Magic fan question about Kris Humphries?

[tranjSAIC]

I understand your screwed no matter what in terms of salary/tax but wouldn't you guys want a smaller tax bill than a larger one? I know your owner is crazy loaded and is willing to pay but eventually don't you think the tax bill will catch up? Why not try to have it a tad bit lower, with the penalties so sever now I think you have to factor in how high your tax bill will be. Is it smart to make it MUCH larger with a guy like Boozer?

That's my thinking, maybe I'm wrong but even the deepest pockets will have a hard time paying a ton of money for little results.

[PetroNet]

I understand your screwed no matter what in terms of salary/tax but wouldn't you guys want a smaller tax bill than a larger one? I know your owner is crazy loaded and is willing to pay but eventually don't you think the tax bill will catch up? Why not try to have it a tad bit lower, with the penalties so sever now I think you have to factor in how high your tax bill will be. Is it smart to make it MUCH larger with a guy like Boozer?

That's my thinking, maybe I'm wrong but even the deepest pockets will have a hard time paying a ton of money for little results.

No, it doesnt make sense to have a smaller tax bill. especially when we have a clear and exact date that we will be uned the tax again. It maxes no sense to try and have a smaller tax bill the next 3 seasons when either way we will be way over the tax. The on court impact woudl far exceed the tax bills.

The nets franchise worth has more then tripled this season. our merchandise went from 31st in the league(out of 30 teams) to 2nd. The on court product is infinitely more important then an extra 5-25 million in luxury tax payments.... additionally, according to forbes Prokorov makes 20-40 million daily. 1 day and he pays off the tax for the year. He isnt going broke over 3 years of paying an enormous amount of luxury tax. "deep pockets" is an understatement. and he has publically said he intends to continue to spend whatever it takes to put the best product on the floor.

There is simply no rational or logical argument to trying to limit what salary we would take on in a trade. and a few arguments as to why we would want to take on as much salary as possible...

Boozer is the absolute perfect fit. Not only does he provide an upgrade on the court, but he doesnt extend into 2016-2017 and he would become an expiring contract after next season, allowing us a take on big salary in a trade again next offseason.

I understand your screwed no matter what in terms of salary/tax

We aren't screwed. All of our salary comes off the books in the same offseason. There is a clear end to this window. the money is concentrated into 3-4 players who all expire at once. it isnt a case of having 6-8 overpaid guys with no end in sight. we can plan for it. 2015-2016 we shed it all and can plan to make a run at marquee FA's like durant to play with lopez and dwill.

Until then, we have a 3 year window where spending and salary dont matter. im not sure why this isnt clear by now?

[NyCeEvO]

I understand your screwed no matter what in terms of salary/tax but wouldn't you guys want a smaller tax bill than a larger one? I know your owner is crazy loaded and is willing to pay but eventually don't you think the tax bill will catch up? Why not try to have it a tad bit lower, with the penalties so sever now I think you have to factor in how high your tax bill will be. Is it smart to make it MUCH larger with a guy like Boozer?

That's my thinking, maybe I'm wrong but even the deepest pockets will have a hard time paying a ton of money for little results.

The owner doesn't care. If he doesn't care, then there's no point of trying to save a few million here or there.

It's all about production. This is the roster King chose to compile and the one we're stuck with for the most part.

Since money is no object, then we should completely remove it from consideration when discussing the players we would trade for (except for having enough salary to actually do any deal for Hump's contract).

We're not being pretentious about this. We're discussing facts.

I think you're taking our "No, this will not be the case" type of attitude as pride, when it's really just the fact that most of us know the salary cap problem we have like the back of our hands. We know that we're pretty much stuck and we've gone over the situation many times on this board. We say it the way we do, because we've already discussed amongst ourselves over and over what can and cannot be done.

The reason why people have been saying he was trolling because:

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract
2) He did sneak in a couple "have fun with the 1st rd exit" comments. If you're coming in peace, there's no need to make fun.

