The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

JulesWinnfield · Post #1161 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:46 am

Rasho_libre wrote:30-10-10- 3 blocks and some are not impressed.he probably also guarded every pacer except Hibbert at some point tonight.

And happened to hit 2 go ahead buckets in the final 11 seconds of OT (Granted Hibbert should have been on the floor, but still). Also played every second of the 2nd half and OT without a blow

Now he did have some rough moments tonight and in general I didn't think too highly of his defensive performance even with 3 blocked shots, but the fine tooth comb people take to these games can be amusing sometimes. He was generally terrific.

PCProductions · Post #1162 » by **PCProductions** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:57 am

Y'all sound real spoiled that was a pretty damn good game. 30-10-10 (in OT, granted) and a game winner??? He had his fair share of TOs and one bad one down the stretch but he was obviously clutch in the moments he needed to be. He played solid defense (not terrific, George would blow by him from time to time) and had some nice blocks. He shot 50% as well so it was just one notch below his usual efficiency but he should've gotten more foul calls than he did (especially on the go ahead layup).

His first quarter was also just terrific where he nailed jumpers in George's face. That second foul (which was total BS, George mildly flopped on it) was devastating had drastically reduced his momentum. Also how can you guys say he looked average did you SEE some of those passes? The needle thread with ~2 mins left in the 4th to Wade as well as some other passes to a cutting Wade/Birdman... It gets better the more I think about it.

I'm very optimistic for this series.

Rasho_libre · Post #1163 » by **Rasho_libre** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:21 am

I think we are getting too much in love with his RS efficiency. Playoffs are a different animal, he can't just take shots he wants in these games. This game was his most impressive game in the playoffs so far. He has bad moments but overall no one even Lebron (except game 6) plays a flawless game.

JulesWinnfield · Post #1164 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:41 am

Random stat...

Tonight was Lebron's 4th career playoff game where he recorded a triple double while scoring 30+. That matches the total of the entire NBA outside of him since 1994 (Nash, Payton, Pierce, B. Davis all did it once)

Basketball-reference game finder goes back to '86, and in that time Charles Barkley is the only other guy to have more than one such game that meets the criteria (he had two, both occurred in '93)

Of course he needed OT tonight, but still pretty impressive

ardee · Post #1165 » by **ardee** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:56 am

toodles23 wrote:
ardee wrote:Finally, this is what we've been waiting for for over a month.

That buzzer beater was absolutely Jordan-esque.

Game winner did not remind me of Jordan at all. Every game winner MJ made in the playoffs was a jumper.

I just meant the composure and coolness with which he executed the play.

_Game7_ · Post #1166 » by **_Game7_** » Thu May 23, 2013 7:19 am

King James

Rasho_libre · Post #1167 » by **Rasho_libre** » Thu May 23, 2013 7:23 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:Random stat...

Tonight was Lebron's 4th career playoff game where he recorded a triple double while scoring 30+. That matches the total of the entire NBA outside of him since 1994 (Nash, Payton, Pierce, B. Davis all did it once)

Basketball-reference game finder goes back to '86, and in that time Charles Barkley is the only other guy to have more than one such game that meets the criteria (he had two, both occurred in '93)

Of course he needed OT tonight, but still pretty impressive

Is there anything more to say? This guy would probably be in the top 6 all time already if Cleveland put something next to him.

colts18 · Post #1168 » by **colts18** » Thu May 23, 2013 1:08 pm

Am I the only one who notices that after Pacers FT's, LeBron is always the last guy to make it past halfcourt? He isn't on the screen until like 15 seconds left on the shot clock. I'm pretty sure its not good for the Heat offense for LeBron to be lazily jogging up the floor while the rest of the team is playing offense. It might have to do with him being fatigued.

dynamic duo · Post #1169 » by **dynamic duo** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:30 pm

LeClutch delivers, great game.

SideshowBob · Post #1170 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:39 pm

colts18 wrote:Am I the only one who notices that after Pacers FT's, LeBron is always the last guy to make it past halfcourt? He isn't on the screen until like 15 seconds left on the shot clock. I'm pretty sure its not good for the Heat offense for LeBron to be lazily jogging up the floor while the rest of the team is playing offense. It might have to do with him being fatigued.

Nope, I noticed that all night as well. He was only entering the frame halfway through the shot clock, and yeah, that certainly isn't good for the Heat offense, because he's not sucking defensive attention off the ball with his positioning/movement.

Which brings up a point that toodles brought up a few months back. This is the 17th straight month of basketball, and that includes a lockout condensed 4.5 months from last year. Fatigue may be a reasonable issue, it also may not be an issue at all, but its feasible as to why it may be an issue. An off season where he's actually "off" (like the one that's coming up) might do wonders for him if that's the case.

SideshowBob · Post #1171 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu May 23, 2013 3:29 pm

Lebron has played 25 ECF games. Here's the level of defense in those 5 series.

