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Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edit 

Post#1461 » by T-Cat » Sat May 11, 2013 10:52 am

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Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Skin wrote:I love when people fall in love with highlights and think they can tell everything about a player from that.

Schroeder played a very nice game in the Hoops Classic. I was impressed with his speed, 3 point shot and passing. But Andrew Harrison ate him for lunch whenever Schoeder tried to guard him. Schroeder oozes potential and there is a lot to like, but he's a long ways away from being able to run an NBA team. He's very raw. Let's not kid ourselves here. He needs to bulk up and continue to learn the mental part of the game.

Burke is ready now. Dude is showtime. He would start for us on Day 1.

Schroerder could be ready in a few years. But maybe that's the direction we want if we're looking to tank another season. Time is on our side here. We're in the rebuilding / development phase.

Trade down, pick up a future pick and draft Schroeder... I wouldn't hate the move. Anything but drafting Noel or McLemore is fine by me.

And I love it when Burke fans act like their girlfriends just cheated on them when someone talks about another pg that isn't trey. Calm down dude.

And I love overreaction due to incomprehension. You're the one that needs to calm down dude.

There was nothing in my post that suggested Burke was the best and only option for us. I had a lot of good things to say about Schroeder. I said time is on our side and we could afford to develop him. I even said I wouldn't mind trading down and getting him.

So whatever it is that's blinding your vision, take it off!

We all know Hennigan will do his background check on draftees, even our beloved T.Burke was suspended for "out of character issues".

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.s ... rke_f.html

But this here is alarming, especially if he going to a franchise with young players:

More concerning is the body language he shows on occasion, as he seemingly loses his temper somewhat easily, and can be a bit too demonstrative around his teammates, especially considering his age. He faced harsh criticism for this from his former U18 national team, Kay Blumel: “He's not a bad kid, but sometimes his behavior towards his teammates is not how it should be," the coach told FIBA Europe.com in July of 2011.

"At this time a year ago it was even worse than it is today. He has improved a lot on that and is still improving. I'm telling him that as the point guard you have to be the leader of the team. You need to get your teammates behind you and follow you. And you have to take care of that on and off the court - that everybody likes to play with you."

Schroeder was also suspended for a game last year by (now former) Braunschweig head coach Sebastian Machowski, reportedly for insubordination.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2SypBHfX1
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edit 

Post#1462 » by MoMM » Sat May 11, 2013 12:05 pm

fendilim wrote:When will we know if we get the number one pick?

May 21st.
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Post#1463 » by magicman123 » Sat May 11, 2013 1:43 pm

Schroeder is now being discussed as a lottery pick lol, gotta be a terrible draft
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Post#1464 » by Catledge » Sat May 11, 2013 2:23 pm

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tranjSAIC wrote:Your right the lottery is a gamble but I rather gamble right now while we are trying to rebuild and get assets. We aren't quite ready for signing players and making a run yet in my book.


These next two years are exactly the time to sign players because our cap space will get used up when we have to extend Vooch and Harris in 2015 and Harkless in 2016.


These next two years are exactly the time to avoid signing long contracts, or making a run for the playoffs. It's been 1 year of rebuilding, we still need to evaluate the talent we have, and the talent we will receive (draft picks/trades) but it is not time to waste our cap space on signing rentals.

Vuc/Harris/Harkless will be paid accordingly to what Hennigan believes they are worth in 2015/2016, there's no point in reducing the amount of money we can offer by signing free agents....


And our ability to sign free agents after Vooch, Harris, and Harkless get paid will be significantly diminished, meaning that we will be almost entirely dependent on those guys and our future picks.

The only big money moves I would make this summer are extremely unlikely -- sign and trade for CP3 or trade for Kevin Love -- but it seems to me that we need to be very active in the summer of 2014.
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Post#1465 » by tranjSAIC » Sat May 11, 2013 3:51 pm

JigenDaisuke wrote:I want the #2 pick this year and the #1 pick next year.

Plus 1,000,000 I really don't want to push our luck and try to win the lotto two years in a row. Next year is where it's at.
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Post#1466 » by TheMagicOne » Sat May 11, 2013 4:02 pm

My perfect offseason would net us a line up opening night of the following.

PG - Blake, Moore, Schroeder
SG - Harkless, Brooks, Lamb, Cunningham
SF - Harris, Jones, Taylor
PF - Humphries, Nicholson, Noel (injured list)
C - Vuc & O'Quinn

So how do we get there... Kind of simple, but let me lay it out.

#1 - We win the lottery and draft Noel.

#2 - We have a draft night trade with Dallas that lands us their #13 pick which we have them choose Schroeder.
The trade is as followed:
Orlando trades all three TPE's
Dallas trades Carter, Marion, Cunningham & Schroeder

#3 - we have a draft night trade with Lakers and Nets that is in the link below. From that trade Orlando gets the Nets 2014 pick, Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor and all restrictions removed from the Lakers pick we got in the Howard trade.

#4 - We ship out the vets or cut them in the following deals.
Vince Carter sent to the Bulls for their TPE and hopefully a future second round pick.
Harrington sent to the Grizzlies for their TPE and a future second round pick.
Marion traded to the highest bidder that will net us a future pick or prospect.
Hedo cut from the team.

