I want Detroit to draft Shabazz

bardobeing · Post #21 » by **bardobeing** » Fri May 17, 2013 12:28 pm

Here's what worries me from ESPN:

...one-dimensional player... Muhammad's not an elite defender or a great rebounder and doesn't really get others involved, but he's a guy who can get you 20 points a night.

Pharaoh · Post #22 » by **Pharaoh** » Fri May 17, 2013 12:47 pm

Time will tell the tale on Bazz

Either he takes it personally that he'll fall to the mid/late Lotto and applies himself to succeeding in the NBA... or he flakes out and ends up being one of those "remember when he was great in high school" players

It's up to Bazz IMO. I think he has certain tools that are too good to ignore, but if his attitude and his athletic testing let him down then such is life... we move on and pick someone else.

This is why franchises spend what they spend on scouting and testing... we need to get this pick right!

Here's hoping we do

rmfc · Post #23 » by **rmfc** » Fri May 17, 2013 1:05 pm

bardobeing wrote:Here's what worries me from ESPN:

...one-dimensional player... Muhammad's not an elite defender or a great rebounder and doesn't really get others involved, but he's a guy who can get you 20 points a night.

We all know this already. What seems to be underrated about Shabazz is his ability to get to the FT line(and making those FTs) in every game. He is not just a chucker. He, actually, attacks the basket relentlessly.

Shabazz's flaws are obvious and I really dislike some of those flaws(no team mentality? tunnel vision? suspect defense? SG/SF tweener?). And yeah...where he goes from here is all on him(and his father?). He coule be a Nick Young or he could be a game changer.

Shabazz would probably be the BPA at #7.

DetroitDon15 · Post #24 » by **DetroitDon15** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:19 pm

theBigLip wrote:As much as Bazz makes me nervous, 2 things I like about him at the combine:
1. He is trying to be a SG
2. He is going to work out - probably the highest ranking player to do so. Most guys in his position just get measured and interviewed. Good for him.

But things that make me nervous:
1. He has a crazy dad
2. He is 20
3. Not sure if he is athletic enough to be a SG at the next level

I don't agree with either of these points. 20 is still young. He is one year older than previously thought. I am ok with that. I think he can be athletic enough but at 6'6" I think he can gaurd SFs if need be in a small line-up allah Paul Pierce who is 6'6". I am hoping Shabazz can be another PP and i'd be happy. He's a perfect fit for us. He address our biggest need which is primeter scoring.

pistontr · Post #25 » by **pistontr** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:36 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/videos-nba-draft-combine-chicago

Pick apart his game all you want- I love this kids competitiveness, effort and attitude. He's not going to shy away from the big moment, and would probably get into a fist fight with Villanueva before training camp commenced because Shabazz would be riding his ass for being lazy.

And really, how many "elite" shooting guards are there in the NBA that he would be forced to guard? Kobe and Wade? Both on the tail ends of their careers, Kobe might never even be Kobe again. Harden, sure, but he's in the west. Who else?

he is not SG

pistontr · Post #26 » by **pistontr** » Fri May 17, 2013 2:42 pm

he is taller ben gordon

Goldtop · Post #27 » by **Goldtop** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:40 pm

pistontr wrote:
ImHeisenberg wrote:http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/videos-nba-draft-combine-chicago

Pick apart his game all you want- I love this kids competitiveness, effort and attitude. He's not going to shy away from the big moment, and would probably get into a fist fight with Villanueva before training camp commenced because Shabazz would be riding his ass for being lazy.

And really, how many "elite" shooting guards are there in the NBA that he would be forced to guard? Kobe and Wade? Both on the tail ends of their careers, Kobe might never even be Kobe again. Harden, sure, but he's in the west. Who else?

he is not SG

He said himself he's a SG. He's 6-6, 220lb. Prototypical SG size and he's a great shooter. How is he not a SG?

Clarity · Post #28 » by **Clarity** » Fri May 17, 2013 3:56 pm

DetroitPistons wrote:Sounds like Shabazz knows our situation pretty well. I think he's spot on and still the guy I want. I have him and Porter as 1a and 1b.

I am intrigued with Shabazz saying hes gonna play the 2 in the pros.

I have maintained all along that a weakness in his game right now in his ability to go 1 on 1 will get better, when reporters asked him who he patterns his game after he mentioned he mimics footwork which is such an advanced answer for a 20 year old. It further backed up my belief.

He currently shoots the lights out & excels both off the ball & in P&R which fits us perfectly. Plus his post game is very good which allows us to use him in limited post iso's as well. Thats a game changer in mismatches & even against other 2's because of Shabazz's size.

Post #29 » by **theBigLip** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:01 pm

From the Draft Camp yesterday...

The NBA also charted shooting drills on Thursday. Here was the leaderboard:

Top shooters: Mike Muscala (76 percent), Tony Snell (74 percent), Reggie Bullock and Grant Jerrett (72 percent), Allen Crabbe (70 percent).

Worst shooters : Myck Kabongo (32 percent), Shabazz Muhammad (36 percent), Andre Roberson (42 percent)

Goldtop · Post #30 » by **Goldtop** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:02 pm

Vincent Ellis ‏@Vincent_Ellis56 2h
RT @JayBilas: Shabazz Muhammad measures under 6-5 (w/o shoes) at Draft Combine. Ben Howland's offense blamed for Muhammad's lack of height.

