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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#41 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 14, 2013 10:26 pm

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:and can you actually give some on-court reasoning as to why you think the teams you listed would be better options. I would especially like to hear your reasoning as to why Brooklyn would be a better option.


And you keep making assumptions based on current rosters. Not based on a team's capability to improve

my reasoning:

Deron And Dwight = good.

Prokorov will pay anything to get more good players.

He literally does not care about cost.

Prokorov will pay anything to get a top coach.

He literally does not care about costs.

There's only one other owner in American Sports who operates that way: Mark Cuban.

Billionaires who will change their entire roster, front office or coaching staffs on a whim.

Prokorov does not care about luxury tax.

Dwight wanted to go there. He got screwed. If Prokorov can find a way to make it happen...he will.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#42 » by tcorbin » Wed May 15, 2013 1:26 am

If we are talking about Trades and Chris Paul.... then we can also be talking about the hypothetical of a Jeff Teague trade.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#43 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Wed May 15, 2013 1:49 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
ATLHawksfan21 wrote:and can you actually give some on-court reasoning as to why you think the teams you listed would be better options. I would especially like to hear your reasoning as to why Brooklyn would be a better option.


And you keep making assumptions based on current rosters. Not based on a team's capability to improve

my reasoning:

Deron And Dwight = good.

Prokorov will pay anything to get more good players.

He literally does not care about cost.

Prokorov will pay anything to get a top coach.

He literally does not care about costs.

There's only one other owner in American Sports who operates that way: Mark Cuban.

Billionaires who will change their entire roster, front office or coaching staffs on a whim.

Prokorov does not care about luxury tax.

Dwight wanted to go there. He got screwed. If Prokorov can find a way to make it happen...he will.


I agree 100% that prior Hawks front offices have made terrible blunders throughout the history of the franchise, but the past is the past. If I am a free agent I am worried about the current situation of that team and if I feel confident in the current management and front office of that team.

How did I misquote you?
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#44 » by Years80HAWKS » Thu May 16, 2013 4:30 pm

Selecting Gasol and sending him to the Grizzlies for Abdur-Rahim was just nuts. It proved that nobody in this franchise had any f***ing idea of international basketball, because Gasol was sure to become the heck of a player he is/has been.That could have changed the face of our franchise for ten years.

Then, selecting Marvin or Acie Law IV (do not forget he is the fourth) before other incredible players was just awful.

But I truly believe our time has come. Last year we made a move that I thought we would never do: get a really good and known GM, who wants to do a good job everyday he is paid for, and who comes to the office with the thinking of making the Hawks a better team. I really hope Ferry will make all the people around think different. Enough of going to work just to do an average work. Enough of being happy just getting to the POs. Enough of being satisfied with being in the league.

Let's think big. Let's try to convince Howard, Paul, whoever to play here with a good coach, a good roster (Horford, Williams, Teague, Josh?, Jenkins, Zaza? is not an average roster.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#45 » by parson » Fri May 17, 2013 1:57 pm

Seeking SNTs for Smith is just Ferry doing his due diligence. Truth is, we cast our die when we rejected a trade for him at the deadline. Except for some situation where all the events line up perfectly, we won't be getting anything for Mr. Smith.

And I'm fine with that - as we've always said, we would be happier with his cap space than with settling.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#46 » by Jamaaliver » Sat May 18, 2013 6:08 pm

parson wrote:Seeking SNTs for Smith is just Ferry doing his due diligence. Truth is, we cast our die when we rejected a trade for him at the deadline. Except for some situation where all the events line up perfectly, we won't be getting anything for Mr. Smith.

And I'm fine with that - as we've always said, we would be happier with his cap space than with settling.


Understood. But, again, we had opportunities to trade Josh last spring for lottery picks.

That would have left us with cap space and top young talent.

-ATL and CLE were in talks to trade Josh and Marvin for Jamison's expiring contract and their lottery pick.
-DET long coveted Josh and would have considered trading josh for their top 10 pick before the draft last summer.
-NJ shopped their pick last spring for a veteran Forward and ended up trading it for Gerald Wallace instead. Their pick was later used to draft the unanimous ROY and star in the making Damian Lillard.

There were opportunites to acquire top young talent while taking on limited contracts. Too bad Ferry was hired about 3 months too late.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#47 » by tcorbin » Tue May 21, 2013 10:38 am

Ferry will offer $67 million for 5 years. Josh and his agent will go around and get a few offers, he might get an offer of $60 million for 4 years, but i think in the very end Josh will end up re-signing with the Hawks because it is the most money and it is a guaranteed extra $7 million in his 5th year.

Josh is better than Rudy Gay, but i think the NBA has learned its lesson and will not give out another over reaching Rudy Gay size contract to a borderline all star player.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#48 » by Jamaaliver » Tue May 21, 2013 2:52 pm

It could happen. But why would we expect the next 5 years with Josh to be better than the last five years of Josh?

Feuding with coaches. Bad shot selection. Poor decision making at the worst possible moments. Teams that go nowhere. Getting booed by the home crowd. Being undersized and outrebounded every team.

When do we finally realize it just deosn't work? 10 years is long enough.
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#49 » by azuresou1 » Tue May 21, 2013 3:12 pm

5/67 is an overpay, and TBQH I think it's time that we both moved on, for everyone's sake.

This is like sticking around in a relationship when neither of you is happy and you both want to see other people... why torture ourselves?
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith 

Post#50 » by parson » Tue May 21, 2013 4:12 pm

I'd be happy to take Smith at the right price. For example, 5/50 would be great, IF we can't sign Howard and Paul.

We've been worried about keeping him for years - let HIM worry about pleasing us for awhile ... and pay him so reasonably that he KEEPS worrying.
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