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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#561 » by hands11 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:41 pm

DCZards wrote:I wasn't calling you a racist, Hands. Sorry if it came across that way.

Let me leave it at this: As a black man, it brings back memories of a not-too-distant (and racist) past when I see another black man's "smarts" being questioned based on what I consider the flimsiest of reasons--such as how well-spoken he is. Question a player's shooting, his ballhandling, his size, even his character when there have been documented issues--those things are tangible and often easy to see/access. But you're on shaking ground with me when you question another man's intelligence based on what appears to be nothing more than a gut feelling on your part.


But since I find what is between a player ears to be an important part of the evaluation, I comment on it. You take two players with the same physical tangibles and one is going to out perform the other. One is going to fit in a with a team better. One is a leader, one isn't. The reason why is because of all those entangles that are hold in the most complex organ of their being. Whats in their head. I wish there was more measuring of that but there isn't. And it isn't so easy to do. But we do it all the time for other jobs. We get evaluated on that stuff. Measured for our mental strength. Grades at school are part of that. That is why you do a job interviews also. We are judged on our personalities. How we respond to stress, etc.

I see this evaluation no different.

You are putting together a team. You need leaders and followers. You need some good soldier type. But everyone needs to be focused. Hey, you even need some comedy. Webby is good for that. But I never want short bus types like Nick Youngs. You can have them but they only work in a well defined role. I don't want focused on the wrong things planking McGee. Or over talented emotionally damaged best players types like Gil. I also don't want crazy thugs like Critter.

Hey C Barkley was a southern twanged good ol boy. So was Bird. And both were also high IQ basketball players.

But lets not make it out like people are not in part judged by the way they communicate. Of course they are. At least initially until you get to know what is behind the voice.

And AFM. Like I said. I take is all into account. Low assists for a SG or SF to me equates to low BBIQ/Smarts...whatever we are calling it. So does poor defensive focus. So does poor diet.

And as for group think. Sorry AFM. Its part of the human condition. We are all influenced by other in some ways. Sometimes in good ways. Sometimes not.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#562 » by montestewart » Fri May 17, 2013 8:43 pm

Where are the Spurs picking Shabazz?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#563 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:48 pm

nate33 wrote:From Chad Ford:
Otto Porter. 27" standing vert. 36" max vert

Not great numbers, but not awful either. He always looked more smooth than explosive, and the numbers bear this out. He certainly passes the threshold for minimum acceptable athleticism though. He'll be fine with these numbers given his length.


Yeah, those are solid numbers. Better than I expected and they are a bit of a relief. I thought he was a totally grounded player. The thing with him is his height and length are excellent. He's a legit 6'8 with excellent arm length. He should be able to really play passing lanes and contest shots on the perimeter just like Ariza.

But I still think he's not going to go top 3 or 4 like people expect. He's a funny looking player that raises some questions with the eye test. There is some awkwardness when he runs and when he accelerates. A little bit of awkwardness with the ball in his hands. And his jump shot mechanics are really funny looking, which always seems to scare teams a bit.

He's very light too. He's got good muscle tone but he just lacks muscle bulk. So his functional strength isn't very good, he won't be taking the league by storm right off the bat. He's not sculpted like Barnes and Beal were. My theory is that he just hasn't done top notch weight training yet. He came from a tiny little town in the middle of nowhere, I bet his H.S. had no weight training program (or only the most rudimentary one) and so he never got an early start on shaping his body. I could see him getting fairly strong in three years or so. But he's a bit of an ectomorph too.

I think teams will want to take chances on a McLemore or Len, or go for big skill big production guards like McCollum and Burke over taking the next Tayshaun Prince--a nice player but not someone to turn your team around.

That should push Porter near to us. I'm optimistic about him, I think he's the one for us.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#564 » by stevemcqueen1 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:54 pm

Adonis Thomas has some awesome measurables. Anyone know what his verticals were? I'd consider drafting him with the late second rounder just to see if you can make anything out of the physical tools.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#565 » by AFM » Fri May 17, 2013 8:57 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:Adonis Thomas has some awesome measurables. Anyone know what his verticals were? I'd consider drafting him with the late second rounder just to see if you can make anything out of the physical tools.


RT @chadfordinsider: Adonis Thomas. 34.5" standing vert. 40.5 max vert.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#566 » by pancakes3 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:00 pm

His weight is very surprising. He's thin but he doesn't look not gaunt like Prince or Daye. The eye test says Rudy Gay with a conscience and Gay was an 8th overall as well.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#567 » by truwizfan4evr » Fri May 17, 2013 9:40 pm

There's only four more days left to draft lottery hopefully wizards move up 1 or 2 spots.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#568 » by nate33 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:41 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:I think teams will want to take chances on a McLemore or Len, or go for big skill big production guards like McCollum and Burke over taking the next Tayshaun Prince--a nice player but not someone to turn your team around.

That should push Porter near to us. I'm optimistic about him, I think he's the one for us.