[tranjSAIC]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

[tranjSAIC]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

I think Boozer would be a turrible fit for you guys. If you could somehow get Andy V from the Cavs, he is exactly the type of hustle defender you guys need.

[PetroNet]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

either:

I) an overpaid player on a bloated contract, such as:

-boozer (2 years 31M)
-Nene (3 yrs 40M)
-Eric Gordon(3 Yrs (47 M)

or

II) A couple very overpaid bad/underachiving players along with a young asset, such as

- Bargani, fields, ross [TOR]
- Lou williams, John Jenkins, Draft pick [ATL]
- Terry, Lee, first rounder [BOS]
- Mahinmi, Green, draft pick [IND]

not saying all those would be gauranteed trades, but i expect something of that nature to go down. From group 1 id say boozer would be most likely based on the bulls situation. not sure nene would get moved as washington doenst have a major need to clear space, eric gordon is 50/50. they owe him a ton and he doesnt seem to want to be there or stay healthy. from group 2 i think the pacers package is a good fit for both teams. mahinmi and green provide alot of what we need on the wing and at the 4 and a second rounder or heavily protected first seems like fair compensation.

[PetroNet]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

I think Boozer would be a turrible fit for you guys. If you could somehow get Andy V from the Cavs, he is exactly the type of hustle defender you guys need.

The Cavs have no need for an expiring. thats really not a possibility.

Boozer is a great fit, both on court wise and asset wise. he brings emotion, offensive efficeincy and versatility, rebounding, toughness, and is a better defender then evans.

ideally, the best fit is an elite defending 4. but those are rare, and certainly not going to be had for humphries

[tranjSAIC]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

either:

I) an overpaid player on a bloated contract, such as:

-boozer (2 years 31M)
-Nene (3 yrs 40M)
-Eric Gordon(3 Yrs (47 M)

or

II) A couple very overpaid bad/underachiving players along with a young asset, such as

- Bargani, fields, ross [TOR]
- Lou williams, John Jenkins, Draft pick [ATL]
- Terry, Lee, first rounder [BOS]
- Mahinmi, Green, draft pick [IND]

not saying all those would be gauranteed trades, but i expect something of that nature to go down.

I honestly don't see the 1st 5 listed trades going down.

[PetroNet]

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

either:

I) an overpaid player on a bloated contract, such as:

-boozer (2 years 31M)
-Nene (3 yrs 40M)
-Eric Gordon(3 Yrs (47 M)

or

II) A couple very overpaid bad/underachiving players along with a young asset, such as

- Bargani, fields, ross [TOR]
- Lou williams, John Jenkins, Draft pick [ATL]
- Terry, Lee, first rounder [BOS]
- Mahinmi, Green, draft pick [IND]

not saying all those would be gauranteed trades, but i expect something of that nature to go down.

I honestly don't see the 1st 5 listed trades going down.

Like i said, not all of those are we gauranteed to have the other team go for it. I was listing what we are likely/what i expect to get in return.

-The Boozer deal isnt unrealistic or unlikely on either side. the bulls would get under the tax a year early. its an attractive thought for them adn they have gibson in the waiting.

-Nene is less likely, as the wizards dont have an immediate need to clear cap space, but nene is wildly overpaid and misses alot of time to injury. not likely, but possible.

-Gordon id say is more of a 50/50. he is owed ton, certainly not worth near his max money, doesnt want to be there, and cant stay healthy. id say its very likely he gets traded, with us being in the mix of suitors.

-The Atlanta deal allows them to shed williams large contract with him coming off a season ending injury. they give jenkins and a 2nd rounder ro havily protected first as compensation. i think this is something they would look to do, especially if they plan to extend smith and make a run and CP3 or D12.

