Pops PreDraft Offseason Plan- Updated

[princeofpalace]

Draft Day

#8- PG- Michael Carter Williams: 6'6 freakishly athletic PG. Shooting woes aside MCW is the perfect PG for this team. If Joe D insists on masquerading Knight as a 2 guard then we need to pair him alongisde a big PG that can defend SG's. Micheal Carter Williams has the physical tools and the desire to be an excellent defender at the 1 and the 2 spot. Additionally, he will make Greg Monroe and especially Andre Drummond more effective through his lob passes & drop offs. He is also great at finding open shooters. Cuse never ran much P&R, but I see no reason why MCW couldn't be a good P&R player. He's a true PG, that gets guys involved, rebounds, defends.

#38- Archie Goodwin is a combo guard that can create his own shot and get to rim. He also has solid defensive potential. He was being talked about as a lottery pick prior to his terrible season with the Wildcats, he is in the Rodney Stuckey mold and would be a good guy to gamble on in the 2nd round

#56 BPA

Trade
Pistons trade Rodney Stuckey, Kyle Singler, to Indiana for Danny Granger. Indiana trades the injured Dann Granger because of the emergence of George at SF, they get a quality backup SG/SF in Singler and Stuckey, who is an upgrade over Lance Stephenson.

Offseason

PG- Eric Maynor to a 3/10 deal. Maynor is a solid backup PG, who is very good at setting his man up.
C- Tiago Splitter to a 4/35 deal. Stealing Splitter from the Spurs would be a major coup even though we’d have to overpay. He can rebound, play D and score and would make a very good 3rd bigman to pair with Monroe/Drummond.

2013-2014 Detroit Pistons
Michael Carter-Williams/Eric Maynor
Brandon Knight/Archie Goodwin/Kim English
Danny Granger/Khris Middleton/#56
Greg Monroe/Jonas Jerebko/Charlie Villanueva
Andre Drummond /Tiago Splitter/Slava Kravstov

This is an incredibly well balanced team that has a good mix of scoring and defense. We have a passing PG that can dump the ball down to Monroe/Drummond down low or kick it out to Knight/Granger for a 3. We have a wing that can take over games in Granger. A defensive anchor in Andre Drummond and a young big in Monroe who can score the basketball.

[Jodi]

-I could live with the Pistons taking MCW 8th...
-You're paying Splinter way too much...We could get Brandon Wright for half the price...Dalembert too..
-I like your Maynor idea
-Trade Stuckey and Singler for Wilson Chandler...Pacers and Pistons will never agree to a deal because we're in the same division...

[ImHeisenberg]

Jodi pretty much covered it.

But, I'd also like to add that I doubt if the Pacers wanted to move Granger they would send him to a division rival. They would prefer to find a suitor out west, and if nothing else, out of the central division.

[He Filled it Up]

I disagree with everything here. I'm firmly in the anti-MCW camp, maybe I only caught his bad games but he never once looked like NBA player to me. That handle is extremely shaky and for all his physical tools he plays extremely soft.

I actually like Goodwin, but we have to come away with a shooter at this pick, especially if we go MCW at 8.

Danny Granger works fit wise, but not with the direction of the team. If he was traded here I think he'd be pretty unhappy, his only time on a contender would be to ring chase after this contract. It's just not the right trajectory for Granger or the Pistons. And Stuckey is not an upgrade over Lance.

Maynor could be a really good back up, but I really want to get Knight a vet that can help with his development. The kid is a sponge, and I'm not sure getting another youngish guy to back him up is a good idea.

If you "steal" something from the Spurs, you probably messed up. And lets get another young guy that is a true center, and make him one of the highest paid guys on the team to come of the bench. This means Monroe never plays at the 5. You spent our cap with getting any help on the wings.

The final team is extremely slow-footed, and seriously lacks versatility. And it really doesn't leave much room for improvement other than the guys that are already here (admitted that's due to my opinion of MCW).

[ComboGuardCity]

I mentioned Goodwin earlier today. I think if he's still in the 2nd we nab him and Mold him into Tony Allen...maybe bring in Lindsey as an assistant as well. Tiago is a starter so he deserves starters money, but I'm not sure I want to pay him that.

