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Post#21 » by Jamaaliver » Mon May 13, 2013 10:47 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:It's a fact that a trio of Howard/Horford/Paul gives all three there best chance at winning so I don't think it is as far-fetched as you think IF Howard and Paul are concerned about actually trying to win a ring. I agree about Phil though. He isn't coming to Atlanta.


Again, I respectfully disagree. Don't know if it's a fact that a franchise that has never won a title is the best shot for those guys to win a title.

Both LA franchises have deep pockets and the ability to attract top coaches and players.

HOU with Harden, Smoove and Dwight and coached by McHale could be a potential powerhouse, also.
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Post#22 » by theatlfan » Mon May 13, 2013 11:22 pm

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theatlfan wrote:The last thing here is that I have no idea why anyone would think Ilyasova would even be on the table. He (supposedly) wasn't when we were talking to them at the deadline, so why would they put him on the table now?


Indeed, brother.

It's the same lunacy that has Dwight Howard and Chris Paul turning down more money and contract years to play in Atlanta for Phil Jackson.

We seem to be getting more and more unrealistic regarding what kind of talent we can acquire.

Here's the thing about the CP3 and Dwight coming here talk - you ccan say that there is a .0001% chance that it'd happen, and my response would be "so you're telling me there is a chance!!!" My problem is that if we don't land at least one of them in this FA run, then I'd just assume tanking and going after someone toward the top of the draft next season. There are other nice players on the market (ala AI, Pek, Big Al, Millsap, etc), but none of them would put us over the top. So... yeah, either we're a championship contender or just better off being a loser and letting the BK stink finally wear off. I think we can all agree that we'd prefer the former and the fact that we always seem to show up as an undercard in all the articles about where the two would end up only makes it that much more exciting.

The real part of the discussion that we're not seeing here is that, as of now, we're somewhere around $6M short of being able to offer both of them their max. Would they take less (ala LeBron/Wade/Bosh) to play with each other and go title hunting? Don't think that's likely since we're already fretting over whether Paul would let the last guaranteed year of his contract go. Would/could we dump the salaries to get them the max or close enough to? Could we dump L Williams considering his injury, what he is on the court (when healthy), and what he is off it? If it nets us CP3 and Howard, then I'd attach a 1st to get someone to take him, but I would be sick to my stomach for months from having to trade him. What about dealing Horford for a player making $5-6M to open the room? Don't like dealing Horford since he'd not only be the 3rd AS but also the backup C, but a Teague SNT + Horford could interest a few teams with cap room (SAC and UTH jump to mind and would be fits... maybe DET as well).
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Post#23 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:17 am

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Jamaaliver wrote:
theatlfan wrote:The last thing here is that I have no idea why anyone would think Ilyasova would even be on the table. He (supposedly) wasn't when we were talking to them at the deadline, so why would they put him on the table now?


Indeed, brother.

It's the same lunacy that has Dwight Howard and Chris Paul turning down more money and contract years to play in Atlanta for Phil Jackson.

We seem to be getting more and more unrealistic regarding what kind of talent we can acquire.

Here's the thing about the CP3 and Dwight coming here talk - you ccan say that there is a .0001% chance that it'd happen, and my response would be "so you're telling me there is a chance!!!" My problem is that if we don't land at least one of them in this FA run, then I'd just assume tanking and going after someone toward the top of the draft next season. There are other nice players on the market (ala AI, Pek, Big Al, Millsap, etc), but none of them would put us over the top. So... yeah, either we're a championship contender or just better off being a loser and letting the BK stink finally wear off. I think we can all agree that we'd prefer the former and the fact that we always seem to show up as an undercard in all the articles about where the two would end up only makes it that much more exciting.

The real part of the discussion that we're not seeing here is that, as of now, we're somewhere around $6M short of being able to offer both of them their max. Would they take less (ala LeBron/Wade/Bosh) to play with each other and go title hunting? Don't think that's likely since we're already fretting over whether Paul would let the last guaranteed year of his contract go. Would/could we dump the salaries to get them the max or close enough to? Could we dump L Williams considering his injury, what he is on the court (when healthy), and what he is off it? If it nets us CP3 and Howard, then I'd attach a 1st to get someone to take him, but I would be sick to my stomach for months from having to trade him. What about dealing Horford for a player making $5-6M to open the room? Don't like dealing Horford since he'd not only be the 3rd AS but also the backup C, but a Teague SNT + Horford could interest a few teams with cap room (SAC and UTH jump to mind and would be fits... maybe DET as well).


