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[ennui]

**** stay backseat modding

[Imadogg]

Earl stfu and don't tell him who to watch out for

[iamworthy]

Memphis by 10 today vs Spurs.

[ennui]

Spurs owning

[EArl]

The only possible explanation is that Deep cursed the Grizzlies.

[EArl]

Earl stfu and don't tell him who to watch out for

Get off the shaft bro.

[MistyMountain20]

The only possible explanation is that Deep cursed the Grizzlies.

He's quite clearly a closet Spurs fan.

[MistyMountain20]

all this debate is centred around is the fact i called kobe only semi-efficient compared to lebron.

lol, no debate is going to change my mind to call kobe "efficient" instead of just "semi-efficient" on my scale of non-efficient to efficient

and i took the median (ie the 225th player in efficiency), because i couldn't have been stuffed calculating the actual average of all 450+ players

There are websites that have the average of TS% (hoopsdata is one). I provided you the numbers dating back to the 04-05 season.

If you wanted to say Kobe is not as efficient as James or Durant, that's just peachy, but semi-efficient does not make sense. First of all, like I said, James and Durant have never, ever had a TS%-league average differential life the one they had this year. They had a great one last year, but this years is absurd. With that said, in past years they're TS% weren't that far ahead of Bryant's (they averaged about 3-5.5 TS% above the average). They were still very efficient players then. Being 10+ above the league average in TS% does not happen often for high scoring perimeter players.

Secondly, look at the rest of players aside from James & Durant. Melo averaged the most points in the NBA, his TS% was a bit below Bryant's. Harden averaged less points then Bryant, his TS% was above Bryant's. Wade averaged a number of points less than Bryant, his TS% was the same. I don't know why you brought up Curry (might as well bring up Paul, Parker while you're at it); they average quite a few less points than Bryant. The point being across is that after James & Durant there is no definitive next best efficient player. For a number of seasons it was just Bryant, James and Wade sitting atop.

[DEEP3CL]

The only possible explanation is that Deep cursed the Grizzlies.

I haven't cursed anything. Game 1 is always the pressure game for the home team, the Spurs didn't want to start from a hole and it shows they learned their lesson from the GSW series.

I still feel Memphis can win this series, each game tells it's own story. Game 2 will be different and the story will get different in Memphis. The Spurs got a lot of bogus calls in their favor today, but Z-Bo has to play better also.

[DEEP3CL]

The only possible explanation is that Deep cursed the Grizzlies.

He's quite clearly a closet Spurs fan.

Shiiiiiiii.....it'll be a rainy day in hell before I'm a Spurs fan.

[tugs]

The only possible explanation is that Deep cursed the Grizzlies.

I haven't cursed anything. Game 1 is always the pressure game for the home team, the Spurs didn't want to start from a hole and it shows they learned their lesson from the GSW series.

I still feel Memphis can win this series, each game tells it's own story. Game 2 will be different and the story will get different in Memphis. The Spurs got a lot of bogus calls in their favor today, but Z-Bo has to play better also.

#InDeepWeTrust

[Dr Aki]

all this debate is centred around is the fact i called kobe only semi-efficient compared to lebron.

lol, no debate is going to change my mind to call kobe "efficient" instead of just "semi-efficient" on my scale of non-efficient to efficient

and i took the median (ie the 225th player in efficiency), because i couldn't have been stuffed calculating the actual average of all 450+ players

There are websites that have the average of TS% (hoopsdata is one). I provided you the numbers dating back to the 04-05 season.

If you wanted to say Kobe is not as efficient as James or Durant, that's just peachy, but semi-efficient does not make sense. First of all, like I said, James and Durant have never, ever had a TS%-league average differential life the one they had this year. They had a great one last year, but this years is absurd. With that said, in past years they're TS% weren't that far ahead of Bryant's (they averaged about 3-5.5 TS% above the average). They were still very efficient players then. Being 10+ above the league average in TS% does not happen often for high scoring perimeter players.

Secondly, look at the rest of players aside from James & Durant. Melo averaged the most points in the NBA, his TS% was a bit below Bryant's. Harden averaged less points then Bryant, his TS% was above Bryant's. Wade averaged a number of points less than Bryant, his TS% was the same. I don't know why you brought up Curry (might as well bring up Paul, Parker while you're at it); they average quite a few less points than Bryant. The point being across is that after James & Durant there is no definitive next best efficient player. For a number of seasons it was just Bryant, James and Wade sitting atop.

again, this is again arguing the same thing i am.

just because kobe is comparable to curry/wade/melo/westbrook. doesn't mean kobe's efficient, merely efficient relative to curry/wade/melo/westbrook. they're ALL still merely semi-efficient in my eyes (except harden).

and you can talk about % points in TS% all you want, there comes a time when the sample size is large enough to say, sure there may be a small difference, but player X is statistically more efficient than player Y at TS%. ok, maybe i'm splitting hairs with wade at .571 TS%, but curry, melo and westbrook are percentage points apart but usually 82 games is enough to make a judgement.

and like i mentioned before, this discussion still doesn't include big men, who do have an advantage in TS% stats due to the fact they simply play closer to the basket. there is an entire raft of players that have statistically significantly higher TS% than kobe (ie. brook lopez, bosh, dwight, jj hickson, bonner, landry, ibaka, griffin).

that doesn't mean i'd pick those guys over kobe, (merely take shots away from kobe if they were on the same team). its also interesting to note steve nash with of .605 TS% (validating our claims that he should shoot more)

at the end of the day, you've just settled for a couple of TS% above the median and concluded, yep efficient.

i haven't. and it's why i've come to realise kobe needs efficient guys to win.

[Doormatt]

thats not how basketball works, there are very few players in history who you can just give more shots to and expect them to have the same efficiency. unless someone is doing all the work creating those shots for them, in which case, their efficiency isnt really telling the whole story.

theres a reason kobe was at the top of the league consistently in his prime in offensive RAPM as mostly a scorer, he was obviously efficient enough for his scoring to have a huge impact. youre trying to use TS% as a stat that means something beyond scoring efficiency when it doesnt. TS% != good scorer, there is certainly correlation to a degree but its more complex than higher TS% = more efficient scorer = better scorer.

stop thinking of true shooting % as a stat that means efficient, thats not what it means. once again, it measures scoring efficiency, THATS IT. it doesnt give you context, it doesnt tell you how overall efficient a player is and it doesnt tell you that guys with higher % need more shots. youre using TS% as the basis of your argument instead of framing an argument and using TS% to support that, which is actual statistical analysis.

[Slava]

Not only that but comparing the TS% for a low usage player to someone of Kobe's usage is same as using per 36 numbers to compare every player in the league. It has its own fallacies.

[EArl]

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[EArl]

Tmac

[Dr Aki]

that doesn't mean i'd pick those guys over kobe, (merely take shots away from kobe if they were on the same team). its also interesting to note steve nash with of .605 TS% (validating our claims that he should shoot more)

you guys are just salty i don't like kobe as much as you guys do.

[Doormatt]

nah im far from a kobe stan. in fact i rank him lower than a vast majority of laker fans and maybe even you. theres also a few players who i think are better than kobe that many laker fans would think is ridiculous.

[EArl]

Lets Go Grizzlies and Pacers

[Kilroy]

Obvious jokes aside, any chance Phil comes back to coach the Clippers? I bet Sterling would be happy to have him in charge of some of the personnel decisions.