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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#561 » by nate33 » Thu May 9, 2013 12:01 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

This notion of a disgruntled Wall fleeing the organization keeps coming up. Forget it. It's absolutely not going to happen. I guarantee Wall stays with the franchise at least for another 4 or 5 years.

If Wall wanted to leave Washington, he would have to first accept the QO offer of $9.7M. He would then become a free agent and would need to sign a new 3-year deal starting at the max. The team he signed with would have to be far under the cap (limiting his options) and they could only offer 4.5% raises. In a best-case scenario, his total salary over those 4 years (the QO year plus the 3-year contract) would be $51.6M. And of course, that assumes he doesn't get hurt or regress in his QO year and sabotage his value.

If he stays with Washington, Washington will give him, at the very least, a 4-year deal worth the max with 7.5% raises. During those 4 years, he would earn $61.0M while be assured of being on a team that has a few other good players (Beal, Nene, probably Webster, 2013 draft pick, 2014 max free agent or at least Okafor and spare parts). He'll get the security of a long-term deal with no risk that injury will tank his value. And he'll maintain a more positive image which is good for marketing image.

Wall is not going to take a $10M pay cut, increase his injury risk, and damage his marketing image just because he's a little "disgruntled" because EG got fired (or because we didn't add a veteran this summer, or whatever other minor issue people want to bring up). There is absolutely no reason to be concerned at all. None.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#562 » by queridiculo » Thu May 9, 2013 3:26 pm

For Leonsis firing Grunfeld should be as easy as looking at the Warriors roster and pointing at Curry and Thompson.

What a cruel joke.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#563 » by nuposse04 » Thu May 9, 2013 4:21 pm

nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

This notion of a disgruntled Wall fleeing the organization keeps coming up. Forget it. It's absolutely not going to happen. I guarantee Wall stays with the franchise at least for another 4 or 5 years.

If Wall wanted to leave Washington, he would have to first accept the QO offer of $9.7M. He would then become a free agent and would need to sign a new 3-year deal starting at the max. The team he signed with would have to be far under the cap (limiting his options) and they could only offer 4.5% raises. In a best-case scenario, his total salary over those 4 years (the QO year plus the 3-year contract) would be $51.6M. And of course, that assumes he doesn't get hurt or regress in his QO year and sabotage his value.

If he stays with Washington, Washington will give him, at the very least, a 4-year deal worth the max with 7.5% raises. During those 4 years, he would earn $61.0M while be assured of being on a team that has a few other good players (Beal, Nene, probably Webster, 2013 draft pick, 2014 max free agent or at least Okafor and spare parts). He'll get the security of a long-term deal with no risk that injury will tank his value. And he'll maintain a more positive image which is good for marketing image.

Wall is not going to take a $10M pay cut, increase his injury risk, and damage his marketing image just because he's a little "disgruntled" because EG got fired (or because we didn't add a veteran this summer, or whatever other minor issue people want to bring up). There is absolutely no reason to be concerned at all. None.


I don't think he would not sign a long extension...I'm wondering more, behind close doors...does he actually want Ernie back? Moreover, whose opinion/vision would Ted value more, John or Ernie? The only people I can surmise that would have some allegiance to him would be Nene, Okafor, Jan, Seraphin...and maybe Webster.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#564 » by Dark Faze » Fri May 10, 2013 2:41 pm

queridiculo wrote:For Leonsis firing Grunfeld should be as easy as looking at the Warriors roster and pointing at Curry and Thompson.

What a cruel joke.


I'd rather have Wall and Beal. Thompson is a below average player going by years of stats and actually watching games. Even his playoff PER for this year is below average.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#565 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 10, 2013 2:56 pm

Golden State was 23-43 last year. Curry did miss a lot of time last year because of the ankle injuries, more than Wall did but where we are now to me closely resembles where GS was a year ago. They have a young backcourt and we have a young backcourt with our respective players having one less years experience each. Injury prone big man (Bogut/Nene) - Check. David Lee is a stat stuffer but I don't think the team would be playing s well with him in the lineup in the playoffs so I'm not trying to replicate his role. So what's missing now....A combo guard 6th man and a a young wing forward. I just hope Ernie is watching the playoffs and realizes that this team is the one we can most closely resemble out of who's left standing.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#566 » by jivelikenice » Fri May 10, 2013 11:17 pm

