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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#361 » by Ruzious » Thu May 16, 2013 1:53 pm

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verbal8 wrote:The Wizards late 2nd probably isn't a huge asset, but it might be a good place to get a back-up SG.

The prospects are rather interesting

Snaer - good defense/size, mixed offensively - outside shooting good, not good 2pt%
Vander Blue and Brandon Paul seem similar, slightly undersized, good defensive potential, ok, but not great outside shooting - low 30s 3pt%
Seth Curry - small, defensive liability, great pure shooter, produced offensively in a variety of roles in his college career

I think Seth Curry may not be more than a 10 to 15 mpg player, but he also seems to have the best chance of sticking in the NBA.


That late in the draft you go for guys who have a documented NBA skill. Having guys that are below average at everything isn't going to stick. I'd go for Curry.

Agreed. Snaer made some clutch shots, but he's not an NBA prospect, imo. BPaul can look great one moment and terrible the next. That kind of inconcistency doesn't lead to a long NBA career. But there's some hope there.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#362 » by verbal8 » Thu May 16, 2013 1:53 pm

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Benjammin wrote:Apparently BBIQ is the acronym of the season for draft prospects. In my feeble mind, that's barbecue IQ, and certainly that's an important consideration for our potential draft picks.

Nope - 2 different things. One makes you fat, the other makes you a better basketball player. Blatche got them mixed up, too.


He was concentrating more on developing his LDIQ(Lap Dance IQ)
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#363 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 16, 2013 2:21 pm

With the last second round pick Zeke Marshall would be an excellent selection.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxIJOtfVgg&sns=em[/youtube]

He's seven feet tall. He led the nation in blocked shots. He improved all four years in college. He will become a great finisher in the NBA. Zeke Marshall might be the most underrated player in this draft.

That video makes me think he's probably a decent stretch four, in the mold of a PJ Brown.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#364 » by Dat2U » Thu May 16, 2013 2:41 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:With the last second round pick Zeke Marshall would be an excellent selection.

He's seven feet tall. He led the nation in blocked shots. He improved all four years in college. He will become a great finisher in the NBA. Zeke Marshall might be the most underrated player in this draft.


I know one game doesn't mean anything but I watched the VCU v, Akron game in the Tourney. His impact was muted because the Akron guards were getting pillaged but I wasn't overly impressed. Is he strong enough play at the next level? He doesn't seem to make much of an impact on the boards either. He's got a decent amount of offensive skill but a small college center that doesn't rebound isn't going to go very far IMO.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#365 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu May 16, 2013 2:59 pm

Dat, tell me what you think of his workout and my PJ Brown comment.

I agree Marshall is too weak to put in the post, but he has range and some offensive tools to go along with his shot blocking. I could see the Spurs drafting that kid and developing him.

I think he's got some skills that would make him really effective with Washington.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#366 » by Nivek » Thu May 16, 2013 3:33 pm

Pending the physical stuff, Marshall rates as a late 1st round pick in YODA. He'd seem to be a good value in the late 2nd round, if he's still available.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#368 » by Ruzious » Thu May 16, 2013 3:55 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:With the last second round pick Zeke Marshall would be an excellent selection.


He's seven feet tall. He led the nation in blocked shots. He improved all four years in college. He will become a great finisher in the NBA. Zeke Marshall might be the most underrated player in this draft.

That video makes me think he's probably a decent stretch four, in the mold of a PJ Brown.

Looks an intriguing developmental project - if he can get with a good strength coach. But when I hear stretch 4, I think of someone who's a 3 point shooting threat. Looking at his stats, he's clearly not. Then again, neither was Brown. Also looking at his stats - you gotta wonder how a guy that long and athletic was such a mediocre rebounder at a small school. But he could be a late bloomer.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#369 » by Rafael122 » Thu May 16, 2013 4:37 pm

When I think stretch 4, I think Jamison but with much better defense. Can knock down the jump shot, maybe has 3 point range as well, low post game and can grab some boards.

Bennett fills what...2 or 3 of those characteristics?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#370 » by Deeptu McPullup » Thu May 16, 2013 4:46 pm

Hey everybody, the combine is on, the combine is on!

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No one can score on Rudy Gobert inside the paint. Block, deflections, steals. Changing everything around the rim.

Shabazz Muhammad really struggling so far. Shots not falling and couldn't create much in the one on ones. Did compete defensively, though.


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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#371 » by Dat2U » Thu May 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Zeke Marshall might be worth a summer league look and his advanced numbers are pretty good, but he doesn't pass the "eye test" for me.

I saw in the SI link how some GMs are calling Ben McLemore a can't miss prospect. I feel like I'm in the real minority on him. Same with Muhammad. Even in the mid lottery, i think he's overrated. I laughed at the Paul Pierce/Rudy Gay comparison. There's a massive gap performance wise b/w those 2. I could see Muhammad putting up Rudy Gay type efficiency numbers as a high volume scorer. That's the main reason I don't want him. Rudy Gay isn't helping you win squat.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#372 » by AFM » Thu May 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Thanks for the updates Deeptu. Is there somewhere I can follow the combine outside of twitter?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#373 » by AFM » Thu May 16, 2013 5:01 pm

nbadraft.net has updated their profile for shabazz muhammad

Strengths: Fierce competitor with a scorers mentality ... Displays a killer instinct missing from many other prospect's games ... Uses screens to create catch-and-shoot opportunities well ... Quick lefty release, solid mechanices with range out to three point territory ... Can use his body to create space and get shots off near the basket ... Length (6-11 + wingspan) helps him get his shot off and create post-up opportunities against smaller wings ... Not afraid of contact and has the ability to get to the line at a high rate ... Was very proficient as an offensive rebounder, has a nose for the ball ... Developed a runner that looks very promising and was quite difficult to stop ... Noted for a strong work ethic, plays with a chip on his shoulder ... Wants the ball in the clutch and not shaken in end of game situations ... Length gives him potential as a defender ... Athleticism is quite solid and has an ability to play major minutes at optimum conditioning level ... Makes his move very quickly, does not stop the ball or take a lot of time off of the clock ... Shows a strong passion for the game and a will to improve ...