#5 - We showcase Blake and Humphries for deadline deals.

By the time we deal Humphries, Noel should be ready for his debut. If we can't trade Blake or Humphries by the deadline we cut them.

This scenario gives us 11 players locked in to Rookie deals heading on to the 2014 offseason and the total of their deals will be less than $25 million. Which means we will have roughly $35 million in cap space.

By next summer we should know where are holes are and what free agents to chase. We would not necessarily need to offer up max deals, but could find good up and coming player who we could nab if we struck out on the top free agent prizes.

The 11 players under contract would be:
(I am betting we don't get the top pick next year, but if we get the top pick then Harris or Harkless probably becomes our Version of James Harden and is traded at some point.)
PG - Marcus Smart, Schoeder,
SG - Harkless, Brooks, Lamb
SF - Harris, 2014 pick via Denver
PF - Noel, Nicholson
C - Vuc, O'Quinn
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Post#1467 » by KillMonger » Sat May 11, 2013 4:11 pm

We won't win the lottery this year or next year, just a feeling I have

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Post#1468 » by londoncollin » Sat May 11, 2013 6:47 pm

If we get top three next year I'll be happy.
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Post#1469 » by Smooth_E » Sat May 11, 2013 10:01 pm

TheMagicOne wrote:My perfect offseason would net us a line up opening night of the following.

PG - Blake, Moore, Schroeder
SG - Harkless, Brooks, Lamb, Cunningham
SF - Harris, Jones, Taylor
PF - Humphries, Nicholson, Noel (injured list)
C - Vuc & O'Quinn

So how do we get there... Kind of simple, but let me lay it out.

#1 - We win the lottery and draft Noel.

#2 - We have a draft night trade with Dallas that lands us their #13 pick which we have them choose Schroeder.
The trade is as followed:
Orlando trades all three TPE's
Dallas trades Carter, Marion, Cunningham & Schroeder

#3 - we have a draft night trade with Lakers and Nets that is in the link below. From that trade Orlando gets the Nets 2014 pick, Marshon Brooks, Tyshawn Taylor and all restrictions removed from the Lakers pick we got in the Howard trade.

#4 - We ship out the vets or cut them in the following deals.
Vince Carter sent to the Bulls for their TPE and hopefully a future second round pick.
Harrington sent to the Grizzlies for their TPE and a future second round pick.
Marion traded to the highest bidder that will net us a future pick or prospect.
Hedo cut from the team.

#5 - We showcase Blake and Humphries for deadline deals.

By the time we deal Humphries, Noel should be ready for his debut. If we can't trade Blake or Humphries by the deadline we cut them.

This scenario gives us 11 players locked in to Rookie deals heading on to the 2014 offseason and the total of their deals will be less than $25 million. Which means we will have roughly $35 million in cap space.

By next summer we should know where are holes are and what free agents to chase. We would not necessarily need to offer up max deals, but could find good up and coming player who we could nab if we struck out on the top free agent prizes.

The 11 players under contract would be:
(I am betting we don't get the top pick next year, but if we get the top pick then Harris or Harkless probably becomes our Version of James Harden and is traded at some point.)
PG - Marcus Smart, Schoeder,
SG - Harkless, Brooks, Lamb
SF - Harris, 2014 pick via Denver
PF - Noel, Nicholson
C - Vuc, O'Quinn



..aaaaand despite all that we still end up sucking?
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Post#1470 » by Smooth_E » Sat May 11, 2013 10:02 pm

magicman123 wrote:Schroeder is now being discussed as a lottery pick lol, gotta be a terrible draft


Please tell me this is a joke.
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Post#1471 » by LC_Magic » Sat May 11, 2013 10:03 pm

The MagicOne, there is a lot of variables that need to come together for that all to happen. If we really have the lineup you want on opening night we end up with the worst record in the league in my opinion. I don't think we have to trade Mor or Tobais if we get Wiggins/Parker, there is enough minutes for all those guys, and I think Harris coming off the bench would be BEASTLY!

Also, what if we draft Randle? That's why I want Burke, I think he will be a leader. Not only that, Randle>Noel and Smart, why not get the PG delt with this year in the "weaker" draft and then get the superstar 2,3, or 4?
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Post#1472 » by magicman123 » Sat May 11, 2013 10:33 pm

Smooth_E wrote:
magicman123 wrote:Schroeder is now being discussed as a lottery pick lol, gotta be a terrible draft


Please tell me this is a joke.


if it makes you feel better, sure
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Post#1473 » by 94_MagicFan » Sat May 11, 2013 10:57 pm

Tobias putting in work


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Post#1474 » by Nyce_1 » Sat May 11, 2013 11:00 pm

94_MagicFan wrote:Tobias putting in work


@ProHoops: No False Success. @itzonly1_Ramon @tobias31 @CJMcCollum @mikejawz got after eachother for 2 hours. Straight conditioning through competition

Tobias already building chemistry with CJ!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edit 

Post#1475 » by arsenal6106 » Sat May 11, 2013 11:11 pm

Time to lock this one up!

Here's part 54.

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