Following up on the GS point, they had Vesely 'esque setback when they passed on Monroe and George for Epke Udoh. After the solidified their roster with the addition or Jack and drafting Barnes they were able to overcome it. The onus is on Ernie to fill out the roster accordingly. Ernie missed BADLY in'11, but what Ernie does in with this draft pick can cure those ills.....I'm not confident he gets it done, but the notion that this rebuild is dead before it ever got going because of the Vesely missis false. OKC didnt miss which is why they ascended as quickly as they did. GS has shown that a bad draft pick doesn't mean the end of the world.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#567 » by penbeast0 » Sat May 11, 2013 12:53 am

nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

This notion of a disgruntled Wall fleeing the organization keeps coming up. Forget it. It's absolutely not going to happen. I guarantee Wall stays with the franchise at least for another 4 or 5 years.

If Wall wanted to leave Washington, he would have to first accept the QO offer of $9.7M. He would then become a free agent and would need to sign a new 3-year deal starting at the max. The team he signed with would have to be far under the cap (limiting his options) and they could only offer 4.5% raises. In a best-case scenario, his total salary over those 4 years (the QO year plus the 3-year contract) would be $51.6M. And of course, that assumes he doesn't get hurt or regress in his QO year and sabotage his value.

If he stays with Washington, Washington will give him, at the very least, a 4-year deal worth the max with 7.5% raises. During those 4 years, he would earn $61.0M while be assured of being on a team that has a few other good players (Beal, Nene, probably Webster, 2013 draft pick, 2014 max free agent or at least Okafor and spare parts). He'll get the security of a long-term deal with no risk that injury will tank his value. And he'll maintain a more positive image which is good for marketing image.

Wall is not going to take a $10M pay cut, increase his injury risk, and damage his marketing image just because he's a little "disgruntled" because EG got fired (or because we didn't add a veteran this summer, or whatever other minor issue people want to bring up). There is absolutely no reason to be concerned at all. None.



And Dwight and Carmelo would never be allowed by their advisors to damage their marketing and NBA value with season long (2 seasons long in Dwight's case) whining and public trashing of their own organization to force a trade to one of the NBA superrich teams. Nope.

These are young men with big egos and high testosterone levels who are under extraordinary public scrutiny. I think back to some of the idiotic decisions I made at that age (and since) and am not willing to say it's impossible.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#568 » by nate33 » Sat May 11, 2013 12:59 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.

This notion of a disgruntled Wall fleeing the organization keeps coming up. Forget it. It's absolutely not going to happen. I guarantee Wall stays with the franchise at least for another 4 or 5 years.

If Wall wanted to leave Washington, he would have to first accept the QO offer of $9.7M. He would then become a free agent and would need to sign a new 3-year deal starting at the max. The team he signed with would have to be far under the cap (limiting his options) and they could only offer 4.5% raises. In a best-case scenario, his total salary over those 4 years (the QO year plus the 3-year contract) would be $51.6M. And of course, that assumes he doesn't get hurt or regress in his QO year and sabotage his value.

If he stays with Washington, Washington will give him, at the very least, a 4-year deal worth the max with 7.5% raises. During those 4 years, he would earn $61.0M while be assured of being on a team that has a few other good players (Beal, Nene, probably Webster, 2013 draft pick, 2014 max free agent or at least Okafor and spare parts). He'll get the security of a long-term deal with no risk that injury will tank his value. And he'll maintain a more positive image which is good for marketing image.

Wall is not going to take a $10M pay cut, increase his injury risk, and damage his marketing image just because he's a little "disgruntled" because EG got fired (or because we didn't add a veteran this summer, or whatever other minor issue people want to bring up). There is absolutely no reason to be concerned at all. None.



And Dwight and Carmelo would never be allowed by their advisors to damage their marketing and NBA value with season long (2 seasons long in Dwight's case) whining and public trashing of their own organization to force a trade to one of the NBA superrich teams. Nope.

These are young men with big egos and high testosterone levels who are under extraordinary public scrutiny. I think back to some of the idiotic decisions I made at that age (and since) and am not willing to say it's impossible.

Apples and oranges. Dwight and Carmelo were soon-to-be unrestricted free agents when they made their move. Wall is a RFA.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#569 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat May 11, 2013 1:20 pm

nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.


