Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part V

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Would you guys do #3 + #37 + #54 for Sac's #7 and DeMarcus Cousins? I would even throw in Vesley or Booker to make it work.

Absolutely not.

Cousins' best TS% is 52. He has an average ORTG of 99 which is atrocious and a subpar DRTG of 105. He's an absolute net negative and a cancer.

I hope all these posters knocking Bennett for his character issue in not playing D aren't also asking for a Cousins trade. 'Cause dayum - that dude has character issues. Maybe Wall can help control that but maybe not. I just prefer someone who doesn't have a realistic possibility of going thermonuclear.

[The Consiglieri]

It's imperative that EG packages our 2nd rounders and possibly a player to acquire a late 1st round pick. Jeff Withey almost makes TOO much sense. He'd be a great guy to groom behind Okafor this season.

Anyways, I love the potential core of Beal, Wall, and Porter. We just need something of a stretch 4, and we'd be good.

2 years from now.....

Withey
?
Porter
Beal
Wall

Me likes.

I kinda compare Withey to Omer Asik.

I sort of agree. I would be looking to do one of three things with our second rounders.


#1-Try to package them in a deal for a 2014 first rounder, perhaps Golden State's (they dont have a #1 this year.

#2-Target a faller in this draft of high value:
Tony Mitchell
Karasev
Crabbe
Shane Larkin
Glenn Rice Jr
Withey

#3-Package the 2nd rounders to move up and target a faller of high value.

This draft should have a lot of value falling into the 20's like the past couple of years, guys that probably could have gone much higher. I don't mind if its a Euro like Karasev, or a speculative guy we can't use for a couple of years like Schroeder or Ade who we also have to stash in Europe. The team, if healthy, should win 45+ next year, possibly nearly 50, we don't have to get an immediate return on that pick, though if we want a Withey that could be value too.

The one thing I dont want to do is sell the freaking picks. This team has neither depth, nor much in the way of talent, it's basically young and talented (Beal, and Wall), Old and talented (Okafor, Nene, Ariza), old and complementary (Webster if resigned), young and untalented (Vesely and Singleton), or young and question marked (Booker, Satoranksy (ranked the #1 euro in last years draft in late April) and Seraphin). Essentially there are only 2 long term pieces here. It would be beyond idiotic to sell the second rounders, or 1 second rounder.

Trade up and get a good player that fell, package for ammo for the superstar #14 draft, or draft a draft and stash and best available.

Selling the picks would be criminal. Reminscent of earlier sales where ernie argued we were good where we were, and didn't need anything? Seriously. This team has 2 legit parts that are long term pieces and NOTHING else. We have to utilize these picks effectively, not like a drunk at a strip club throwing bills everywhere.

[No-Man]

Withey isnt starting material, back-up for life, his strength issues are huge flaws, like Dieng's for starting Center in NBA.

He's nowhere near Asik.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

YODA update with all athletic test info (available) added. Here's the top 10:

1. Oladipo
2. Zeller
3. Noel
4. McLemore
5. Porter
6. Adams
7. Bennett
8. Burke
9. Olynyk
10. Carter-Williams

Oladipo looks like a worthy top pick. His final YODA rating is about the same as Ray Allen (JR), Patrick Ewing (SR), Jordan (SO), Chris Paul (FR), Ty Lawson (JR). The only guy in the database with a rating this good that was a bust: Michael Beasley. Hansbrough's final rating was close, but a notch below, and he's at least a useful role player.

Zeller looks like a solid 2nd pick in most drafts.

At 3, the Wizards will be able to choose between several players who rate in YODA as being worth a top 5 pick.

Unlike some others, I don't think Oladipo has the size to play SF regularly in the NBA. His standing reach would be well-below average for a SF, although his athleticism would still be outstanding. He'd still rate as the top pick if I evaluate him as a SF, but I think he (and his future team) would be happier if he's a SG.

Oladipo is TSN's Defensive POTY. He led the Big Ten in eFG%, even shot 44% from the NCAA three point line. He finished with better offensive and defensive ratings than Porter.

Oladipo could become a Dwyane Wade-type player.

[Wizardspride]

Fwiw, I was just listening to ESPN 980 and Brian Mitchell dropped a few nuggets.

Apparently, he talked to someone (in the Wiz organization ?) who said that Len is a REAL possibility at #3.

Also, Cleveland is comfortable taking Len 1st overall.


Take it with a grain of salt but nothing would surprise me.

[Dark Faze]

Another thing about Bennett is that his FT percentage was 70%. When guys hit the three ball but don't hit from FT consistently it makes me wonder if the shooting will be sustainable at the next level, especially given the longer NBA 3 and faster and bigger athletes that come at you during closeouts.

That's pretty much whats happened to guys like Beasley and Williams. People think their offense will translate and when it doesn't there isn't much left. Tweeners are so good in college because they absolutely destroy defenders off the faceup dribble. This doesn't happen in the NBA because of the trees in the paint and better athletes they face. Then their already average to bad defense comes into play and they can't even play the position so their coaches try to get them to lean out in order to play SF.

Bennett is right on track.

[GhostsOfGil]

Fwiw, I was just listening to ESPN 980 and Brian Mitchell dropped a few nuggets.

Apparently, he talked to someone (in the Wiz organization ?) who said that Len is a REAL possibility at #3.

Also, Cleveland is comfortable taking Len 1st overall.


Take it with a grain of salt but nothing would surprise me.

[Dark Faze]

Len still finds ways to haunt me

[AFM]

Porter shot 70% from FT last year. 77% this year.
I'm more concerned with his lack of explosiveness and the fact that his 3 ball went from 22 to 42% in one year. Is the higher percentage a fluke? It was only on 40 or so attempts. Is that a large enough sample size?
Also LOL at taking Len 3rd.

