JR Smith clubbing during playoffs

[K_ick_God]

There is no way in hell the NY media would have missed that if it had actually happened.

That makes this whole story suspect. Can anybody tell me with a straight face that if JR was carried out of a club it wouldn't have been on TMZ inside of five minutes?

The 'drunken Kidd dancing on a table in the Hamptons' pics were up the day after his accident. I guess everybody left their cell phones home the night they carried Smith out.

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

For instance, there were things about Bill Clinton that the mainstream media reported that were embarrassing and personal but other things, including allegations of an illegitimate child, that were not reported by them during the 94 campaign. And this was despite knowing that there was some substantiation to these more salacious reports.

They avoided them, however, because they're embarrassing and not for family viewing and because there's backlash against that organization itself for even going there.

You think the news media is going to report every time they see a player cheat on his wife? No. This is similar.

Did you just imply that TMZ would be hesitant about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious?

TMZ yes -- they obviously will, but he said NY media and that would include NY Post I would think.

The standards change for personal life stuff. If someone had a photo, then maybe if they could be sure it was from that specific night. But without that, they'll get killed by it too, even if it's true.

NY Post is pretty bad -- they published a photo of innocent people and called them the Boston bombers. But just because they do one thing does not mean they do all things. Clearly their line is different than TMZ's line.

Again, they wouldn't publish stories about players cheating on their wives but they could if they wanted to unless you guys think the players are 100% faithful or that the media never has access to any of this information, neither of which is at all believable.

[Bran Fast Hands]

he was slurring his words and acting real slow

Sounds like normal JR Smith

[makeitstop]

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

Unless it hit TMZ first. then they'd gladly report it.

Which is what I'm saying. I'm not buying that if a New York Knick player was carried out of a club, it wouldn't have made it onto at least one gossip site.

Google 'JR Smith carried out of club,' and you know what shows up? The article Thugger quoted and this thread.

This is bogus if you ask me. I know it would help bolster your one-man campaign to move JR out of town, but be real here. No way this gets by the paps and gossip sites.

[aggo]

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

Unless it hit TMZ first. then they'd gladly report it.

Which is what I'm saying. I'm not buying that if a New York Knick player was carried out of a club, it wouldn't have made it onto at least one gossip site.

Google 'JR Smith carried out of club,' and you know what shows up? The article Thugger quoted and this thread.

This is bogus if you ask me. I know it would help bolster your one-man campaign to move JR out of town, but be real here. No way this gets by the paps and gossip sites.

[Knicks_Fan2]

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[Wildcat]

im not worried about how hard these guys party before the games. Its on record that the Steelers and Raiders were big time into coke back in the 70s when they were winning championships. The guy from Cocaine Cowboys said he was doing lines with the offensive line of the Steelers before a Super Bowl and they won, something I heard long before I watched the movie. Being a fan of the Mets I know that 86 team like to party hard. My pops used to be on the ground crew of the Indians and became friends with some of the players and you should hear some of his stories.

Most of these guys party, and if he was hitting shots no one would be worried about it. Was is the partying, or was it what I think that after all the heat from the national media came down on him after the Terry elbow he started trying to do too much to prove his "doubters" or "haters" wrong and went back to old JR mode of jacking up contested fadeaways instead of trying to use a more well rounded offensive game.

Tl;dr

What are you smoking/sniffing with that kind of post? He was seen in club; multiple Twitter shout outs well he was out; numerous pictures. Oh. And what's her name calling him out.

He ain't a champion. This ain't the 80s. There was no "national attention". Everyone knew what was going on.

[K_ick_God]

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

Unless it hit TMZ first. then they'd gladly report it.

Which is what I'm saying. I'm not buying that if a New York Knick player was carried out of a club, it wouldn't have made it onto at least one gossip site.

Google 'JR Smith carried out of club,' and you know what shows up? The article Thugger quoted and this thread.

This is bogus if you ask me. I know it would help bolster your one-man campaign to move JR out of town, but be real here. No way this gets by the paps and gossip sites.

I'm not saying it is true. But I think you hate when people hew toward criticism and negativity, and I do too believe it or not, but it's equally bad to have automatic trust/faith in a situation regardless of the facts.

You don't want to believe the JR Smith stuff but you don't know that it's false. You are saying it categorically. Just like you categorically thought there was no chance George Hill would play in Game 6.