Just wait until Flip Saunders starts calling out players via the media. Ricky likes to be a showman who goes for spectacular plays. Flip is a control freak who often had negative things to say as Wizards coach. He replaced Kahn.

If Minnesota does not win games out of the gate look for more than Ricky Rubio to be disgruntled.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#570 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat May 11, 2013 1:31 pm

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nuposse04 wrote:I found the WT news that Rubios camp being "upset" at Khans' firing to be a bit unsettling... I wonder, if EG was actually fired...Would Wall actually be disgruntled with the organization? Or is he competent enough to realize one of the reasons his growth was stunted was the terrible culture EG had built and taken so long to overcome.


I wonder if Kahn having a close relationship with Rubio kept him in the job longer and possibly his differences with Love got him fired.


I think you are on point, verbal. Love disliked Kahn. It sets up an interesting dynamic moving forward in Minnesota.

I think Love is such a bad defender that it limits his overall greatness. IMO he's a better-rebounding Carlos Boozer, with three point shooting range. I have wondered whether Minny could trade Love and actually improve, because of his perceived value perhaps being even greater than his game is.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#571 » by nate33 » Sat May 11, 2013 2:31 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I think Love is such a bad defender that it limits his overall greatness. IMO he's a better-rebounding Carlos Boozer, with three point shooting range. I have wondered whether Minny could trade Love and actually improve, because of his perceived value perhaps being even greater than his game is.

You've got a point there. Minnesota has never won with Love. Even last year when Love was putting up 1st Team All-NBA type numbers, the team went 24-31 in games that he played.

Usually, having an elite big man is a guarantee of at least a .500 record.

I wonder if Minnesota could work out a Love for Horford trade? Or Love for Anthony Davis. Or Love for Ilyasova + Sanders. These types of deals might seem bad at first blush, but would probably improve Minnesota dramatically in the long run.
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Post#572 » by mhd » Sat May 11, 2013 3:11 pm

This was posted on the trade board: Love for Lee+Barnes. If I'm Minny, I'd do that trade.
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Post#573 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue May 14, 2013 11:33 pm

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2013/05/bas ... ds+Blog%29

Pretty good article from TAI. Pretty much the same **** we've been posting about all season.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#574 » by Dark Faze » Wed May 15, 2013 1:07 pm

Caps loss may have been a blessing in disguise, Ernie is catching a lot of heat for being "soft" with his GM's.
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Post#575 » by Jay81 » Thu May 16, 2013 10:39 am

I have a feeling that Ted is going let go for George McPhee but how can he do that and keep Ernie Grunfeld? I really think if he fires GMGM...he almost has to fire Ernie or he is going to take some serious heat. If he dosent fire GMGM, then it maybe because he dosent want to get rid of Ernie till the year after
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#576 » by Ruzious » Thu May 16, 2013 11:29 am

Dark Faze wrote:Caps loss may have been a blessing in disguise, Ernie is catching a lot of heat for being "soft" with his GM's.

Ted seems to have a need to say "See, I told ya so. You thought I should have done it differently, but I stayed the course and proved you wrong." Unfortunately, he's willing to wait ... and wait .... and wait many years to "prove it". He's waited a decade. Heck, what's another decade? I'll show you. I'll show you all who the clever one is!!! You dare doubt me? Me??? I'm Ted F Leonsis - the world's cleverest man. Deal widit.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#577 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu May 16, 2013 1:44 pm

Lets say everyone stays relatively healthy this year and the Wizards end with a 49-33 record. Wall makes the All star game, Beal takes another step forward and Wiz lose in the second round of the eastern semis. What happens then? Is Ernie extended? I have a feeling the answer is yes...
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#578 » by Higga » Thu May 16, 2013 4:26 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Lets say everyone stays relatively healthy this year and the Wizards end with a 49-33 record. Wall makes the All star game, Beal takes another step forward and Wiz lose in the second round of the eastern semis. What happens then? Is Ernie extended? I have a feeling the answer is yes...


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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#579 » by closg00 » Sat May 18, 2013 6:02 pm

Per the Tap, Uriji is in he last year of his contract and is a top candidate to run the Raptors. Ernie is also in the last year of his contract, but it doesn't appear that teams are lining-up with contract offers for Ernie, very puzzling :-)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#580 » by closg00 » Wed May 22, 2013 11:06 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwCWCJLm6M0[/youtube]

Congrats on landing the 3rd pick Ernie :thumbsup:

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