Paul made 17.8 this year and Dwight made 19.5. I don't see why it would kill them to take this amount and that isn't 6 million short of their max is it? Correct me if I am wrong because I am not an expert on max contracts. With these prices we would have Paul/Horford/Dwight/Lou/Jenkins all signed and be around 56 million. Let's assume there is a $60 million cap next year. That leaves us $4 million before hitting the luxury tax and that's not including the different exceptions that we have at our exposal. I don't see why the front office wouldn't be willing to pay some luxury tax to have a top 3 team in the league either. This can be done.
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Post#24 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:24 am

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:It's a fact that a trio of Howard/Horford/Paul gives all three there best chance at winning so I don't think it is as far-fetched as you think IF Howard and Paul are concerned about actually trying to win a ring. I agree about Phil though. He isn't coming to Atlanta.


Again, I respectfully disagree. Don't know if it's a fact that a franchise that has never won a title is the best shot for those guys to win a title.

Both LA franchises have deep pockets and the ability to attract top coaches and players.

HOU with Harden, Smoove and Dwight and coached by McHale could be a potential powerhouse, also.


So if I'm Howard I have the option to either:

a.) go to Houston and join an established "superstar" who dominates the ball,looks for his shot first and doesn't provide much on defense (sounds a lot like Kobe except Kobe can play D when he wants) along with my friend Josh who shoots 30% from midrange and will be throwing up bricks all day from these spots.

or

b.) I can join a proven floor general who loves nothing more than to get his teammates involved and passes before he looks for a shot along with a stud PF who is signed to one of the best value contracts in the league while shooting 43% from midrange. This PG/PF combo also doesn't mind taking a backseat and letting me be the main guy while Harden/Smith will always look to get their numbers.


If I'm Howard I choose B. I know its still a longshot that we land Howard much less Howard/Paul but it is far from an impossibility. I also agree with ATL that I would rather tank for the lottery than sign any of the major free agents in this class outside of Paul/Howard.
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Post#25 » by parson » Tue May 14, 2013 1:15 am

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theatlfan wrote:The last thing here is that I have no idea why anyone would think Ilyasova would even be on the table. He (supposedly) wasn't when we were talking to them at the deadline, so why would they put him on the table now?


Indeed, brother.

It's the same lunacy that has Dwight Howard and Chris Paul turning down more money and contract years to play in Atlanta for Phil Jackson.

We seem to be getting more and more unrealistic regarding what kind of talent we can acquire.

Don't be messing with my fantasies, now. :upset:



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Post#26 » by ATL Boy » Tue May 14, 2013 1:26 am

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Paul made 17.8 this year and Dwight made 19.5. I don't see why it would kill them to take this amount and that isn't 6 million short of their max is it? Correct me if I am wrong because I am not an expert on max contracts. With these prices we would have Paul/Horford/Dwight/Lou/Jenkins all signed and be around 56 million. Let's assume there is a $60 million cap next year. That leaves us $4 million before hitting the luxury tax and that's not including the different exceptions that we have at our exposal. I don't see why the front office wouldn't be willing to pay some luxury tax to have a top 3 team in the league either. This can be done.

Lux Tax is $75 million. So, after we hit $60 million we can pay the MLE to a number of players before having to go into the Lux Tax.
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Post#27 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 2:11 am

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:So if I'm Howard I have the option to either:

a.) go to Houston

or

b. go to ATL with CP3. (Paraphrasing)


No. Don't be ridiculous. Why would they only have 2 options?

The Lakers have won titles in 4 straight decades. PJ could easily be coaching again their next season. They also have aroster full of players with championship experience.

Dallas has a billionaire owner who scoffs at luxury tax penalties and literally does not care if his team is profitable.