I mean, you want JR to be great and that's great. We all do/did if we were true fans. But you haven't even admitted yet that he was horrible in the playoffs. Will you acknowledge at least that much, regardless of the reason, or do you want to maintain that he played pretty well in the playoffs or that it wasn't his fault, etc.?

Point is, it's easy to criticize me for having no faith in JR. It's also easy to criticize your position for being 100% optimistic about the Knicks' path. Were you this optimistic about Curry, Crawford, Marbury and Isiah before that disaster reached its final resting place?

The Knicks don't need more baseless optimism. They need quality players who get it and approach their jobs professionally. Whether any of this stuff is true, do you honestly think JR approaches his job professionally?

[ezmoney707]

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

For instance, there were things about Bill Clinton that the mainstream media reported that were embarrassing and personal but other things, including allegations of an illegitimate child, that were not reported by them during the '92 campaign. And this was despite knowing that there was some substantiation to these more salacious reports. See Primary Colors.

They avoided them because they're embarrassing and not for family viewing and because there's backlash against that organization itself for even going there.

You think the news media is going to report every time they see a player cheat on his wife? No. This is similar.

C'MON KG you sound like someone willing to believe something just because you hate the person. Your really sitting here making the NY Media look like saints that won't post a good story no matter how salacious it is and we know that is far from the truth. Just stop man. Why would a story cone out after the playoffs is over and not when it happened weeks back.

[HoneyNutMelos]

Its true.. My boy supplied him in the club, no green font

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[K_ick_God]

I think you'd be surprised how careful they would be about printing something about someone's private life that is salacious. Even if it's accurate, they get smeared by it. They become the National Enquirer. Granted, the NY Post is already pretty close to that line, but they try to stay on the other side of it so they're still considered a legit news paper (though barely).

So I'm not sure I agree that this would be reported by some legit paper.

For instance, there were things about Bill Clinton that the mainstream media reported that were embarrassing and personal but other things, including allegations of an illegitimate child, that were not reported by them during the '92 campaign. And this was despite knowing that there was some substantiation to these more salacious reports. See Primary Colors.

They avoided them because they're embarrassing and not for family viewing and because there's backlash against that organization itself for even going there.

You think the news media is going to report every time they see a player cheat on his wife? No. This is similar.

C'MON KG you sound like someone willing to believe something just because you hate the person. Your really sitting here making the NY Media look like saints that won't post a good story no matter how salacious it is and we know that is far from the truth. Just stop man. Why would a story cone out after the playoffs is over and not when it happened weeks back.

I have no idea whether the story is true. But just because something is not reported or photographed doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'll give you that with all the cameras in the world, it would likely wind up online. Photos of him clubbing did get online but none of him passed out or whatever the claim is.

He could be getting smeared. We don't know.

But the absence of a NY Post report or a TMZ report does not guarantee it did not happen. As I said, the media does not report every salacious thing they hear or even have a good source on. It's radioactive even if it sells papers for a while. In the long run, it is very risky.

You think Berman wants to walk into a lockerroom where he's reporting on players cheating on their wives or doing drugs? No. It goes over the line and it is stuff that the usual media (not including TMZ) stays away from most of the time and for good reason. NY Post is still mainstream. They're out there, though, but not at the level of TMZ. It's degrees.

[god shammgod]

this is not realgm's finest hour.

[makeitstop]

I'm not saying it is true. But I think you hate when people hew toward criticism and negativity, and I do too believe it or not, but it's equally bad to have automatic trust/faith in a situation regardless of the facts.

You don't want to believe the JR Smith stuff but you don't know that it's false. You are saying it categorically. Just like you categorically thought there was no chance George Hill would play in Game 6.

I'm looking at this considering the predatory nature of media in general, and the New York media in particular.

In a time when everybody's got a cell phone and TMZ is throwing bounties for pictures of stars in compromising positions, it's extremely difficult to believe that there wouldn't be at least a couple of people in a club where a New York Knick was being carried out wouldn't try to cash in on that. I'll use the JKidd photos from his drunken night in the Hamptons again as an example.

You probably missed it, but did say earlier in the thread that if this is true that he should be gone, and I stand by that.

But I'm also saying that it's extremely doubtful that this would totally escape media scrutiny on some level. It's not so much blind optimism on my part as much as cynicism toward peeps in clubs with cell phones and predatory media.

