2013 Draft Targets (#9, #26, #52, #59)

[theGreatRC]

At #9 and Mclemore/Oladipo are gone, i'd draft a big like Len/Gobert/Zeller before going with Bazz.

At #26, one of Crabbe, Goodwin, Franklin, Haradway Jr. will be there.

[shangrila]

The more I read about KCP, the more I like him.

A lot of his cons: Ball handling, shot selection, not driving to rim (chucking) are easily fixable. He would be a great shooter for us.

No they're not. In fact, it's usually the opposite; shooting is the easiest thing to improve. But snipers can rarely develop a handle or overcome their lack of one to drive it more often.

[Worm Guts]

A SG at #26 probably won't be an upgrade, so I'd significantly prefer one at #9.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Hardaway Jr and Crabbe are intriguing, but I'd still want a guard or swing at 9. I can't see circumstances where that'd make sense though, we'd need to get rid of at least 2 guards that nobody wants

[Klomp]

A SG at #26 probably won't be an upgrade, so I'd significantly prefer one at #9.

Won't be an upgrade over 6'1" Luke Ridnour?!

[Worm Guts]

Hardaway Jr and Crabbe are intriguing, but I'd still want a guard or swing at 9. I can't see circumstances where that'd make sense though, we'd need to get rid of at least 2 guards that nobody wants

I feel like you contradicted yourself pretty good there. I'm not sure what you mean. I think we need a starting SG more than we need a backup center, and sitting Ridnour or Barea or shouldn't get in the way of that.

[Worm Guts]

A SG at #26 probably won't be an upgrade, so I'd significantly prefer one at #9.

Won't be an upgrade over 6'1" Luke Ridnour?!

If it was that easy to find an upgrade over Ridnour, we'd already have one. We've had like 10 late round picks over the last 4 years.

[Klomp]

If it was that easy to find an upgrade over Ridnour, we'd already have one

Maybe...maybe not. This was the first year that Ridnour was forced to start a large majority of the games.

[Worm Guts]

The last two SG's we took in the late first round were Ellington and Hayward. I don't think either is an upgrade of Ridnour, and neither is somebody you'd want as your starter.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Hardaway Jr and Crabbe are intriguing, but I'd still want a guard or swing at 9. I can't see circumstances where that'd make sense though, we'd need to get rid of at least 2 guards that nobody wants

I feel like you contradicted yourself pretty good there. I'm not sure what you mean. I think we need a starting SG more than we need a backup center, and sitting Ridnour or Barea or shouldn't get in the way of that.

I think I just explained it poorly - I meant I like a couple SGs @ 26, but not on the basis that its ok to go big man at 9, I'd still want to go perimeter player @ 9 too, but with Ridnour, Barea, Rubio, Shved, AK, and a SG/SF @ 9, it's not feasible to go SG @ 26 unless we get rid of some dead weight first. But who's lining up to take Ridnour or Barea off our hands w/o sending some forward dead weight back (which we also don't need)? Probably nobody.

[Worm Guts]

OK, I misunderstood. I agree it would be tough to grab perimeter players at both picks.

[shrink]

Would you trade the #26 for Marshon Brooks?

[Krapinsky]

Would you trade the #26 for Marshon Brooks?

I don't think so at this point. Not really what we need on the wing... doesn't stretch the floor all that well, not known for his D, and at 24 i don't think much upside is left.


My hope is we trade up for Oladipo using D-Will and #9 and then snag the best available SF shooter at #26 (Bullock or Glen Rice would be nice, but I'd even consider Deshaun Thomas or Snell there). At that point we'll have to find a cheap big in free agency or trade Ridnour/Barea for one.

[Number1Starter]

Not to hijack this thread into a trade thread, but I'm curious what you guys think of this hypothetical (really to gauge the value of Love in the case that (1) an offer with a proportionate amount of talent was coming back to the Wolves and/or (2) Love privately requested a trade)

Just spit balling. I am a Cavs fan and I am curious what value (in the case that Love were open to being traded, whether by force or by the judgment of the management) would be considered 'fair' (though, with a player like Love, you'll never really receive 'full/equal/fair' value).

In my opinion, any player on the Cavs roster (outside of Kyrie and Noel, presumably) are trade-able under the right circumstances.

So Cleveland won the lottery and if all medical concerns check out, look to be poised to take Noel #1. He is obviously not an ideal fit next to Tristan Thompson (both being offensively deficient at this point in their careers -- though Thompson has shown obvious signs of improvement). But, Noel has positional value at center (assuming he can put on 30 lbs over a few years) and has more potential than Thompson.

The Wolves have a hole at SG. They can try to draft one, but at 9, the only players that seem would be available would be McCollum and/or Muhammed (assuming McLemore and Burke are off the board). Cleveland drafted Dion Waiters last year at 4 - and he, though falling in love with his jumper at times, had a very promising rookie season (look at his numbers when he was healthy -- he was shooting nearly 50% from the field and 40% from 3).

All this said, would a package of:

Thompson
Waiters
2013 Top #10 (CLE hypothetically trades #31, #33 to DAL for #13 : then CLE hypothetically trades #13, #19 for 2013 top 10 pick)

for

Love
#26 (or some other player from the roster?)

This would leave the Wolves with a core of Rubio, Waiters, Williams, Thompson, Pekovic (re-signed), #9, another 2013 top 10 pick (via Cleveland's hypothetical trades). This would also suggest that the Wolves would be 'rebuilding' in some sense.

This would give Cleveland another star player next to Kyrie (and alongside Noel, presumably) -- and would hopefully be enough to entice a star player in 2014 (with Cleveland's cap space) to sign (perhaps Lebron? ha). From Cleveland's POV, I imagine having Kyrie/Love/Noel rather than Thompson, Waiters, and another top 10 pick is preferable going into FA of 2014.

Thoughts? (I come in peace and excuse me if this is way off!)

[shrink]

You are way off.

MIN is not rebuilding, and Love's problems were with Kahn, not the Wolves.

The chances that Noel will ever put up a season like Love has done, twice, is very slim.

[Krapinsky]

I realize you come in peace and that's nice, but none of us here are interested in Love trade hypotheticals at this point -- no more than I;d assume you're interested in Irving hypotheticals. There's not a plausible scenario where he gets traded in the next calendar year.

[Number1Starter]

Loud and clear -- thanks for the heads up. Apologize for anything too offensive.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Waiters and Thompson are okay, but I don't see either being a difference maker.

[Devilzsidewalk]

and I could be way off on this, but I think if we put Love out there, we could get a better young PF prospect like Faried or Ibaka in a package.

[theGreatRC]

I'm not interested in a Love trade right now because I believe Kahn was one of the main reasons Kevin Love was annoyed with the team/his contract.