Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV

[sfam]

Would be dumb to reach on a tweener in a draft with this many bigs.

Not when he's considered a better prospect than any one of them save Noel.

I would be more than OK with an ultra mobile PF with a rich offensive repertoire who can generate offensive rebounds as well. I would guess Bennett has decent length, which should help his eight issue. The only real concern is whether we could get him to care about playing D. I bet he has solid potential there, he just needs the desire.

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What if we drafted Shabazz and called him "Shabizzle Muhizzle aka The Prophet". What does everyone think of that?

[nuposse04]

What if we drafted Shabazz and called him "Shabizzle Muhizzle aka The Prophet". What does everyone think of that?

I think hardcore Muslims in the area would start burning stuff. Good nickname though.

[hands11]

Personality, maturity, leadership. Those things all matter when it comes to finding player that can help lead your franchise in a new direction. That is what separates the top talent. And that is what a lot of teams will look for in a top 3 pick.

Teams may look for those things in players, but at the end of the day McLemore and Noel will get drafted ahead of more mature and personable guys like Porter and VO. Talent and potential trumps personality every time.

I stand by my entire post, not just the part you clipped. Depends on the team and what they need. There is no consensus #1 in this draft.

And it was Burke I said was the #1, not Otto or VO.

And if what you say is always true... Talent and potential trumps personality every time.... then why did Drummunds go after Barnes and T Robinson. And why was Cousins drafted after Wesley Johnson and Evan Turner.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Noel is taken after one or more of Burke, Otto, and VO.

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Noel might be taken after any one of those 3, but I highly doubt it.
Hands, I just rewatched Noel's DX scouting video. The kid is an absolute freak. To think he is 18 is just astonishing. His defensive instincts are amazing. At the very least he is the next Tyson Chandler. I'm trying to imagine him with a hook shot and it's scaring me.

[thricethefun]

I would trade out of the top 3 if we won the lottery. Say if the Jazz wanted Burke, we could swap our top 3 pick for Kanter and their #14 pick.

[nate33]

I would trade out of the top 3 if we won the lottery. Say if the Jazz wanted Burke, we could swap our top 3 pick for Kanter and their #14 pick.

That would be fabulous. We could give them Seraphin as ballast to match Kanter's salary. It would help them to replace Kanter, and it would prevent redundancy in our front court. At #14, we could draft McCollum if he slides, or maybe go with Schroeder or Caldwell-Pope. Or maybe even double down on young bigs and get Dieng or Adams.

It's really a dream scenario. We get a legit building block big man and add another backcourt player.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I know I shouldn't put too much stock in the combine, but Adams has shot to the top of my board. Due more so to what I saw with my eyes rather than the test results though.

I was impressed with the way he carried himself, front and center for every drill. The panel commented in non-televised comps against each other Adams was blocking Gobert's shots.

His size, strength, length, youth, abililty to run, all factor to his rise for me. He could be a franchise center. He may be raw, and his upside not as high as Len, but he doesn't have as many question marks or health concerns, and his potential is comparable.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

IMO a draft of Adams, Green, Murphy would be a haul, and is very plausible.

My updated post-combine Wizards board is looking like this...

1st round:

1. Adams
2. Porter
3. Len
4. Bennett
5. Zeller
6. McCollum
7. Oladipo


2nd round:

1. Muscala
2. Green
3. Bullock
4. Murphy
5. R.Kelly
6. Hardaway Jr
7. McCallum

[DCZards]

I stand by my entire post, not just the part you clipped. Depends on the team and what they need. There is no consensus #1 in this draft.

And if what you say it is always true, then why did Drummunds go after Barnes and T Robinson. And why was Cousins drafted after Wesley Johnson and Evan Turner.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Noel is taken after one or more of Burke, Otto, and VO.

There were work ethic and attitude issues raised about Drummond and Cousins. (Those go beyond personality.) I haven't heard those concerns about Noel or McLemore.

The concerns about Cousins' attitude were obviously legit. I think the concerns about Drummond were overblown.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Drummond shot less than 30% from the line. U Conn was non-competitive. Drummond did not produce big numbers coming off his one-and-done season with the Huskies.

He was drafted too low as a result.

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I know I shouldn't put too much stock in the combine, but Adams has shot to the top of my board. Due more so to what I saw with my eyes rather than the test results though.

