Tyreke Evans

[Goldtop]

Evans, is better than Stuckey. IMO, he just isn't a good guy to target this offseason.

1) Don't want him unless he can continue to improve his 3-point shot
2) Even if he can, he's a RFA who Sacto's likely to match on

3) Only way I take him is if we can S&T for him with some combination of Stuckey, Singler, and/or Jerebko.

I don't get this stuff about his shooting. If he were a great shooter already, he would be a superstar and we'd have to max him out to even have a chance. Its because of his lack of shooting that we will have a chance to sign him for a moderate price. So you take what he can do and be happy you can add those skills to your team, and then if he does develop a jumpshot, you got yourself a superstar for 8-10 mil/yr.

With his ability to get to the rim and finish, along with his passing and rebounding, if he could consistently make 3's, he could be a 24/7/7 guy and rival LeBron/Durant.

Honestly, if he had a consistent jumpshot, he'd be unstoppable. I think thats worth the gamble, because if not, you'r still adding an elite finisher and someone who can create off the dribble, both of which are needs for us.

As for SAC matching, they declined to extend him at the beginning of the season, so I don't think they are very committed to him longterm. As you generally rather do an extension early if you really want to keep a player, vs having to outbid the rest of the league in FA. Though the new ownership group could feel differently now. But I doubt they are going to go crazy and make their first order of business in rebuilding, signing Evans to a bad contract that could hamper their rebuild in yrs to come.

I think if we offered him a 4 yr/40 mil deal, I think we could get him. May be a bit overspending, but aside from Paul, this class is so weak there aren't many better options to spend the money on. I think I'd rather overspend a little on a young 23 yr old who is still developing, vs overspending on a player who has already peaked like Smith or Iguodala.

[Gilles]

Maloofs declined to extend Evans for more "flexibility". But in the end it might have provided additional motivation to improve. Couple of days ago some Cali sports writer tweeted that Ranadive's group "feels current roster might really surprise next season", so anything reasonable in the range of Derozan's contract will be matched.

[pistons]

Could the OP please make a case for Evans? Facts about Tyreke: he's a super ball-dominant guy with a great spin move and a good euro step. He's a very bad shooter from mid or long range, so he wouldn't help our obvious need. He's also not a good creator-- he's averaging under 5 assists per game for his career, despite averaging 35 minutes per game. His assist rate is quite low for someone that has the ball in his hands that much, lower than Knight and much lower than Stuckey, neither of whom are good creators.

He's also never been interested in defense and has never shown willingness to play a team concept. And I doubt we could get him for less than 4 years $40m.

So knowing these things, what's a compelling case for Reke?

Sorry for my late response , but I think the posters before me did a good job illustrating the case for Reke. Of course I wouldn't want to overpay for him , but we might not have to. The Kings could get lucky in the lottery and draft McLemore , they could have Oladipo fall in their laps and draft him to "change their culture" , or they could feel like committing to Marcus Thornton as their SG is the best move for the future. All of those situations would leave them reluctant to match an offer for him. In any case , I wouldn't pay Reke more than 8-9 million per. For that price , he's certainly worth the gamble.

Tyreke's rookie season , he was a 20 , 6 and 5 player. Now , for whatever reason , he's regressed as a player. I think that has more to do with overall disarray of the Sacramento Kings franchise , than with his talent. In this era of advanced stats , I think a guard that shoots 48% from the field is still doing something right . No he can't shoot the three , and yes his mid-range game is mediocre , but he's excellent at getting to the rim, finishing at the rim , and drawing fouls. That is a skill-set in short supply on this team. We can find shooters , and wing defenders pretty much anywhere . . But finding someone with the ability to consistently get to the rack is a lot harder to do. Not to mention he'd take a lot of pressure off of B. Knight to be a playmaker.

Of course it he is looking for 10+ mil per season , then I'd pass. And if we get McLemore or Oladipo ourselves, then this is moot. But if we don't , at the right price , he could be a steal . .