Weaknesses: Has trouble creating his own shot off of the dribble, shooting percentage plummets when he puts the ball on the floor ... Not a fluid athlete. Movements and overall skills appear rigid and herky jerky ... Far too reliant on his left hand, opponents know to force him to the right, and it severely limits his effectiveness ... His defensive awareness was severely tested during his lone year of college ball, must improve awareness on that side of the court ... Must improve shot selection ... Could stand to fine tune his jumpshot, become more efficient as a foul shooter ... His lack of statistical defensive production made some question his focus and energy on that end of the court ... Body language was a concern at certain points and made him appear at odds with teammates, even if that was not the case ... Sometimes gets tunnel vision, when guarded by multiple defenders will still look to shoot as opposed for looking to pass to an open teammate ... Defensive footwork can use a lot of fine tuning as far as guarding the perimeter ... Ball handling needs improvement, which most likely relegates him to the SF spot ... Despite having solid length, may be a tad undersized for the SF spot and could have a hard time at both ends of the floor against wings with greater length ... Piled up a number of injuries during his time on the UCLA campus, so question marks could arise surrounding durability ...

Notes: Shabazz is afflicted with Tourette's Syndrome, though has seemingly dealt with it quite well. Still there are side effects sometimes associated with Tourettes that must be considered (depression, OCD, ADD) ... Some say there may be character issues, especially after finding out his father misled the media regarding his age ... While the question marks surrounding his age are legitimate, he was always a proficient scorer at any level playing against his own age group and even against older competition ... Wings with his ability to score the basketball, as well as possessing his athleticism, length and energy are still a relatively rare commodity in the NBA ... Despite going through a long process in gaining eligibility in the NCAA, Shabazz only had one single digit scoring game and did not miss any games after his early season three game suspension ... Despite a decline in his draft stock from his early season standing as a top 3 pick, Shabazz is still a desirable prospect and should be taken in the top 10 in a weak draft class. If he falls much further than 10, teams could ultimately regret it ...

Seems pretty spot on. I think his athleticism was hampered by his weight gain and then rapid weight loss due to the flu or whatever he had at UCLA. He had more lift before IMO.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#374 » by Deeptu McPullup » Thu May 16, 2013 5:03 pm

AFM, I think Twitter would be the best. Hoopsworld has a twitter box on the front page with loads of media heads in it, though its down for me now.

Probably best to just get the recap later, really.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#375 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu May 16, 2013 5:07 pm

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#376 » by AFM » Thu May 16, 2013 5:07 pm

Actually Deeptu it looks like you can watch the combine on ESPNU. I don't get that channel, but if anyone has an XBOX with Xbox Live, you can usually stream ESPNU for free on there.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#377 » by Dark Faze » Thu May 16, 2013 5:43 pm

Dipo says he measured out at just a tick over 6'4 in shoes. I don't like him much after that measurement, him being closer to 6'5 was what you wanted for him to have the defensive chops you're looking for, and offensively there isn't enough of a resume to be high on him as a shooter.

McLemore said he was 6'3 without shoes which can't be right. Beal was 6'3.25. Mclemore being shorter than Beal would be stunning.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#378 » by Dat2U » Thu May 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Dipo says he measured out at just a tick over 6'4 in shoes. I don't like him much after that measurement, him being closer to 6'5 was what you wanted for him to have the defensive chops you're looking for, and offensively there isn't enough of a resume to be high on him as a shooter.

McLemore said he was 6'3 without shoes which can't be right. Beal was 6'3.25. Mclemore being shorter than Beal would be stunning.


Height doesn't mean much to me. I'm much more interested in seeing the standing reach & wingspan.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#379 » by closg00 » Thu May 16, 2013 5:53 pm

Deeptu McPullup wrote:Hey everybody, the combine is on, the combine is on!

Tweeters gonna tweet:

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress
No one can score on Rudy Gobert inside the paint. Block, deflections, steals. Changing everything around the rim.

Shabazz Muhammad really struggling so far. Shots not falling and couldn't create much in the one on ones. Did compete defensively, though.


You guys must be thrilled about Ernie there with a French center having a monster game after how well things have gone with Kevin and Pierre. I mean, when you're on a roll, you ride it, right?


Actually Dario Saric is said to have received a lottery pick promise, you know that will be Ernie's pick at 9 :wink:
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#380 » by Nivek » Thu May 16, 2013 6:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Dipo says he measured out at just a tick over 6'4 in shoes. I don't like him much after that measurement, him being closer to 6'5 was what you wanted for him to have the defensive chops you're looking for, and offensively there isn't enough of a resume to be high on him as a shooter.

McLemore said he was 6'3 without shoes which can't be right. Beal was 6'3.25. Mclemore being shorter than Beal would be stunning.


Height doesn't mean much to me. I'm much more interested in seeing the standing reach & wingspan.


Agree. The important measure is reach.
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