I was impressed with the way he carried himself, front and center for every drill. The panel commented in non-televised comps against each other Adams was blocking Gobert's shots.

His size, strength, length, youth, abililty to run, all factor to his rise for me. He could be a franchise center. He may be raw, and his upside not as high as Len, but he doesn't have as many question marks or health concerns, and his potential is comparable.

Adams looks like an out of the box athletic freak. My concern though is his BBIQ. Will he learn to play the game with natural instincts, or will he just be an athlete? There is some risk here that makes him a better pick at the end of the lottery.

[nate33]

I know I shouldn't put too much stock in the combine, but Adams has shot to the top of my board. Due more so to what I saw with my eyes rather than the test results though.

I was impressed with the way he carried himself, front and center for every drill. The panel commented in non-televised comps against each other Adams was blocking Gobert's shots.

His size, strength, length, youth, abililty to run, all factor to his rise for me. He could be a franchise center. He may be raw, and his upside not as high as Len, but he doesn't have as many question marks or health concerns, and his potential is comparable.

Adams looks like an out of the box athletic freak. My concern though is his BBIQ. Will he learn to play the game with natural instincts, or will he just be an athlete? There is some risk here that makes him a better pick at the end of the lottery.

Yeah, I'm thinking long and hard about taking Adams at #8, but it's going too far to rank him as the #1 prospect in this draft. The fact is, he wasn't as dominant as he should have been given his physical attributes. He doesn't have great hands or great instincts. He also lacks any real offensive skills, though at his age, it wouldn't surprise me if he develops them over time. It's interesting that he was knocking down jumpers at the combine.

He's a bit of a project, but the payoff might be real good. He could be the next Andrew Bogut. Of course, me might also be the next Greg Ostertag.

[The Consiglieri]

So, im curious about what you guys think, Zellers issues? are they coach-able or is he the bust that some think he will be

I don't technically think he's gonna be a bust. I just think if he goes top 10, it's essentially a colossal waste. He isn't anywhere near worth that sort of draft slot. I think he's basically a role player, decent option, probably you're 3rd big on a good team. I don't think e's ever gonna be a guy whose a foundation piece or even a good starter. Just a below league average one, or a good bench big. That shouldn't be a top 10 pick, and sure as hell shouldn't be a top 5 one.

[The Consiglieri]

Jackie Carmichael

Solid mature. Strong.
He is going to back you down.
Knows who he is.
Solid role player off the bench.

Tony Michell
Wild card of the draft
Rebounding machine. He really got up on the vert. They were wowed.
Doesn't have the motor of a Faried but he can rebound.
Rebounding translates.
Big time athlete
Huge risk in the first
Kind of a tweaner. Wants to be a SF
Needs to check out in interviews.
7-2 wing span. 6-8 3/4 standing reach of 8-10.5 Thats a legit PF
B Griffin Size. 38 inch max vert. Higher then Blake.

Picks are bigger assets now with the new CBA
Teams wont be able to just buy players as easy.

Tim Hardaway Jr
Seems like a really nice young man.
Did well in 4 on 4
Pretty sure he makes a team.

McLemore
lol. He could probably do a good Muhammad Ali impersonation.
They said he comes across as a kid in the interviews. They noticed the difference vs others.
The sweet spot is to find young talent in someone who is already a man but it hard to find everything.
- guess it wasn't just me seeing what I saw.

Mitchell is the one I'd be interested in trading into late round 1 for. He's the only guy in that area who has legit stud potential in that zone. I will fully grant Dat's point that he sucked big time, and was a miserable failure in '12-'13. I'll also say that based on his '11-'12 season he had top 8 status as recently as November. Based on his '11-'12, he's a starter in this league, based on his '12-'13, he'd never play a minute.

link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... =uk_t12_a5

"....SI.com: How do you address questions about you not playing hard all the time last year?

Tony Mitchell: "Our season was so tough, I couldn't get up for games, somewhat. We had a losing record, and it was hard. My effort was up and down. It should have been straight. There is no excuse. It definitely hurt my stock. [Without the questions], I think I would go in the lottery. Each and every team has asked me about it. I understand this is a business. They want to make sure I'm the right fit. I'm ready to prove them wrong.

SI.com: Do you get the sense that teams believe that you are going to work hard all the time?