[Piston Pete]

Evans, is better than Stuckey. IMO, he just isn't a good guy to target this offseason.

1) Don't want him unless he can continue to improve his 3-point shot
2) Even if he can, he's a RFA who Sacto's likely to match on

3) Only way I take him is if we can S&T for him with some combination of Stuckey, Singler, and/or Jerebko.

I don't get this stuff about his shooting. If he were a great shooter already, he would be a superstar and we'd have to max him out to even have a chance. Its because of his lack of shooting that we will have a chance to sign him for a moderate price. So you take what he can do and be happy you can add those skills to your team, and then if he does develop a jumpshot, you got yourself a superstar for 8-10 mil/yr.

With his ability to get to the rim and finish, along with his passing and rebounding, if he could consistently make 3's, he could be a 24/7/7 guy and rival LeBron/Durant.

Honestly, if he had a consistent jumpshot, he'd be unstoppable. I think thats worth the gamble, because if not, you'r still adding an elite finisher and someone who can create off the dribble, both of which are needs for us.

As for SAC matching, they declined to extend him at the beginning of the season, so I don't think they are very committed to him longterm. As you generally rather do an extension early if you really want to keep a player, vs having to outbid the rest of the league in FA. Though the new ownership group could feel differently now. But I doubt they are going to go crazy and make their first order of business in rebuilding, signing Evans to a bad contract that could hamper their rebuild in yrs to come.

I think if we offered him a 4 yr/40 mil deal, I think we could get him. May be a bit overspending, but aside from Paul, this class is so weak there aren't many better options to spend the money on. I think I'd rather overspend a little on a young 23 yr old who is still developing, vs overspending on a player who has already peaked like Smith or Iguodala.

Please point out specifically where I stated where Reke was a great shooter. Or even where I said he was a consistent shooter.

I said his outside shot was improving -- which it is. Or do you not agree with that statement?

Or do you want to ignore that statement and put more words in my mouth for me??

[Goldtop]

Evans, is better than Stuckey. IMO, he just isn't a good guy to target this offseason.

1) Don't want him unless he can continue to improve his 3-point shot
2) Even if he can, he's a RFA who Sacto's likely to match on

3) Only way I take him is if we can S&T for him with some combination of Stuckey, Singler, and/or Jerebko.

I don't get this stuff about his shooting. If he were a great shooter already, he would be a superstar and we'd have to max him out to even have a chance. Its because of his lack of shooting that we will have a chance to sign him for a moderate price. So you take what he can do and be happy you can add those skills to your team, and then if he does develop a jumpshot, you got yourself a superstar for 8-10 mil/yr.

With his ability to get to the rim and finish, along with his passing and rebounding, if he could consistently make 3's, he could be a 24/7/7 guy and rival LeBron/Durant.

Honestly, if he had a consistent jumpshot, he'd be unstoppable. I think thats worth the gamble, because if not, you'r still adding an elite finisher and someone who can create off the dribble, both of which are needs for us.

As for SAC matching, they declined to extend him at the beginning of the season, so I don't think they are very committed to him longterm. As you generally rather do an extension early if you really want to keep a player, vs having to outbid the rest of the league in FA. Though the new ownership group could feel differently now. But I doubt they are going to go crazy and make their first order of business in rebuilding, signing Evans to a bad contract that could hamper their rebuild in yrs to come.

I think if we offered him a 4 yr/40 mil deal, I think we could get him. May be a bit overspending, but aside from Paul, this class is so weak there aren't many better options to spend the money on. I think I'd rather overspend a little on a young 23 yr old who is still developing, vs overspending on a player who has already peaked like Smith or Iguodala.

Please point out specifically where I stated where Reke was a great shooter. Or even where I said he was a consistent shooter.

I said his outside shot was improving -- which it is. Or do you not agree with that statement?

Or do you want to ignore that statement and put more words in my mouth for me??

Huh?

Where did I ever say that you said he was a great shooter? You seem to be putting words in my mouth, or not reading correctly, because I said the opposite.

