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EArl · Post #1 » by **EArl** » Sat May 18, 2013 3:07 am

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Dr Aki · Post #2 » by **Dr Aki** » Sat May 18, 2013 4:19 am

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DEEP3CL · Post #3 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat May 18, 2013 4:22 am

Just for kicks Pacers close out tomorrow.

Post #4 » by **dockingsched** » Sat May 18, 2013 4:32 am

hoping for a grizz/pacers finals.

ROballer · Post #5 » by **ROballer** » Sat May 18, 2013 4:43 am

dockingsched wrote:hoping for a grizz/pacers finals.

Would be too good to be true

BEazy · Post #6 » by **BEazy** » Sat May 18, 2013 5:46 am

Stern will want Heat in the Finals...I say Heat/Grizz and Grizz to win in 7..depending if refs call it right..

MistyMountain20 · Post #7 » by **MistyMountain20** » Sat May 18, 2013 6:34 am

Continuing from other thread since there was no elaboration

Aki wrote:lol, i never called kobe inefficient in the first place

that's on u guys

No, but you said semi-efficient. What does that mean? Carmelo Anthony has more or less been around league average his whole career, is he semi-efficient?

Bryant throughout his career has always done well in regards to TS% relative to the season. Has he had the absurd averages that Jordan had? No. Has he sustained an efficient TS% in comparison to his peers? You bet. What other perimeter players that scores on that type of volume has done better? LeBron? Durant? Wade? There aren't too many. Unless you have something to add to the contrary, you're just putting out empty words.

EArl · Post #8 » by **EArl** » Sat May 18, 2013 7:38 am

dockingsched wrote:hoping for a grizz/pacers finals.

Aren't we all.

Imadogg · Post #9 » by **Imadogg** » Sat May 18, 2013 9:05 am

ScHoolBoy B wrote:Stern will want Heat in the Finals...

And Stern's dream finals is Lakers vs Lakers.. MAKE IT HAPPEN STERN

tugs · Post #10 » by **tugs** » Sat May 18, 2013 9:42 am

I respect you Deep but you gotta stop with those predictions man! I'm betting my balls for a Memphis-Indiana Finals! You have to side with Miami and San Antonio.

Imadogg · Post #11 » by **Imadogg** » Sat May 18, 2013 10:25 am

How does Indiana have a shot without George Hill? He might not play again. Is D-Wade gonna sit out more?

Desiderium · Post #12 » by **Desiderium** » Sat May 18, 2013 5:36 pm

I highly doubt Wade misses any time. But Hill will probably be back by the Heat series...or at least I would hope so.

DEEP3CL · Post #13 » by **DEEP3CL** » Sat May 18, 2013 7:14 pm

tugs wrote:I respect you Deep but you gotta stop with those predictions man! I'm betting my balls for a Memphis-Indiana Finals! You have to side with Miami and San Antonio.

Yeah I get that and that's cool, but the reality of it is this.....I've been on the money with all my stuff outside of predicting the GSW series win over the Spurs. First off I said it would be a tough series for them......it was. I said they'd have problems with the Warriors perimeter game.....they did. I said they would have problems with Curry....they were until he tweaked his ankle in Game 3.

The Spurs didn't start to get over until the injuries started to creep up on the Warriors slowly, the Spurs have had a lot of fortunate luck. They just keep getting teams that break down on them as the series progress.

But like Kool Moe Dee said back in the day....." Times up punk", Memphis about to do damage on them. Anybody who really knows me here knows I despise the Spurs, I respect them but I have a hate for them. Bottom line this is their last chance to get far. Too many teams in the west are closing the gap on them, and if we get right next season we can also be a roadblock.

I'm not so sure San Antonio can beat Miami, you think Kawhi Leonard is going to shut down or slow Lebron down ? Hell no. Miami is tailor made to slice and dissect a team like the Spurs. Heat / Spurs ain't happen'in bro.

Doormatt · Post #14 » by **Doormatt** » Sat May 18, 2013 9:24 pm

i dont want to see the pacers play the grizzlies the offense would be so horrendously ugly.

tugs · Post #15 » by **tugs** » Sun May 19, 2013 12:54 am

#InDeepWeTrust

ayo Doormatt, Pacers-Grizz would be slow and big men oriented if that's what you mean. we haven't had that for a while now. I think it will be low scoring, which is boring, but we're in for a treat defensively.

EArl · Post #16 » by **EArl** » Sun May 19, 2013 12:55 am

Pacers playing well. I think the knicks are done today.