2007 Pistons: -2.3 (6 G)
2009 Magic: -6.4 (6 G)
2011 Bulls: -7.0 (5 G)
2012 Celtics: -6.4 (7 G)
2013 Pacers: -6.1 (1 G)

Average: -5.5 (25 G)

In those 25 games

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    TO    STL    BLK    TS%    ORTG    PER
45.4  31.2   9.2    6.8    3.6   1.7    1.3   .573    115     29.4

Excluding 2007: -6.5 (19 G)

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MP    PTS    TRB    AST    TO    STL    BLK    TS%    ORTG    PER
45.1  32.9   9.3    6.2    3.7   1.4    1.5   .584    116     29.7

CJ_18 · Post #1172 » by **CJ_18** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:23 pm

Sideshow is -2.3 or -7.0 the stronger defense? Can you give me a brief explanation of what that number means please?

colts18 · Post #1173 » by **colts18** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:25 pm

CJ_18 wrote:Sideshow is -2.3 or -7.0 the stronger defense? Can you give me a brief explanation of what that number means please?

-7 is better for defense. +7 would be better for offense. -7.0 means that the defense he faced was 7 was points per 100 possessions below the league average of points per 100 possessions allowed. For example if the league allows 105 points per 100 possessions, a defense that allows 98 points per 100 possessions is a -7.0 defense. On the flipside, an offense is better with a higher positive number

arifgokcen · Post #1174 » by **arifgokcen** » Thu May 23, 2013 4:59 pm

Those stats are just unbelievable

PCProductions · Post #1175 » by **PCProductions** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:13 pm

SideshowBob wrote:
colts18 wrote:Am I the only one who notices that after Pacers FT's, LeBron is always the last guy to make it past halfcourt? He isn't on the screen until like 15 seconds left on the shot clock. I'm pretty sure its not good for the Heat offense for LeBron to be lazily jogging up the floor while the rest of the team is playing offense. It might have to do with him being fatigued.

Nope, I noticed that all night as well. He was only entering the frame halfway through the shot clock, and yeah, that certainly isn't good for the Heat offense, because he's not sucking defensive attention off the ball with his positioning/movement.

Which brings up a point that toodles brought up a few months back. This is the 17th straight month of basketball, and that includes a lockout condensed 4.5 months from last year. Fatigue may be a reasonable issue, it also may not be an issue at all, but its feasible as to why it may be an issue. An off season where he's actually "off" (like the one that's coming up) might do wonders for him if that's the case.

I've thought about this, and maybe we jumped the gun by saying this 2013 season would be his peak when fatigue just HAS to be a factor with the olympics and lockout in mind. I just hope that if he wins another championship that he doesn't get TOO comfortable, because otherwise, he has a shot for that #1 peak.

CJ_18 · Post #1176 » by **CJ_18** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:14 pm

colts18 wrote:
CJ_18 wrote:Sideshow is -2.3 or -7.0 the stronger defense? Can you give me a brief explanation of what that number means please?

-7 is better for defense. +7 would be better for offense. -7.0 means that the defense he faced was 7 was points per 100 possessions below the league average of points per 100 possessions allowed. For example if the league allows 105 points per 100 possessions, a defense that allows 98 points per 100 possessions is a -7.0 defense. On the flipside, an offense is better with a higher positive number

Thank you. I wasn't sure because that 07 Pistons team had the lowest number and the pistons during those years were really good defensive teams.

SideshowBob · Post #1177 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:35 pm

PCProductions wrote:I've thought about this, and maybe we jumped the gun by saying this 2013 season would be his peak when fatigue just HAS to be a factor with the olympics and lockout in mind. I just hope that if he wins another championship that he doesn't get TOO comfortable, because otherwise, he has a shot for that #1 peak.

It's solidified for me. I've seen enough for him at this point to be convinced that this is his peak season. Next year only gives him the chance to push it farther.

PCProductions · Post #1178 » by **PCProductions** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:49 pm

SideshowBob wrote:
PCProductions wrote:I've thought about this, and maybe we jumped the gun by saying this 2013 season would be his peak when fatigue just HAS to be a factor with the olympics and lockout in mind. I just hope that if he wins another championship that he doesn't get TOO comfortable, because otherwise, he has a shot for that #1 peak.

It's solidified for me. I've seen enough for him at this point to be convinced that this is his peak season. Next year only gives him the chance to push it farther.

Are you saying he won't possibly match this season's statistical output? I agree that we're dead in the middle of his peak, though.

SideshowBob · Post #1179 » by **SideshowBob** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:52 pm

PCProductions wrote:
SideshowBob wrote:
PCProductions wrote:I've thought about this, and maybe we jumped the gun by saying this 2013 season would be his peak when fatigue just HAS to be a factor with the olympics and lockout in mind. I just hope that if he wins another championship that he doesn't get TOO comfortable, because otherwise, he has a shot for that #1 peak.

It's solidified for me. I've seen enough for him at this point to be convinced that this is his peak season. Next year only gives him the chance to push it farther.

Are you saying he won't possibly match this season's statistical output? I agree that we're dead in the middle of his peak, though.

Oh no, not at all. Just that of the seasons we've seen from him, this is him at his best. I don't think its crazy for him to improve a little bit further.

PCProductions · Post #1180 » by **PCProductions** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:57 pm

SideshowBob wrote:Oh no, not at all. Just that of the seasons we've seen from him, this is him at his best. I don't think its crazy for him to improve a little bit further.

Ah, I get it. I don't really think there's too much of an argument for '10 Lebron over this one, either. I mean, he may have been more explosive, but I'd rather take the improved defense, shooting and rebounding.

Lebron improves every year, I'm eager to find out what he improves for the '14 season (and, no, I don't think his FT shooting will ever change).