-he toronto deal i think is actually one of the most likely trades. The nets had interest in bargani at the deadline, toronto would love to move the contracts of bargani and fields, and ross we really disappointing. they would clear that cap space, add brooks who has been similarly disappointing in one of those "maybe a change of scnenery will be good for both guys" kinda thing, and add a first rounder. or if they dont want to part with ross it could be a similar deal where its hump and brooks for field and bargani with the nets holding on to their first rounder.

-he indiana deal is a move the pacers would jump at. I can certainly see a deal centered around those players happening

-F the celtics could shed Lee they would happily part with terry and swap picks with the nets. im not sure if the nets would make that deal without getting a big or an athlete on the wing though

[NyCeEvO]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

No, the real question should be "Do you think you can get better player performance than BBD and/or Harrington for Hump?"

The answer to that question is yes.

You guys keep trying to pin us down on whether we can get Boozer, Nene, and others.

The whole point of this matter (at least as it pertains to this specific thread) is can get a player that is better than BBD for Hump's expiring contract.

We're quite certain that get a player who's better and/or fits what we need more than BBD does.

[NyCeEvO]

1) We believe that we can get better talent for Hump's contract

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

I think Boozer would be a turrible fit for you guys. If you could somehow get Andy V from the Cavs, he is exactly the type of hustle defender you guys need.

We don't need a guy who's injured 50% of the season and his defense isn't really going to do anything for our team defense.

He's got a DRTG of 104 this season and his DRAPM for the 2012 season was +2.5. The former is bad for a center, while the latter is respectable.

The biggest plus side is that he has a Team Option so we would be able to decide to make him an expiring this upcoming year or the next year, but I doubt anyone would want to trade anything of substance unless they're trying to get out of a toxic deal.

Oh wait a minute....

[TheMagicOne]

Just curious, what do you guys realistically think you can get for Hump's contract?

I think Boozer would be a turrible fit for you guys. If you could somehow get Andy V from the Cavs, he is exactly the type of hustle defender you guys need.

We don't need a guy who's injured 50% of the season and his defense isn't really going to do anything for our team defense.

He's got a DRTG of 104 this season and his DRAPM for the 2012 season was +2.5. The former is bad for a center, while the latter is respectable.

The biggest plus side is that he has a Team Option so we would be able to decide to make him an expiring this upcoming year or the next year, but I doubt anyone would want to trade anything of substance unless they're trying to get out of a toxic deal.

Oh wait a minute....

Ok well the Lakers want this trade, what do you think?

We want a future draft pick with this deal from the Nets with this deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwxuzme

[NyCeEvO]

I've got a like-dislike relationship with Pau.

There are times when I watch him and I think "if he's healthy, a twin tower front court with him and Lopez would be sick".

However, there were times this season where I saw him struggling with his knees, guards were driving around him like Ferraris around a double-decker bus, and I think 'no, I don't want him'.

The thing is...I don't know what kind of Pau is going to be there next season.

Given the fact that he had the FAST treatment on his knees, does that mean he's going to be able to play like 08/09 Pau or is it something that has no effect whatsoever.

It scares me when I hear this at his exit interview:

"It's more than tendinitis, it's tendonosis," Gasol said. "There's a degeneration of the tissue, and it's something that I've dealt with all year. So I'll have to do something to regenerate the tissue so I don't have to play with this pain."

Gasol added that he was suffering from calcification on the insertion of his patellar tendon in his knees.
via http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... dure-knees

However, at the same time he posted 3 triple-doubles in the last 7 games of the regular season despite being injured.

If Pau is healthy (and can remain healthy), I probably take that deal and just look to re-sign him to a much smaller deal (e.g. 3yr/$18-21mil).

I know it's not much of answer but he's such an unknown at this point.

If he's healthy, I'd probably do the deal. The combination of his post presence along with Lopez could make for respectable (but not great) defense. But I think the offense would absolutely thrive with him there.

But if there's any concern about his health, I wouldn't do it.