Brooklyn has a billionaire owner who scoffs at luxury tax and believes he can literally buy a championship.

The Clippers....are a solid team on the rise.

Houston has capspace, a hall of famer as coach, a top 10 player in the league (who's only 23!!!!)

There are a myriad of possibilities that could lead to a title. saying it's a fact that coming to ATL is their best shot to win seems...shortsighted.
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Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 2:15 am

ATLHawksfan21 wrote: I also agree with ATL that I would rather tank for the lottery than sign any of the major free agents in this class outside of Paul/Howard.


:o

I hope we do and all the top prospects decide to go back to college.

Would serve us right.
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Post#29 » by theatlfan » Tue May 14, 2013 4:34 am

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Paul made 17.8 this year and Dwight made 19.5. I don't see why it would kill them to take this amount and that isn't 6 million short of their max is it? Correct me if I am wrong because I am not an expert on max contracts. With these prices we would have Paul/Horford/Dwight/Lou/Jenkins all signed and be around 56 million. Let's assume there is a $60 million cap next year. That leaves us $4 million before hitting the luxury tax and that's not including the different exceptions that we have at our exposal. I don't see why the front office wouldn't be willing to pay some luxury tax to have a top 3 team in the league either. This can be done.

Let me be honest here: 10 years ago, I would have had the numbers down to the decimal, but today, I'm more lazy. There are others around here are very capable of putting together the numbers with accuracy so I leave it to them for actually showing the work. For this case though, I remember reading an article (I think about Paul's FA options) which said that we'll have $34M in pure cap space if we renounce all our FAs including Teague and Ivan and use our draft picks. The idea was that we could split the money in 1/2 and pay $17M to each which would be about $1.667M less than the max for Paul and $3.5M for Howard. The ? is whether they would accept. All things considered (missing salary and raises over 3 years to get Bird Rights) Paul would lose about $5.25M by taking the $1.667M up-front hit while Howard's number would come in around $11M over the same 3 years. Meanwhile, the players would still have to risk that in 3 years, the ASG would be willing to shell out over 70% of the cap to a 30 yo C and a 31 yo PG whose game is based on athletic ability. They could take a PO for the 4th year I guess, but they'd be losing even more $$ if they didn't opt out. It would definitely make it more attractive if we could simply offer the max to both of them. It wouldn't match what their respective LA team could offer, but it'd match whatever else was on the market.

OTOH, I do think that the chances of either of them winning a championship would be greater here than their current situations. With Paul, I agree with the naysayers on LAC. LAC's ownership has proven they won't pay the LT and they'll have $45-50M committed to 3 players for the next 3 seasons. Although I think there's still some potential in Griffin's game that can be achieved, I think the rest of the team won't be getting any better - including Jordan. Basically, they're like we were last year - topped out as a 4 seed, doesn't have the ownership that'll simply pay for a championship and I doubt that their GM (someone who has been in the LAC organization for something like 20 years) can do it with the salaries committed and probable assets they'll have. They'll be hoping for a 5/6 seed in a few short years.

As far as LAL, I can't see them being any better next year and they'll be completely hamstrung by the new CBA for as long as Kobe is playing going forward. I don't believe that Kobe would retire at the end of next season and allow his going out party to be him still getting back to a 100% from his Achilles injury. When Kobe went down against GSW, so did their "LeBron run" even if they don't know it yet. Kobe is already commanding 60% of LAL's cap and I don't think LAL's management is willing to cut him or his salary. That $200 gazillion TV contract can't do much to acquire talent when the rules are specifically set against just paying for championships. I don't think Kupchak is a bad GM and their ownership is definitely willing, but there's just no way to climb to elite status with today's CBA when two players take up the entire cap and you don't have the draft picks to supplement the talent.
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Post#30 » by theatlfan » Tue May 14, 2013 4:52 am

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Paul made 17.8 this year and Dwight made 19.5. I don't see why it would kill them to take this amount and that isn't 6 million short of their max is it? Correct me if I am wrong because I am not an expert on max contracts. With these prices we would have Paul/Horford/Dwight/Lou/Jenkins all signed and be around 56 million. Let's assume there is a $60 million cap next year. That leaves us $4 million before hitting the luxury tax and that's not including the different exceptions that we have at our exposal. I don't see why the front office wouldn't be willing to pay some luxury tax to have a top 3 team in the league either. This can be done.