I was commenting on the fact that you said you didn't want him unless he can improve his 3 point shooting.

Don't want him unless he can continue to improve his 3-point shot

Obviously there's no way to know ahead of time if he's going to keep improving, so I took that to mean you didn't want him because he couldn't shoot 3s.

All I said was if he could shoot 3s already, then he would be commanding the max in FA right now. Sorry if I mistook what you meant, but just tired of reading ppl nitpick Evans game and just dismiss him because of his perimeter shooting. When in reality, if he were better at shooting, he likely wouldn't be available as SAC would've already extended him already. So just saying beggars can't be choosers all the time, and we need all the talent we can get. We shouldn't rule out players just because they aren't perfect complete players yet.

[Piston Pete]

All points are moot anyway because there's no way Sacto and their new owners are not going to match all offers for Reke.

How do they sell that to their fanbase?

"Hi, we're the new owners, and we want to deliberately tank this season?!?"

If Evans is not in Sacto next season, it will be because they S&Ted him somewhere else for assets.

How many lottery teams are in a rush to let their 23 year old and 2nd best player on the team go for nothing??

[pistons]

Pete , I think it would be an easier than you think if they also sign Josh Smith. They could sell the angle of a fresh start built around their new big man combo pretty easily.

I'm not saying that it's logical for a team to get rid of their 3rd best player that is only 23 years old , but their 2nd best player plays the same position , is signed to a long-term contract , and seems like a better overall fit. Perhaps they would want some sort of asset, but if Tyreke decides he wants to be a Piston , and Sacto has no real future for him, I'm sure they could work something out.

[Piston Pete]

Pete , I think it would be an easier than you think if they also sign Josh Smith. They could sell the angle of a fresh start built around their new big man combo pretty easily.

I'm not saying that it's logical for a team to get rid of their 3rd best player that is only 23 years old , but their 2nd best player plays the same position , is signed to a long-term contract , and seems like a better overall fit. Perhaps they would want some sort of asset, but if Tyreke decides he wants to be a Piston , and Sacto has no real future for him, I'm sure they could work something out.

Are you referring to Thornton here? How is he a better fit there?

[pistons]

He's a better outside shooter , which can open up the floor more for Cousins down low.

[Sheeeeed]

When it comes to ball stopping guards, just say no.

[rmfc]

When it comes to ball stopping guards, just say no.

So, I assume, you don't want Shabazz either?

[Sheeeeed]

When it comes to ball stopping guards, just say no.

So, I assume, you don't want Shabazz either?

I'm not opposed to it. Shabazz can at least move well without the ball in his hands, and he doesn't dominate the ball unlike Evans. Almost all the SGs in this draft have problems with their handles and creating for themselves.

[Warspite]

When it comes to ball stopping guards, just say no.

So, I assume, you don't want Shabazz either?

For 10mil a yr less Ill take Shabazz over Evans.


Evans is a RFA so that means you already have to overpay for him. Can see Kings not matching anything less than 12mil per.

[HotelVitale]

He's a better outside shooter , which can open up the floor more for Cousins down low.

Based on the 15 or so Kings game i saw the last two years, Thornton's more of an off the dribble shooter, not a huge spot up or off-screens guy.

Given their current personnel, Sac would be smart to deal him. Hypothetically... what would you all think if we could get him without giving up much? Sorta poor man's version of Eric Gordon at a discounted rate. Overpaid, sure, and not an ideal fit defense-wise or size-wise. But I think his deal only has two more years, and he can get his own shot and hit from deep. Streak shooter that can get red hot. Decent efficiency at high usage.

Just a thought. Let me have it.

[pistons]

not an ideal fit defense-wise or size-wise. But I think his deal only has two more years, and he can get his own shot and hit from deep. Streak shooter that can get red hot. Decent efficiency at high usage.

Just a thought. Let me have it.

Sounds eerily like Ben Gordon when he signed in 09 . . .