Dr Aki · Post #17 » by **Dr Aki** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:01 am

MistyMountain20 wrote:Continuing from other thread since there was no elaboration

Aki wrote:lol, i never called kobe inefficient in the first place

that's on u guys

No, but you said semi-efficient. What does that mean? Carmelo Anthony has more or less been around league average his whole career, is he semi-efficient?

Bryant throughout his career has always done well in regards to TS% relative to the season. Has he had the absurd averages that Jordan had? No. Has he sustained an efficient TS% in comparison to his peers? You bet. What other perimeter players that scores on that type of volume has done better? LeBron? Durant? Wade? There aren't too many. Unless you have something to add to the contrary, you're just putting out empty words.

you just answered your own question. take lebron, take the league avg and kobe's pretty much smack bang in the middle. he's always been in the mid-upper echelons of efficiency, but never at the top. OTOH i don't remember him in the top 5% of efficiency (thats top 20) in any year

semi-efficient in a volume scorer is great, but not fantastic fantastic. thats why we've needed a guy (or in the case of 2008-2010 - 3 guys) who consistently gave us a 9/13, 8/10, 14/20 shooting nights to offset kobe's (only) above average efficiency.

with lamar, drew and pau, at least one of those gasol would have a crazy efficient night and we'd win easily. last few seasons, noones stepped up on a consistent basis to get us easy points. which in turn might've forced kobe to jack up even more shots

MistyMountain20 · Post #18 » by **MistyMountain20** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:34 am

Aki wrote:
MistyMountain20 wrote:Continuing from other thread since there was no elaboration

Aki wrote:lol, i never called kobe inefficient in the first place

that's on u guys

No, but you said semi-efficient. What does that mean? Carmelo Anthony has more or less been around league average his whole career, is he semi-efficient?

Bryant throughout his career has always done well in regards to TS% relative to the season. Has he had the absurd averages that Jordan had? No. Has he sustained an efficient TS% in comparison to his peers? You bet. What other perimeter players that scores on that type of volume has done better? LeBron? Durant? Wade? There aren't too many. Unless you have something to add to the contrary, you're just putting out empty words.

you just answered your own question. take lebron, take the league avg and kobe's pretty much smack bang in the middle. he's always been in the mid-upper echelons of efficiency, but never at the top. OTOH i don't remember him in the top 5% of efficiency (thats top 20) in any year

semi-efficient in a volume scorer is great, but not fantastic fantastic. thats why we've needed a guy (or in the case of 2008-2010 - 3 guys) who consistently gave us a 9/13, 8/10, 14/20 shooting nights to offset kobe's (only) above average efficiency.

with lamar, drew and pau, at least one of those gasol would have a crazy efficient night and we'd win easily. last few seasons, noones stepped up on a consistent basis to get us easy points. which in turn might've forced kobe to jack up even more shots

What's your criteria? Your still not saying anything of relevance (I'm not even sure what stats your using at this point)?

Bryant isn't merely above average (I have no idea what you mean he isn't in the upper echelon of efficiency); this seasons TS% average was 53.6 TS%. Kobe is a +3.5, which is extremely good. What Durant & LeBron did this year are not the norm. The 3 previous seasons were average years for him (age, injuries, decline, lockout are all factors to take into account, particularly 2010 where he increased his efficiency in the Playoffs). In 08-09 he was +1.7, 07-08 he was +3.6, in 06-07 he was +3.8, 05-06 he was +2.4, 04-05 he was +2.8 etc. Throughout the most part of his career he's been around 2.5-3.5. You just finding 5 players that have put up that type of scoring efficiency on that type of scoring volume.

If your point is to say that Kobe isn't as good in terms of efficiency when compared to James or Durant, sure. He's better than practically everyone else.

And the reason we've struggled the past couple years goes well beyond Bryant's scoring efficiency. Your analysis is far too simplistic and inaccurate.

Dr Aki · Post #19 » by **Dr Aki** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:52 am

again, you keep answering your question and framing it like i'm arguing its a bad thing

MistyMountain20 · Post #20 » by **MistyMountain20** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:57 am

Aki wrote:again, you keep answering your question and framing it like i'm arguing its a bad thing

Arguing it is not a bad thing, you're just presenting a bad argument.

Toss aside your subjective wording of "semi-efficient", how is Kobe not in the upper-echelon of efficiency. I hope you're not including the Tyson Chandlers or the world into your top efficiency players.