You make a good point that his lack of perceived upside might cause him to drop a bit. I find it hard to believe he'll drop all the way to 8, but anything is possible.

Noel goes ahead of him. After that, it's really hard to figure out who goes where. There are about 7 guys who project either to be solid starters or high risk/high reward gambles that could all conceivably be more appealing than Porter:

McLemore (sure-fire starter)
Burke (sure-fire starter with height no longer a concern)
Zeller (skilled, tall, and extremely athletic)
Bennett (higher upside than Porter, though higher bust potential as well)
Oladipo (Porter-like intangibles with higher athletic upside)
Len (Arguably the highest upside of the bigs in the draft
Gobert (somebody might gamble on his upside)

If all those guys go ahead of Porter, Porter slips to #8. But that's about as low as he can get IMO. The players below him are either bench players or starters who play only one end of the court well. McCullom is nice, but more of a 3rd guard. Olynyk might be a solid offensive player, but he'll can't defend. Adams is a one-dimensional defender who hasn't proven enough to be taken ahead of the 2-way Porter. Shabazz seems to be slipping more and more as the draft nears.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#569 » by tontoz » Fri May 17, 2013 9:52 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:There's only four more days left to draft lottery hopefully wizards move up 1 or 2 spots.




I think your "post game" has gotten a little rusty since the season ended. They can't move up 1 or 2 spots. They either move up to top 3 or won't move up at all.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#570 » by nate33 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:55 pm

tontoz wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:There's only four more days left to draft lottery hopefully wizards move up 1 or 2 spots.




I think your "post game" has gotten a little rusty since the season ended. They can't move up 1 or 2 spots. They either move up to top 3 or won't move up at all.

... and we could move down.

We have roughly a 10% chance of picking in the top 3
We have a 72% chance of picking 8th
We have a 17% chance of picking 9th
We have a 1% chance of picking 10th.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#571 » by Dat2U » Fri May 17, 2013 9:56 pm

Noel at 206 does concern me. Next year would be a complete wash for him. It would be all about recovery and working on his body. He's really a project, a very talented one but it may take a few years to show. I could see certain teams not having the stomach to draft a player #1 who won't show anything for a year or two.

I think this may cause him to fall slightly. I think he's still top 5, but I wouldn't pencil him at #1 anymore. I think it really depends on who gets the #1 pick. If the Wizards get the #1 pick, we should trade it, without a doubt. I still like Noel as a prospect, but he's not such a sure thing anymore.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#572 » by barelyawake » Fri May 17, 2013 10:11 pm

Pop in for the draft. I was on the Gobert train before and I'm still aboard. Something to keep in mind, 2 1/2 years ago he was 220. Now, he's 237. That demonstrates his reported work ethic and bodes well for him filling out his frame.

The positives: He doesn't have Kwame hands. He can palm the ball. He enjoys the hook and has worked to develop it (still a work in progress to get it consistent). He recovers well and understands where to go after he blocks, screens or helps on d (and has the quickness to do so). He sets good screens. He has good touch around the basket. Defense, by that I mean putting his huge arms up, will be impactful from day one (the rest will take much longer to develop). He actually has handles (and often dribbles too much because he knows he can).

The negatives: 50% chance his ankles snap (as with all freaks this tall). He brings the ball down too much. That will get swatted away in the nba. He needs a big man coach from day one. He's a project that will make more than the occassional dumbfounding mistake and accumulate fouls, for a good two years. I'm less worried about his basketball intelligence than his sometimes passive play.

Love the Zeller combine. Love what I am seeing from this draft. We should be able to get a legit player capable of starting on a championship team, even with our pick at eight -- though I have a feeling (based on fate and fortune cookies) that we will pick higher. I still say, with the right moves (which are doable and reasonable considering our current situation), next year we will have the foundation for our best team in decades. One hopes we have management able to capitalize on that opportunity, with a real plan.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#573 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Fri May 17, 2013 10:41 pm

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I wish this kid was available in this draft. I say trade Nene and see how far we can go with Wall and Beal carrying this team next season (definitely not playoffs), bribe Stern...and we have him! :D ...and then I woke up :roll:
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#574 » by Rafael122 » Fri May 17, 2013 10:52 pm

Dat2U wrote:Noel at 206 does concern me. Next year would be a complete wash for him. It would be all about recovery and working on his body. He's really a project, a very talented one but it may take a few years to show. I could see certain teams not having the stomach to draft a player #1 who won't show anything for a year or two.

I think this may cause him to fall slightly. I think he's still top 5, but I wouldn't pencil him at #1 anymore. I think it really depends on who gets the #1 pick. If the Wizards get the #1 pick, we should trade it, without a doubt. I still like Noel as a prospect, but he's not such a sure thing anymore.