Lux Tax is $75 million. So, after we hit $60 million we can pay the MLE to a number of players before having to go into the Lux Tax.
??? Not sure what you're saying here. You can use an exception (excepting the Bi-Annual Exception which has the obvious timeline) once per year although you can split the exception and pay two or more players an amount totaling that exception. Also, if you use cap room to sign FAs outright, then you the MLE you get is called a "Room MLE" which yields $2.625M next season - about $.5M less than the Taxpayer MLE and about 1/2 of the non-Tax MLE.
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Post#31 » by tcorbin » Tue May 14, 2013 5:02 am

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tcorbin wrote:I'm not totally sure about this, but i think if the Buck re-sign Ellis, then they will need a sign and trade to fit Josh into their cap space.

In addition, maybe the notion of aquiring Josh for the Bucks would make it easier for MIL to persuade Monta to return to the Bucks..... I think.


So why not trade Ilyasova to another team for a draft pick. Why trade Ilyasova and a 1st rounder for a player that you can sign without giving anything up. They could trade Ilyasova and their first for a lotto pick. Or trade Ilyasova for a late 1st or early 2nd.


only lotto teams that have cap space can do such a trade, and the lotto team that have cap space would not be interested in at 27yr Ilyasova

in addition, a lotto pick would add another $1-2 million to the Bucks' cap space.

Bucks would need money to spend on Josh and in addition, have extra for Ellis and Jennings (and maybe Redick)...... but then again, i really have no idea what direction the Bucks want to take going forward, especially with regards to Ellis and Jennings
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Post#32 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:43 pm

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:
tcorbin wrote:I'm not totally sure about this, but i think if the Buck re-sign Ellis, then they will need a sign and trade to fit Josh into their cap space.

In addition, maybe the notion of aquiring Josh for the Bucks would make it easier for MIL to persuade Monta to return to the Bucks..... I think.


So why not trade Ilyasova to another team for a draft pick. Why trade Ilyasova and a 1st rounder for a player that you can sign without giving anything up. They could trade Ilyasova and their first for a lotto pick. Or trade Ilyasova for a late 1st or early 2nd.


only lotto teams that have cap space can do such a trade, and the lotto team that have cap space would not be interested in at 27yr Ilyasova

in addition, a lotto pick would add another $1-2 million to the Bucks' cap space.

Bucks would need money to spend on Josh and in addition, have extra for Ellis and Jennings (and maybe Redick)...... but then again, i really have no idea what direction the Bucks want to take going forward, especially with regards to Ellis and Jennings


I don't know which direction the Bucks are looking to go either but I think it's a guarantee that they won't be bringing back Jennings and Ellis. Maybe 1 but no way do they bring back both. ESPN is also reporting that the Bucks are in talks with Jerry Sloan for their head coach position. I don't see Sloan getting along with Jennings, Ellis or Josh.
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Post#33 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:02 pm

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This current Lakers team is not going to sniff a title as currently constructed. Kobe is going to miss a good chuck of the season next year as well. Dwight won't win in LAL until the current team is disbanded and then rebuilt.

Brooklyn? Seriously? They have 22-25 million tied up for the next 3 years in the two worst contracts in the league. No team in the league will touch JJ or Wallace's contract. They also have Humphries on the books for 12 million but they may be able to move him because he will be an expiring. The only two decent pieces they have are at PG and C with Deron and Lopez. They would have to get rid of Lopez to get Howard or have to get rid of DWill to get Paul. The Nets just lost to a Bulls team that was missing half of its starting rotation. No way in hell is Brooklyn a better opportunity at a title.

Clippers. I have already stated why this Clippers team is a bad situation for Paul. Griffin and Jordan haven't improved at all since their rookie season and they will make 27.5 million next season. The rest of the team is loaded with a bunch of players on the downside of their career. You like to mention "why would they come to a team that has never won a title", well the Clippers organizational history is far worse than the Hawks and they share a building with the most accomplished team in the league.