[ImHeisenberg]

I disagree with everything here. I'm firmly in the anti-MCW camp, maybe I only caught his bad games but he never once looked like NBA player to me. That handle is extremely shaky and for all his physical tools he plays extremely soft.

I completely agree with you on MCW. I believe a lot of people have fallen in love with his height and combine testing. But, he doesn't pass the eye test. He looks like a deer in headlights on defense.

[vege]

I believe I am more qualified than anyone else here to talk about Splitter since I watch the guy play since he was 16 and I'm a big fan.

There is absolutely NO CHANCE he would go to Detroit to play behind Drummond and Monroe. None. Doesn't matter how much you pay him. He wasn't pleased on Spurs bench and they are contenders and he is having a chance to play for Popovic and next to a legend in Tim Duncan.

He could be making more money in Europe, instead he decided to come to the NBA.

He is a great guy, extremely high character, he works very hard, has a very polished post game but his game has one huge hole. He is a terrible free throw shooter and it's a mental/confidence issue and that can really screw his game. If his Free throws are not falling, he will be hesitant in get the ball inside and finish. That will make him extremely ineffective.

For all those reasons, as much as I love the guy, Detroit would be hands down the worst team for him in the NBA, of all 30 teams Detroit would be the worst free agent destination for him. He would look terrible next to Drummond, neither of them has a good/reliable mid range game and they both struggle badly from the line.

He would be a terrible defensive pair up with Monroe. Both have as their main defensive strength their man defense. Neither of them is quick enough to defend mobile 4's and they are also a bad fit offensively. They're both skilled/finesse big man.

As for the rest, Maynor is a terrible player. There are a hell lot of backup PGs I would rather try to acquire before I think about Maynor. Collison, Farmar, WILL BYNUM are some names that come to mind I'm pretty sure if I think for 5 minutes I can come up with at least a dozen names.

Lance Stephenson is a much better fit for Indy than Stuckey. Stuckey is indeed the better player right now but Stephenson will develop into a far superior player soon. He is way more talented than Stuckey.

I've been high on Stephenson since his play on Summer league and I've wrote a hell lot about him that year in this forums. He has great court vision and is a fantastic passer. He improved his shot so probably in 1-2 seasons he will be way better than Stuckey.

Indiana would not take on Stuckey to trade Granger, you're defeating the purpose for them trading him, killing half of their financial saves.

Singler and a TPE for Granger could have a lot more leg than that.

JJ Hickson instead of Splitter would make a lot more sense for everyone (Detroit, Splitter and Hickson).

And lastly, We should not draft or build this team based on Knight. We should draft and build around Drummond/Monroe.

If MCW is the better fit to go with Drummond and Monroe great, if you want to draft him because he is big and athletic and can defend 2's allowing Knight to play the 2 that's an epic fail.

Until he proves me wrong, Knight is at best a Jason Terry 2.0 and he has a lot of work to even get there right now. He is a combo guard off the bench.

[MrBigShot]

I LOVE the idea of nabbing Goodwin later on in the draft, but I am not sold on MCW. His athleticism does not translate on the court. Westbrook is a freak athlete, Rose is/was a freak athlete. MCW is just a good athlete, regardless of what his vertical may be.

His scoring in general is worrisome. 39% at the college level....that's horrible.

[princeofpalace]

I disagree with everything here. I'm firmly in the anti-MCW camp, maybe I only caught his bad games but he never once looked like NBA player to me. That handle is extremely shaky and for all his physical tools he plays extremely soft.

I completely agree with you on MCW. I believe a lot of people have fallen in love with his height and combine testing. But, he doesn't pass the eye test. He looks like a deer in headlights on defense.

I am unsure if you have every watched MCW, if you think he looks like a deer in the headlights on defense. There are many reasons to criticize MCW, but defense is surely not one of them and indicates that you have never really watched a Syracuse game.

I on the otherhand, have been talking about MCW since December. I also have been tallking about KCP way before it was cool.

Please go pull up; some draft threads. I actually watch the NCAA and don't rely on scouting reports, 1 game sample sizes to formulate an opinion on prospects after the NCAA season is long finished.

@Vege- Splitter may be starting for the Spurs but he's playing less than 25 minutes per game. He could see a lot more playing time coming off the bench. Do you really think he'd prefer to play significantly less as a starter or play more off the bench?