TM: "Really, it's a question mark. They just don't know. I have to show it. I can't talk about it anymore. I've accepted it. I have expectations, and I have to live up to them.

SI.com: You have compared your game to Kenneth Faried. What similarities do you see?

TM: "Our athleticism. I believe I can rebound just like him. Faried works tremendously hard and I know I can do the same thing...."

I don't understand why people evaluating Mitchell seem to entirely toss away his '11-'12 season, and ignore one of the chief issues in regards to the '12-'13 season, the loss of Johnny Jones, head coach of the best UNT' teams of the previous decade.

Reading that interview, I feel like Mitchell at least has some sense of accountability in the reasons behind UNT's failures. He's taking some ownership, not making any excuses. Nothing about his teammates, or the loss of Jones, just self-reflection. I think he's one of three or four guys that could be a +15 or more slot value in this draft (a guy who should have gone that many picks before he does go). He's easily one of the best values in the draft particularly if his valuation in the 25-40 range holds up.

[The Consiglieri]

Just played the lotto 3 times. We won the 2nd pick and chose Porter, and the 3rd pick and chose Bennett. I wonder how much info they have on who we like.

the lottery machine bases the selections on word of mouth that Ford collects, not his own preferences. Ditto Keith Law's projections in his baseball mock drafts. They have nothing to do with his own eval. Instead they're purely based on reporting.

[The Consiglieri]

Personality, maturity, leadership. Those things all matter when it comes to finding player that can help lead your franchise in a new direction. That is what separates the top talent. And that is what a lot of teams will look for in a top 3 pick.

Teams may look for those things in players, but at the end of the day McLemore and Noel will get drafted ahead of more mature and personable guys like Porter and VO. Talent and potential trumps personality every time.

I stand by my entire post, not just the part you clipped. Depends on the team and what they need. There is no consensus #1 in this draft.

And if what you say it is always true, then why did Drummunds go after Barnes and T Robinson. And why was Cousins drafted after Wesley Johnson and Evan Turner.

And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Noel is taken after one or more of Burke, Otto, and VO.

Because there was word of mouth that Drummond didn't have passion for the game, and had a hugely disappointing season per expectations (my analysis says different, but that's just me and what do I know), and Drummond was an outright lunatic that many believed was about 10x as bad as Sheed at his worst.

Noel has none of that baggage whatsoever. The top guys off the board on draft day will be the obvious ones, McLemore, and Noel, and 1 potential wildcard, Burke, Oladipo, or Bennett, based on need (Burke), upside, D and Character (Oladipo), and projectable chance at stardom (Bennett).

And btw, Evan Turner was neck and neck with Wall down the stretch in '09-'10, though Wall always held the lead.

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Yes, but can he dunk?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpZGKZA5ges[/youtube]

[hands11]

Noel might be taken after any one of those 3, but I highly doubt it.
Hands, I just rewatched Noel's DX scouting video. The kid is an absolute freak. To think he is 18 is just astonishing. His defensive instincts are amazing. At the very least he is the next Tyson Chandler. I'm trying to imagine him with a hook shot and it's scaring me.

Maybe you're right. Its all reading the tea leaves.

Its not that he isn't a good prospect but after listening the Chad Ford and the rest at the combine..

Here is my take.

Noel was the #1 early in a weak top flight talent draft. Not a bad draft mind you, just weak at the very top.
He got a lot of attention because of Davis but they have different skills
He is very light. Even more so then people thought.
He is injured.
People are for the first time starting to talk about him not being the #1
Momentum is changing. It might not last but for now, people are considering other options.

[hands11]

I would trade out of the top 3 if we won the lottery. Say if the Jazz wanted Burke, we could swap our top 3 pick for Kanter and their #14 pick.

That would be fabulous. We could give them Seraphin as ballast to match Kanter's salary. It would help them to replace Kanter, and it would prevent redundancy in our front court. At #14, we could draft McCollum if he slides, or maybe go with Schroeder or Caldwell-Pope. Or maybe even double down on young bigs and get Dieng or Adams.

It's really a dream scenario. We get a legit building block big man and add another backcourt player.

Since I have posted drafts such as Len/Diegn, Mike Muscala, Erik Murphy

A Kanter, Adams/Dieng draft is defiantly of interest.

Rumor is Schroeder is already spoken for in the first. I doubt it was us.