Houston. Paul and Harden both need the ball in their hand to be effective. Lebron and Wade were the same way but the difference was they were both elite defenders and Wade was an elite off-the-ball cutter. Harden is not an elite defender and is not a top 10 player. Harden would be an average player if he didn't get superstar calls. He struggled badly against the Heat in the Finals last year and in the first round this year. It's because he has no midrange game. He shoots 30% on shots that are not 3 ptrs or layups. Thats turrible.

Dallas is the one team that does have an argument. It just comes down to if they would rather have a 36 year old Dirk who is an elite scorer or a well-rounded Horford who is much younger and will provide elite defense along with solid offensive play. The main difference being Dirk can take over a game on offense where Horford cant. I don't think an elite offensive player is needed as much as a well rounded offensive player who plays elite defense. With Dirk, you have to wonder how many years he has left. His game doesn't rely on athleticism but he has a lot of miles on his 7' frame. I think ATL gets the nod because Paul can take over a game on the offensive end. A post presence of Howard and Horford trumps any post defense in the league by a mile.
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Post#34 » by theatlfan » Tue May 14, 2013 2:20 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:I don't know which direction the Bucks are looking to go either but I think it's a guarantee that they won't be bringing back Jennings and Ellis. Maybe 1 but no way do they bring back both. ESPN is also reporting that the Bucks are in talks with Jerry Sloan for their head coach position. I don't see Sloan getting along with Jennings, Ellis or Josh.
I actually think Josh and Sloan would make a surprisingly good combo. Sloan ran the PNR with Stockton and Malone to the point that Stockton became the all-time Assists leader while Malone ran up to the #2 position in points. I could see Smoove running the PNR and being pretty good at it considering his athleticism. It would also keep him off the perimeter - at least as a shooter.

I don't, however, see Sanders and Smith as a particularly good combo, but they surprised me when they went for Josh at the deadline, so maybe their FO disagrees with me.
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Post#35 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 2:50 pm

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:I don't know which direction the Bucks are looking to go either but I think it's a guarantee that they won't be bringing back Jennings and Ellis. Maybe 1 but no way do they bring back both. ESPN is also reporting that the Bucks are in talks with Jerry Sloan for their head coach position. I don't see Sloan getting along with Jennings, Ellis or Josh.
I actually think Josh and Sloan would make a surprisingly good combo. Sloan ran the PNR with Stockton and Malone to the point that Stockton became the all-time Assists leader while Malone ran up to the #2 position in points. I could see Smoove running the PNR and being pretty good at it considering his athleticism. It would also keep him off the perimeter - at least as a shooter.

I don't, however, see Sanders and Smith as a particularly good combo, but they surprised me when they went for Josh at the deadline, so maybe their FO disagrees with me.



The Stockton/Malone PNR was so successful because Malone could actually hit the FT line extended jumper. In fact, Malone took more shots from that range than any other range on the court. With Josh setting a PNR at the top of the key, you just need to sag off of him and guard the drive. Leave the jumper open to him and he will take it everytime like we have all been witnesses to. I would think that Sloan would be ready to pull his hair out after so many missed long 2's and 3's by Josh.
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Post#36 » by theatlfan » Tue May 14, 2013 5:33 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:The Stockton/Malone PNR was so successful because Malone could actually hit the FT line extended jumper. In fact, Malone took more shots from that range than any other range on the court. With Josh setting a PNR at the top of the key, you just need to sag off of him and guard the drive. Leave the jumper open to him and he will take it everytime like we have all been witnesses to. I would think that Sloan would be ready to pull his hair out after so many missed long 2's and 3's by Josh.
I do agree that the standard option for the PNR, the Pick 'N' Pop, isn't quite there with Smoove but I'm sure that someone who has run the system as long as Sloan has can make some adjustments for this. If Smoove's defender sags off, then that would leave the ball handler with some open space for a jumper or a dribble drive if the defender turns his head and follows Smith. The defender has to hedge against the ball handler (especially with speedsters like Jennings and Ellis) which should give Smith the step against his defender to the lane.