[Minas]

Every time I hear Splitter's name I can't help but think of this

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1LRRjRYCdo[/youtube]

[vege]

@Vege- Splitter may be starting for the Spurs but he's playing less than 25 minutes per game. He could see a lot more playing time coming off the bench. Do you really think he'd prefer to play significantly less as a starter or play more off the bench?

Yes, his role in San Antonio has been increasing every year. His confidence increased this year. There is a ton of room for him to get more minutes there and it's a much better situation than Detroit. He is their 2nd bigman, he earned a bigger role/minutes over Diaw, Booner and Blair.

In Detroit he would be a backup with limited possible minutes and a limited role in a bad team. That's a terrible situation for him.

[DetroitDon15]

I'm not seeing the reason why MCW is so good. I'd rather take Alex Lien at 8 over MCW. I just see him as a defensive liability. I see him and think Shaun Livingston. Sorry not that impressed. Not a fan of drafting alot of back-up guards either.

[princeofpalace]

Draft Day

#8- PG- Michael Carter Williams: 6'6 freakishly athletic PG. Shooting woes aside MCW is the perfect PG for this team. If Joe D insists on masquerading Knight as a 2 guard then we need to pair him alongisde a big PG that can defend SG's. Micheal Carter Williams has the physical tools and the desire to be an excellent defender at the 1 and the 2 spot. Additionally, he will make Greg Monroe and especially Andre Drummond more effective through his lob passes & drop offs. He is also great at finding open shooters. Cuse never ran much P&R, but I see no reason why MCW couldn't be a good P&R player. He's a true PG, that gets guys involved, rebounds, defends.

#38- PF/C Mike Muscala. Muscala is a bit underrated, he can rebound the basketball, he can step out and hit a long range jumper out to the 3 point line and he can score inside. He's also a pretty solid defender. I think he's a solid bench bigman.

#56 BPA

Trade #13 team trade- Det/MN/BOS

Pistons trade Rodney Stuckey
Pistons receive: SG- Courtney Lee, PG- Luke Ridnour
Pistons trade a disgrunted player for a 3&D SG and backup PG

Boston trades: SG- Courtney Lee, SG- Jason Terry
Boston receives- SG- Rodney Stuckey
Boston saves $$ by getting rid of Lee's and Terrys long term deal for an expiring contract in Stuckey

MN trades- PG- Luke Ridnour
MN recieves- SG- Jason Terry
MN needs shooting so they replace Terry with Ridnour since JET is a sharpshooter.

Trade #2Detroit/Denver

Pisotns trade Jonas Jerebko, Kyle Singler to Denver for Wilson Chandler
Denver saves money and gets a backup stretch 4 and a backup wing. Pistons get a starting caliber SF

Offseason
SF/PF- Earl Clark- 3/10 deal- he's bounced around the league a few too many times since being drafted but he's finally shown signs of life with LA. I wouldn't mind if Joe D took a flier on him as backup to Greg Monroe at PF.

2013-2014 Detroit Pistons
Michael Carter-Williams/Luke Ridnour
Brandon Knight/Courtney Lee/Kim English
Wilson Chandler/Khris Middleton/#56
Greg Monroe/Earl Clark/Charlie Villanueva/
Andre Drummond/Mike Muscala/Slava Kravstov

I think this is a solid young team thats well balanced with a pure passing PG in MCW, two perimeter guys who can shoot in Knight and Chandler. its also got a pretty strong bench with Courtney Lee as our 3&D guy, and Ridnour acting as vet mentor at PG. How far the team goes depends on the continued development of Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond. But like Indiana, I think the team is going to be one that focuses on getting better through the internal grown of its young guys and not marquee FA's.

[MrBigShot]

^That actually looks like a really realistic off season plan, and all of those trades seem fair to me. The question is...will Iggy resign with Denver? If not, then I can't see them dealing Chandler as Gallo is out with the ACL for a while. But if Iggy does, I can see them dealing Chandler to free up space.

I would still take Goodwin if he's available at 38 though. Just personal preference. Or Ricky Ledo if he's available. He may have some team issues, but he's extremely talented. His handles are better than many PGs in this league.

[dVs33]

i like the revised version

[princeofpalace]

Here is a new plan.