Post #31 » by **theBigLip** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:36 pm

More from the combine around measurements:

Small forwards
As far as small forwards go, Otto Porter was big, measuring 6-7.5 in socks and 6-8.5 in shoes. He has a very long 7-1.5 wing.

Of notable concern, Shabazz Muhammad was much smaller, measuring just 6-4.75 in socks and 6-6.25 in shoes. He does have a 6-11 wingspan. However, another general manager seemed very troubled by this revelation.

"It's a problem. If you're on the fence about him, this could push you off," the GM said. "As a shot-creator, size matters. Especially with the length of the new wave of small forwards like Paul George. His wingspan helps, but only if he plays defense. And he doesn't."

As a comparison, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist measured 6-7.5 in shoes with a 7-foot wingspan.

Clarity · Post #32 » by **Clarity** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:43 pm

theBigLip wrote:As much as Bazz makes me nervous, 2 things I like about him at the combine:
1. He is trying to be a SG
2. He is going to work out - probably the highest ranking player to do so. Most guys in his position just get measured and interviewed. Good for him.

But things that make me nervous:
1. He has a crazy dad
2. He is 20
3. Not sure if he is athletic enough to be a SG at the next level

on the nervous list, 1 & 2 are irrelevant.

theBigLip wrote:From the Draft Camp yesterday...

The NBA also charted shooting drills on Thursday. Here was the leaderboard:

Top shooters: Mike Muscala (76 percent), Tony Snell (74 percent), Reggie Bullock and Grant Jerrett (72 percent), Allen Crabbe (70 percent).

Worst shooters : Myck Kabongo (32 percent), Shabazz Muhammad (36 percent), Andre Roberson (42 percent)

as many noted yest, you need to not overreact to combine numbers.

Jodi · Post #33 » by **Jodi** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:49 pm

Clarity wrote:I am intrigued with Shabazz saying hes gonna play the 2 in the pros.

He actually said this??? I mean, did those words come clearly out of Shabazz Muhammad's mouth?..I thought the dude was a 3...

ImHeisenberg · Post #34 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri May 17, 2013 4:58 pm

DetroitDon15 wrote:I don't agree with either of these points. 20 is still young. He is one year older than previously thought. I am ok with that. I think he can be athletic enough but at 6'6" I think he can gaurd SFs if need be in a small line-up allah Paul Pierce who is 6'6". I am hoping Shabazz can be another PP and i'd be happy. He's a perfect fit for us. He address our biggest need which is primeter scoring.

I never considered the Paul Pierce comparison. Pierce's rookie line was 16PPG 44% FG, 41% 3pt, 2.4 assists, 6.4 rebounds on a 23% usage rate.

I could see Shabazz putting up similar numbers as a rookie. His rebounding would probably be lower, considering he would have to compete to get boards from not only the other team, but from Moose and Dre.

But, I'm not downplaying how damn good Pierce has been over his career. He came into the league as a gunner, and expanded his entire game. Excellent footwork, leadership, marksman shooting, and developed a great all-around game, mostly out of necessity because he was on some truly awful Celtics teams until the "Big 3" trade happened.

I won't go as far to say that Shabazz could be a future Paul Pierce, but I think he's well worth the risk with the 7th pick in this draft.

ImHeisenberg · Post #35 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:01 pm

Jodi wrote:
Clarity wrote:I am intrigued with Shabazz saying hes gonna play the 2 in the pros.

He actually said this??? I mean, did those words come clearly out of Shabazz Muhammad's mouth?..I thought the dude was a 3...

Yes, you can catch his interviews on Draft Express' youtube channel. He implicitly said "I think I'm a 2 in the NBA", then said part of his shooting struggles was that they lumped him in with the small forwards for the drills.

ImHeisenberg · Post #36 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:06 pm

pistontr wrote:he is not SG

And Paul Pierce isn't a small forward...and Ben Wallace wasn't a center...and Dwyane Wade isn't a shooting guard.

Yeah, a player's height isn't the ultimate factor in a players position or ability.

Clarity · Post #37 » by **Clarity** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:11 pm

Jodi wrote:
Clarity wrote:I am intrigued with Shabazz saying hes gonna play the 2 in the pros.

He actually said this??? I mean, did those words come clearly out of Shabazz Muhammad's mouth?..I thought the dude was a 3...

Yes he did & it is super intriguing based on his size & ability to post up guys alone.

Piston Pete · Post #38 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:13 pm

theBigLip wrote:From the Draft Camp yesterday...

The NBA also charted shooting drills on Thursday. Here was the leaderboard:

Top shooters: Mike Muscala (76 percent), Tony Snell (74 percent), Reggie Bullock and Grant Jerrett (72 percent), Allen Crabbe (70 percent).

Worst shooters : Myck Kabongo (32 percent), Shabazz Muhammad (36 percent), Andre Roberson (42 percent)

i'm on Crabbe watch!

ComboGuardCity · Post #39 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:20 pm

Has there ever been a player stuck between a 2 and a 3? I've never seen it as an issue in the NBA. Stuck players are between the 1/2 and 3/4. Our best perimeter defender would be our 3. They guard the best 2/3. Shabazz playing theb2 makes us so dangerous.

Piston Pete · Post #40 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:34 pm

I would not be upset with picking Shabazz.

I just worry that there wouldn't be much of a dropoff between taking him veresu taking a guy like KCP, Crabbe, Rice or Hardaway later.