostsOfGil · Post #458 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri May 10, 2013 1:59 pm

TBH, I think the general consensus around here was that Kawhi was a reach at 6... But IIRC everyone here was disappointed we missed on Faried.

Post #459 » by **montestewart** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:02 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I think everyone knew Vucevic and Kawhi were solid, problem was (and not too dissimilar to this year) is we wanted a guy with all-star upside and DAT potential.

If we had just gone with who produced the best and had documented NBA skills then we'd have come out well in that draft.

EG's draft strategy, like his trade strategy, increasingly looks like late-game, deep-in-the-hole strategy. Desperate and with long odds. Swinging for the fences might save your job if you connect, but if you strike out, that's usually supposed to result in dismissal. No one told Leonsis that.

Dark Faze · Post #460 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri May 10, 2013 2:34 pm

Funny thing is that if anyone should know about how much decent coaching and good GM work can help it should be Leonsis. He's struggling to chip even with a top 3 player in the NHL, numerous great coaches in a row and a great GM. What makes him think the bottom of the barrel strategy is going to result in anything with the Wiz? He should be jumping to give Phil Jackson anything he wants and to hire the best coach on the market.

Is Jan Vesely a Bust?