[DBoys]

Btw, the research has been done on the Blatche situation, and I'm pretty sure that the conclusion was: While Blatche can make more by signing elsewhere, there's a limit to it (either by amnesty amount or something), and overall, he cannot make a lot more than what the Nets can offer him (vet min. + 20% or mini MLE). Think about it, if Blatche could make that much more money on top of his amnestied contract, it would be a stupid way to reward amnestied players who clear the waivers.

I have never heard of such a "limit" linked to clearing amnesty waivers, and beyond the right of "set off" which I already described, I think that amnestied players are indeed rewarded for signing contracts for more money. (If you or anyone else can offer more info on this "limit" I'd love to know more about it.)

From what has already been described to me, it sounds like Blatche plans to stay with the Nets. But if he doesn't, I suspect that it will be because the Nets are outbid, certainly a possibility given the limits of what they can pay him. Is the forum consensus that he will be offered the 3.183M mini-MLE that the Nets will have available?

[TheMagicOne]

I've got a like-dislike relationship with Pau.

There are times when I watch him and I think "if he's healthy, a twin tower front court with him and Lopez would be sick".

However, there were times this season where I saw him struggling with his knees, guards were driving around him like Ferraris around a double-decker bus, and I think 'no, I don't want him'.

The thing is...I don't know what kind of Pau is going to be there next season.

Given the fact that he had the FAST treatment on his knees, does that mean he's going to be able to play like 08/09 Pau or is it something that has no effect whatsoever.

It scares me when I hear this at his exit interview:

"It's more than tendinitis, it's tendonosis," Gasol said. "There's a degeneration of the tissue, and it's something that I've dealt with all year. So I'll have to do something to regenerate the tissue so I don't have to play with this pain."

Gasol added that he was suffering from calcification on the insertion of his patellar tendon in his knees.
via http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/stor ... dure-knees

However, at the same time he posted 3 triple-doubles in the last 7 games of the regular season despite being injured.

If Pau is healthy (and can remain healthy), I probably take that deal and just look to re-sign him to a much smaller deal (e.g. 3yr/$18-21mil).

I know it's not much of answer but he's such an unknown at this point.

If he's healthy, I'd probably do the deal. The combination of his post presence along with Lopez could make for respectable (but not great) defense. But I think the offense would absolutely thrive with him there.

But if there's any concern about his health, I wouldn't do it.

Well he is better than Boozer or Nene, so that might be the best you can get for a expiring contract in Humphries. You basically would be trading a contract, Brooks and a future first round pick for Pau. A lot better than Boozer or Nene because he would expire at the end of the season and then if he worked out you could resign him and match him to your long term 2016 deals.

From our perspective we flip Afflalo, BBD and Nelson for a future pick and Brooks. Not that great of a deal for us unless we actually do something with our 2014 cap space. It's a deal that seems to meet the needs of all three teams.

[NyCeEvO]

If Boozer, Nene, and Pau are all healthy, I'd agree with you.

Nene is hurt too often to be relied upon anyway. He was contemplating retirement this year due to the injury troubles so I'm heavily leaning away from actually wanting him (even though I used it as an example of a deal we could theoretically make).

And as Boozer proved yet again last night, he's all offense, no defense.

It would be a no brainer deal if Pau ended the season healthy, then again I doubt the Lakers would trade him if he was completely healthy lol.

So yeah, I think you're right with this one. It's not the greatest deal for any of the teams, but it does address some needs that each of us have.

[PetroNet]

Ok well the Lakers want this trade, what do you think?

We want a future draft pick with this deal from the Nets with this deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwxuzme

If there isnt a better option that is certainly a deal I would make. I'd prefer to make a deal for boozer though.

Pau expiring doesnt help us. If we decided to move him, it would have to be by the deadline, giving us a small window to get something for him if he wasnt working out. extending him only works if he would take a 2 or3 year deal, as we wouldnt want him signed beyond 2015-2016.

Boozer I think would give us similar impact on the floor, would be an expiring the following year giving us more options as we would have 2 full seaosns of him with much more time to move him as an expiring.