Draft Day

#8- PG- Trey Burke. I truly believe that Detroit is walking out of the draft with either MCW or Burke. We need a true PG, both Burke and MCW are true PG's. Burke is more polished at this stage of his career, while I feel MCW has more upside. That being said, I think Burke is being slept on- Im not too concerned about his athleticism or quickness. He doesn't have great size, but being a 6'1 PG isn't a huge detriment. Burke is smart, crafty, can set up our bigs and can shoot the 3 but doesn't project to be an elite defender. He's a perfect fit on the team but a bad fit with Brandon.

#37-Mike Muscala. I like the idea of acquiring a 3rd bigman to help grow with Monroe/Drummond and I think Muscala is a good fit. He can score in the post and also step out and hit a jumper. Hes a guy who has a low ceiling but also has a high floor and should make for a good backup.

Trades DET-BOS
Pistons trade: Knight/Singler/56
Boston trades: Jeff Green, Courtney Lee
Boston begins clearing capspace for the rebuild and get 2 productive players on rookie contracts and Pistons get the SG/SFs that they need

Free Agency:
Andre Igoudala- 4/45 (with the $ amount declining per year). I don't necessarily believe that Denver will let Iggy go, but in the event that Igoudala wants to team up with his old coach then this could work. Igoudala can be our veteran presence, is a great perimeter defender and can run the offense. He's not a great shooter but I don't buy that we need great shooters at positions 1-3. We can find shooters for the bench.

Darren Collison- 3/18. We're going to need a veteran part time starting PG to help Burke out. I like Collison more than most, I remember how great he looked with NOH running the P&R with Chandler and West. I think he'd pair well with Monroe/Drummond and he can shoot the ball.

We waive Rodney Stuckey in this scenario. He's got a bad attitude and I don't want him around the team.

2013-2014 Pistons

Trey Burke/Darren Collison
Andre Igoudala/Courtney Lee/Kim English
Jeff Green/Khris Middleton/
Greg Monroe/Jonas Jerebko/Charlie V
Andre Drummond/Mike Muscala/Slava Kravstov

I think this is a playoff team with room to grow, which is our goal.

[Pharaoh]

2013-2014 Pistons

Trey Burke/Darren Collison
Andre Igoudala/Alec Burks/Kim English
Jeff Green/Khris Middleton/
Greg Monroe/Jonas Jerebko/Charlie V
Andre Drummond/Mike Muscala/Slava Kravstov

I think this is a playoff team with room to grow, which is our goal.

Where did you get Burks from in the new plan?

The drama with the plan is that CV-DNP, Muscala, Slava, Jerebko are our back-up bigs...

[princeofpalace]

2013-2014 Pistons

Trey Burke/Darren Collison
Andre Igoudala/Alec Burks/Kim English
Jeff Green/Khris Middleton/
Greg Monroe/Jonas Jerebko/Charlie V
Andre Drummond/Mike Muscala/Slava Kravstov

I think this is a playoff team with room to grow, which is our goal.

Where did you get Burks from in the new plan?

The drama with the plan is that CV-DNP, Muscala, Slava, Jerebko are our back-up bigs...

Sorry, I had acquired Burks in an alternate BK plan. I will remove him. And, Im not too worried about our bigman rotation. We have 2 young bigs that should be play 32+ mpg. I think Jerebko, CV, Muscala, Slava are fine for spot minutes.

[Pharaoh]

But they're not playing spot minutes!

Drummond 30-32 minutes
Monroe 34-36 minutes

We need their back ups to play almost 30 minutes per game...

CV-DNP is the best of that bunch and likely to log good minutes if this all went down... but he's unlikely to be on the team beyond next season, especially when you're paying Jeff Green and Iggy all that cash

I see you added Courtney Lee... at least you have a 3 and D guy off the bench with Middleton on the wings. No drama with your SF, SG, PG options.. all are possible depending on your POV.

But those big men? I'd forever be worried that if Monroe or Drummond went down we'd be toast!

[princeofpalace]

^
Are games 60 minutes now or 48? We need their backups to play around 15-18 minutes a game a piece. Both CV and Jerebko are good for 15-18 minutes a piece. I felt that our perimeter was much more of a concern than our bigman rotation.