One more thing - if this was known during the playoffs, why didn't this dude drop it then? It smells.

[postcall]

While I do believe he did coke during the playoffs I dont think that is why he sucked. He has sucked in all his playoff series in his career. Guy just sucks in the playoffs every year. Cocaine weed or water he just cant handle the playoffs. He shot 42% right at his average.

[K_ick_God]

I'm not saying it is true. But I think you hate when people hew toward criticism and negativity, and I do too believe it or not, but it's equally bad to have automatic trust/faith in a situation regardless of the facts.

You don't want to believe the JR Smith stuff but you don't know that it's false. You are saying it categorically. Just like you categorically thought there was no chance George Hill would play in Game 6.

I'm looking at this considering the predatory nature of media in general, and the New York media in particular.

In a time when everybody's got a cell phone and TMZ is throwing bounties for pictures of stars in compromising positions, it's extremely difficult to believe that there wouldn't be at least a couple of people in a club where a New York Knick was being carried out wouldn't try to cash in on that. I'll use the JKidd photos from his drunken night in the Hamptons again as an example.

You probably missed it, but did say earlier in the thread that if this is true that he should be gone, and I stand by that.

But I'm also saying that it's extremely doubtful that this would totally escape media scrutiny on some level. It's not so much blind optimism on my part as much as cynicism toward peeps in clubs with cell phones and predatory media.

One more thing - if this was known during the playoffs, why didn't this dude drop it then? It smells.

So are you going to stipulate that he had a bad playoffs or is that not something you are willing to admit or think a fan has a right to say? I'm not putting you on the spot or trying to win any points so much as I am honestly probing what you think is fair or unfair "fan behavior" in all sincerity.

[Thugger HBC]

KG, you know the drill....

If you dont want JR on the Knicks, news such as this gives the ammo, and is more likely to be believed, even though the reports are vaugue as far as testiomony.

Anyone who does want him to stay would likely seek more proof before belief in a vague report.

As far as the other poster, I agree, it's odd as hell that no one would report this even remotely close to when they actually saw it, but waits until after the playoffs when they know JR would be seeking a new contract.

Best way to hurt a person you dont particularly like.....aim for his pockets.

Doesn't mean it's true or not, but it's sketchy.

[TommyTBolt]

im not worried about how hard these guys party before the games. Its on record that the Steelers and Raiders were big time into coke back in the 70s when they were winning championships. The guy from Cocaine Cowboys said he was doing lines with the offensive line of the Steelers before a Super Bowl and they won, something I heard long before I watched the movie. Being a fan of the Mets I know that 86 team like to party hard. My pops used to be on the ground crew of the Indians and became friends with some of the players and you should hear some of his stories.

Most of these guys party, and if he was hitting shots no one would be worried about it. Was is the partying, or was it what I think that after all the heat from the national media came down on him after the Terry elbow he started trying to do too much to prove his "doubters" or "haters" wrong and went back to old JR mode of jacking up contested fadeaways instead of trying to use a more well rounded offensive game.

Tl;dr

What are you smoking/sniffing with that kind of post? He was seen in club; multiple Twitter shout outs well he was out; numerous pictures. Oh. And what's her name calling him out.

He ain't a champion. This ain't the 80s. There was no "national attention". Everyone knew what was going on.

you may be right about the national attention, but that doesnt effect a basketball game unless it becomes a mental issue. The best counterargument to mine is what a couple people said, that football and basketball are different sports with different skillsets, especially compared to defensive players and linemen that I and someone else mentioned LT whereas I guess a QB, WR (like Matt Jones), or DB might have a harder time than a linebacker or tackle. Still, were not sure if this is true, and if it is I dont think anyone can prove that it effected his game with anything other than circumstantial evidence.

One thing to think about is JR came down with a "virus" and was lethargic for a couple of games which might lead one to think it was a comedown off that powder but I dont believe that and my main point of evidence would be that I think it was Shump and KMart but other players seemed to catch that bug too.

I'll say I'm not a big JR Smith fan in general, I was on board after the regular season he put up this year but the playoffs showed he is still too inconsistent and streaky to invest in for the long term, coke or no coke. If I owned the team, I would be looking to get rid of everyone but Melo, Shump, Amare, and maybe Felton, the rest of these guys played like crap or are over the hill.