Actually I think if the Wiz get the #1 pick they should take Porter and call it a night. Picking Noel overall and having him redshirt his first year is begging to get a GM fired. It's short sighted. There's 5 or 6 other guys who can give you minutes and production Day 1.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#575 » by Wizardspride » Fri May 17, 2013 11:07 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... his-draft/

Alex Len: ‘Ten years from now, I’ll be the best player out of this draft

I think maybe 10 years from now, I’ll be the best player out of this draft,” Len said on Friday at Attack Athletics gym in Chicago.

Len is still a month shy of his 20th birthday and believes that he showed enough in two seasons at Maryland to warrant having a team take him high in the lottery. He averaged 11.9 points and 7.8 rebounds last season, despite playing the final two weeks of the season with what he originally thought was simply a sprained left ankle. An impressive 23-point, 12 rebound effort against projected No. 1 overall pick Nerlens Noel and two more solid outings in wins over Duke convinced the Ukraine native that he is ready to take his game to the next level.

“I think I did pretty well that game,” Len said of his performance in the season opener against Kentucky. “I think I was able to show NBA scouts what I could be in the future. I kind of showed my potential. After this season, I got more confident and talked to my coaches. In NBA, you have individual coaches with you. I decided to come out early, because I want to progress quicker. The developmental process will be faster.”




The Washington Wizards have the eighth-best odds at winning Tuesday’s NBA draft lottery and will be looking to bolster their front line or add another perimeter scorer. Len said his meeting with the Wizards on Thursday “went well” and could possibly slide down to Washington if it is unable to move up in the draft. The native of Ukraine wouldn’t mind staying close to his new adopted home.

“It’s kind of my hometown, like in Maryland,” Len said. “I would love to play for that team. Maryland is already I have a second family there; it would be great to play there.

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#576 » by hands11 » Fri May 17, 2013 11:35 pm

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball ... definitely

Adams’ right leg constantly twitched as he couldn't contain his excitement or stop smiling regardless of the questions. The Wizards have two picks in the second round and if he's still is available it’s plausible that they could snap up the athletic big man.

The draft lottery is Tuesday which will determine exactly where Washington will choose in the first round.

"They're real cool," Adams said of the Wizards' staff, including coach Randy Wittman and GM Ernie Grunfeld. "I felt comfortable when we talked about New Zealand. Apparently one of the dudes' daughters lives in New Zealand. ... I explained that I like to run. They got John Wall. He's fast. He likes pushing the ball and stuff and I just said that I could help by running with him. ... I'd like to go there, definitely."
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Post#577 » by hands11 » Fri May 17, 2013 11:40 pm

montestewart wrote:Where are the Spurs picking Shabazz?


28th ?
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Post#578 » by hands11 » Fri May 17, 2013 11:46 pm

Dat2U wrote:Noel at 206 does concern me. Next year would be a complete wash for him. It would be all about recovery and working on his body. He's really a project, a very talented one but it may take a few years to show. I could see certain teams not having the stomach to draft a player #1 who won't show anything for a year or two.

I think this may cause him to fall slightly. I think he's still top 5, but I wouldn't pencil him at #1 anymore. I think it really depends on who gets the #1 pick. If the Wizards get the #1 pick, we should trade it, without a doubt. I still like Noel as a prospect, but he's not such a sure thing anymore.


Its about time people become willing to take this guy off the pedestal.

I like the way you put it. He could still be the #1 depending on who picks. That's different than being the #1.

I dont see this class as having a clear #1. I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being Burke. Hell, it could be Len. Who the hell knows with this class.
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Post#579 » by hands11 » Fri May 17, 2013 11:55 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Odds that Noel drops? Measurements checked out, but he weighs 206 pounds, might not play until Christmas and even then you wonder if he's in shape and has bulked up a bit. The only reason why a team would take him #1 overall is to help the tank for the '14 draft. Maybe I'm being too optimistic and he stays in the top 3, but guys like Oladipo, Burke, Adams, Gobert killed it in the draft combine.


Might be smart for the Bobcats the do that. Or would they back Burke ?
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#580 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat May 18, 2013 12:07 am

hands11 wrote:http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/adams-wizards-id-go-there-definitely

Adams’ right leg constantly twitched as he couldn't contain his excitement or stop smiling regardless of the questions. The Wizards have two picks in the second round and if he's still is available it’s plausible that they could snap up the athletic big man.

The draft lottery is Tuesday which will determine exactly where Washington will choose in the first round.

"They're real cool," Adams said of the Wizards' staff, including coach Randy Wittman and GM Ernie Grunfeld. "I felt comfortable when we talked about New Zealand. Apparently one of the dudes' daughters lives in New Zealand. ... I explained that I like to run. They got John Wall. He's fast. He likes pushing the ball and stuff and I just said that I could help by running with him. ... I'd like to go there, definitely."




DVR'd the combine day 2 & just started watching it. Man all these guys are just absolutely gushing about Adams. He's apparently far and away the surprise of the combine, and every GM was impressed with him physically and in interviews. Looks like he could move into the top 10 from what they're saying... Katz, Ford, JWilliams, etc.
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