My problem is that if they keep Reddick and Ilyasova as bombers, then it'd have to be Sanders defender to help with Josh. This is why I don't see those 2 as a fit. It would be just as well to let Sanders run the PNR and get another bomber out there opposed to forcing Smoove in.
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Post#37 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 9:23 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:This current Lakers team is not going to sniff a title as currently constructed.


That's kind of the point. The Lakers have won titles in 4 straight decades.

The Lakers have appeared in the NBA Finals 7 times in the last 14 years. Winning 5.

There have been multiple versions of that roster that have gotten the job done

In two years, LA will look completely different and (if Dwight stays) D12 will be the focus with a new set of free agent signees.

How can a team that is constantly in the NBA Finals, for decade after decade, that attracts top talent, coaches, has more revenue than most other US sport franchises and has the greatest NBA coach in history on speed dial be a worse option for winning than a franchise that has never made it past the 2nd round.

Seriously?

I hate LA...but they always win. They always get the elite players.

The Hawks are at best mediocre. 50+ years of evidence backs this up.
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Post#38 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 9:52 pm

^I mean, in one year Pau comes off the books. Kobe comes off the books. MWP will be amnestied (at some point). They are one year from having enough salary space to pursue top FAs in the summer of 2014.
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Post#39 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Tue May 14, 2013 9:53 pm

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ATLHawksfan21 wrote:This current Lakers team is not going to sniff a title as currently constructed.


That's kind of the point. The Lakers have won titles in 4 straight decades.

The Lakers have appeared in the NBA Finals 7 times in the last 14 years. Winning 5.

There have been multiple versions of that roster that have gotten the job done

In two years, LA will look completely different and (if Dwight stays) D12 will be the focus with a new set of free agent signees.

How can a team that is constantly in the NBA Finals, for decade after decade, that attracts top talent, coaches, has more revenue than most other US sport franchises and has the greatest NBA coach in history on speed dial be a worse option for winning than a franchise that has never made it past the 2nd round.

Seriously?

I hate LA...but they always win. They always get the elite players.

The Hawks are at best mediocre. 50+ years of evidence backs this up.


Do you ever have anything positive to say about the team? Are you this pessimistic in all aspects of life? If you are Dwight, why wait 2 years in hopes that LAL is able to put a championship caliber team around you when you could join a legit contender this year.

and can you actually give some on-court reasoning as to why you think the teams you listed would be better options. I would especially like to hear your reasoning as to why Brooklyn would be a better option.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#40 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 10:15 pm

^Again. you lie and misquote me all the time.

ALL. THE. TIME.

But our team has 50 years of mediocrity.

People often ask why I root for the Hawks. My answer...geography.

My team has made more mistakes in the last decade than almost any other NBA franchise:

The Isiah Rider Trade.

Trading Diaw. Drafting Marvin. Drafting Chill. Drafting Shelden. Drafting Acie Law.

Hiring Woody. Hiring Drew.

Making JJ a max player.

The Belkin fiasco.

Passing on Pau Gasol for Shareef.

Trading Dominique.

The failed sale of the team.

But I'm here Everyday. On multiple sites, blogs, mailing lists. I love my team. Even though they rarely deserve my love. I've bled for this team for multiple decades. In that time we have won...nothing. No division titles. Not conference titles. No NBA titles. No MVPs. No first team all NBA. No Rookies of the Year.

But 'm here. Everyday.

But just because I love this franchise doesn't mean I'll accept poor decision making.

Putting all our eggs on two guys who've never won a title guarantees nothing. Especially with LeBron in his prime. In our same division.

I give credit where it's due. (Horford, Drew, Ferry, Phillips Arena)

I call foul where I see fouls (Josh Smith, the above list) and there many fouls.

But I won't just drink the Kool-Aid and foolishly accept every poor decision the flawed leadership hands me.
Seen too much in my 20+ years of Atlanta Fandom.

Only the Hawks have maintained mediocrity and accepted it, year after year, decade after decade.
I want desperately to see them excel. And when they finally do....

I'll be here. Because i love my team. And I love Basketball.

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