Lastly, like I alluded to earlier, I freely concede that you may be right and I may be wrong about it effecting his game, but I still lean on the side of trying not to be too judgemental about someone elses personal life, because even if he was on that stuff different drugs effect people in different ways, some people can handle things others can't and none of us were there to truely know what happened. If it was going down and it was effecting his game its just as big of a black mark on Melo/Chandler/Kidd who were supposed to be leaders on this team and should have said something and nipped it in the butt.


PS : whats tldr mean? you can probably see im new to posting here, and although i can usually figure those types of things out with some common sense i haven't been able to guess what that means, please enlighten me.

[Thugger HBC]

im not worried about how hard these guys party before the games. Its on record that the Steelers and Raiders were big time into coke back in the 70s when they were winning championships. The guy from Cocaine Cowboys said he was doing lines with the offensive line of the Steelers before a Super Bowl and they won, something I heard long before I watched the movie. Being a fan of the Mets I know that 86 team like to party hard. My pops used to be on the ground crew of the Indians and became friends with some of the players and you should hear some of his stories.

Most of these guys party, and if he was hitting shots no one would be worried about it. Was is the partying, or was it what I think that after all the heat from the national media came down on him after the Terry elbow he started trying to do too much to prove his "doubters" or "haters" wrong and went back to old JR mode of jacking up contested fadeaways instead of trying to use a more well rounded offensive game.

Tl;dr

What are you smoking/sniffing with that kind of post? He was seen in club; multiple Twitter shout outs well he was out; numerous pictures. Oh. And what's her name calling him out.

He ain't a champion. This ain't the 80s. There was no "national attention". Everyone knew what was going on.

you may be right about the national attention, but that doesnt effect a basketball game unless it becomes a mental issue. The best counterargument to mine is what a couple people said, that football and basketball are different sports with different skillsets, especially compared to defensive players and linemen that I and someone else mentioned LT whereas I guess a QB, WR (like Matt Jones), or DB might have a harder time than a linebacker or tackle. Still, were not sure if this is true, and if it is I dont think anyone can prove that it effected his game with anything other than circumstantial evidence.

One thing to think about is JR came down with a "virus" and was lethargic for a couple of games which might lead one to think it was a comedown off that powder but I dont believe that and my main point of evidence would be that I think it was Shump and KMart but other players seemed to catch that bug too.

I'll say I'm not a big JR Smith fan in general, I was on board after the regular season he put up this year but the playoffs showed he is still too inconsistent and streaky to invest in for the long term, coke or no coke. If I owned the team, I would be looking to get rid of everyone but Melo, Shump, Amare, and maybe Felton, the rest of these guys played like crap or are over the hill.

Lastly, like I alluded to earlier, I freely concede that you may be right and I may be wrong about it effecting his game, but I still lean on the side of trying not to be too judgemental about someone elses personal life, because even if he was on that stuff different drugs effect people in different ways, some people can handle things others can't and none of us were there to truely know what happened. If it was going down and it was effecting his game its just as big of a black mark on Melo/Chandler/Kidd who were supposed to be leaders on this team and should have said something and nipped it in the butt.


PS : whats tldr mean? you can probably see im new to posting here, and although i can usually figure those types of things out with some common sense i haven't been able to guess what that means, please enlighten me.

too long, didn't read.

[makeitstop]

So are you going to stipulate that he had a bad playoffs or is that not something you are willing to admit or think a fan has a right to say? I'm not putting you on the spot or trying to win any points so much as I am honestly probing what you think is fair or unfair "fan behavior" in all sincerity.

WTF, man?

Of course he had a bad playoffs. As much of a blind homer as you night think I am (and it's obvious that that is exactly what you think I am), read back over my posts throughout the playoffs and find me one time when I said he had anything that denied he had a bad playoffs.

'Not putting me on the spot.' Yeah, right.

EDIT: And what does any of this have to do with what I posted in the first place?

[nOdoa]

true or not, doesn't the NBA do anti-doping control tests to the players? wouldn't this kind of substances show up?

to me, as European, is already weird that the players are going out and clubbing during playoff series. soccer players here have strict contracts with curfew hours, they are fined and set aside by the clubs if they are seen in public after a certain hour and they can even lose their contracts. usually teams just give a day off every week after the weekend match, other days they always have practice and train usually twice, early morning and afternoon. many players were banned from playing months or even years after accusing cocaine and other "recreational" drugs

[Manhattan Project]

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