[Dat2U]

Yeah, if they don't trade the pick, I would go with Zeller - assuming Noah isn't there. He had a bad NCAA tournament, so fans are down on him, but his combo of size, skills, athleticism, and work ethic are rare. Quality bigs are very hard to find - especially ones that play both ends of the court. Porter is probably as good a 3 as Zeller is a 4/5, but quality 3's are nowhere near as difficult to find. And the Wiz need to add 2 quality bigs for the long term, imo. If they add zero this offseason, it puts them in a bind for the future.

I would still favor a trade with Utah - getting Kanter and the 14th pick - and taking the BPA regardless of position (other than a guard who can play only 1 position) with that pick.

I gotta say your wrong here. Regardless of what you & I think of Zeller (and we are far apart on him), productive bigs are easier to come by these days than quality 3s. Quality 3s are scarce. LeBron & Melo play the 4 almost exclusively now. After Durant, who else is there? Paul George? A 35 yr old Paul Pierce? If Otto Porter is the next Tayshaun Prince, that would make him a top 5 SF in this era.

Meh. The fact that top 3's like Melo and Lebron are playing 4 is BECAUSE of the lack of quality bigs in the NBA. Who's a dominant big in the NBA now? There's not even 1 in the entire NBA - now that Howard has deteriorated. That's never been the case since I started watching the NBA... and I'm old. Players like Javale McGee and DeAndre Jordan still get enormous contracts - not to mention Okafor. The Wiz picked up their starting 3 for the NBA minimum.

Plus, you need 2 bigs for every 3.

Again I disagree, It's because LeBron & Melo create mismatches as 4s because typical bigs can't defend them. It's about teams wanting to spread the floor and utilizing skill to beat opponents.

There may be no real dominant bigs since Shaq retire & Howard got hurt but lets not act like Zeller is going to be some dominant big. I believe Porter will have a bigger impact at SF than Zeller at PF or C.

[pancakes3]

The higher 3p% was for 102 attempts so it's more likely the lower percentage was the fluke.

[Higga]

We aren't taking Len 3rd.

If we do, I will never root for the Wiz again.

[truwizfan4evr]

Rumors that Porter could go number 1 to cavs. And Noel drops to third to wizards.

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Another thing about Bennett is that his FT percentage was 70%. When guys hit the three ball but don't hit from FT consistently it makes me wonder if the shooting will be sustainable at the next level, especially given the longer NBA 3 and faster and bigger athletes that come at you during closeouts.

That's pretty much whats happened to guys like Beasley and Williams. People think their offense will translate and when it doesn't there isn't much left. Tweeners are so good in college because they absolutely destroy defenders off the faceup dribble. This doesn't happen in the NBA because of the trees in the paint and better athletes they face. Then their already average to bad defense comes into play and they can't even play the position so their coaches try to get them to lean out in order to play SF.

Bennett is right on track.

50% FT shooting would be scary. 70% for is freshman year sounds fine to me. This is a sign of a decent shooter. BTW, Beasely's FT% was 77%, so I'm not sure I'm following your logic here. What's the minimum FT% you want? Over 80%?

[GhostsOfGil]

I think theres a real chance Noel slips to us. I still have yet to hear a solid argument hes worthy of a top 3 pick though.

[The Consiglieri]

There is no guarantee that Grunfeld or Whitt will even be here next off season. I'm hoping for the most polished player that we can get for this reason. Porter is a no brainer in my opinion because he offers immediate help but also upside and work ethic/ intangibles.

1st round
Porter
Oladipo
Bennett

2nd Round
Muscala
Jackie Carmichael
Livio Jean Charles

hoping for a vet backup pg via FA

My thoughts as well. Back in '07 i remember screaming bloody murder about the idiocy of the Landry pick for the redskins. Why on earth should we be utilizing a third 1st round pick in 3 years on a DB for a coach and system that would likely be gone in 2-3 years. much better to draft a player with tremendous utility for any coach rather than a player that suits a coach who may be gone at any time.

No way in hell am i worrying about whether Witt will play Bennett or not, its a miracle he's lasted this long, the player were selected should be here until at least '24 so long as we don't screw it up. Do you honestly think Earnie and Witt will be here for any reasonable stretch of that time? We've gone through a ton of coaches and even GM's in the last decade, I suspect we'll go through plenty more. Take the best player for the next decade, if that's porter, fine, but dont let witt, grunfeld or even players like Webster dictate any of this.

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Rumors that Porter could go number 1 to cavs. And Noel drops to third to wizards.

Maybe the Wizards G-man cold let Noel borrow his blue muscle suit for a few years. Honestly, I'd take Bennett over Noel. A wafer thin tall guy who breaks easily is not what we need.

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I think theres a real chance Noel slips to us. I still have yet to hear a solid argument hes worthy of a top 3 pick though.

Exactly. He may be on his second contract before he potentially becomes a difference maker - and then only if he doesn't break.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Count me as part of the camp that wants nothing to do with Bennett...don't like his attitude at all. Then again, we've been spoiled with Beal this past year.

I am also in that camp. I don't want Bennett.

[truwizfan4evr]

I think theres a real chance Noel slips to us. I still have yet to hear a solid argument hes worthy of a top 3 pick though.

Exactly. He may be on his second contract before he potentially becomes a difference maker - and then only if he doesn't break.

A lot of young big's come into NBA really skinny just have to hit the weight room he be a good rebounder and shot blocker in his rookie year and beyond.