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Post#181 » by WD » Fri May 24, 2013 12:43 am

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Just curious, never had papa johns, how it compared to Pizza Hut ?


Papa Johns is way better. But I suppose it comes down to preference in sauce...papa johns has a really rich, robust sauce. Pizza hut has the sweet stuff

Papa Johns also tastes much better when you pop it in the microwave...

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Post#182 » by AllFor2014 » Fri May 24, 2013 12:54 am

Lebron is so good!!!! I should be coach I would give lebron the ball and have him shoot and since he the best guy ever heat will win every game!!!!!!!!!
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Post#183 » by Buju » Fri May 24, 2013 1:39 am

AllFor2014 wrote:Lebron is so good!!!! I should be coach I would give lebron the ball and have him shoot and since he the best guy ever heat will win every game!!!!!!!!!

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Post#185 » by LoveMyHeat » Fri May 24, 2013 1:47 am

"AllFor2014"? So are you a delusional Bulls fan or Cavs fan?
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Post#186 » by MastaKiiLA » Fri May 24, 2013 2:05 am

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Photoshop Hibbert into the LeBron frame with a broken arm. :lol:

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Post#187 » by MastaKiiLA » Fri May 24, 2013 2:10 am

FWIW, no coach has criticized Vogel's decision. I've heard multiple coaches agree with the decision. The critics are all writers and fans. That's pretty taking imo.

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Post#188 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Fri May 24, 2013 2:21 am

MastaKiiLA wrote:FWIW, no coach has criticized Vogel's decision. I've heard multiple coaches agree with the decision. The critics are all writers and fans. That's pretty taking imo.

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All the coaches that i have heard also said they would have had hibbert in.
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Post#189 » by mopper8 » Fri May 24, 2013 2:24 am

MastaKiiLA wrote:FWIW, no coach has criticized Vogel's decision. I've heard multiple coaches agree with the decision. The critics are all writers and fans. That's pretty taking imo.

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Despite the fact that it worked out for us, I also think it was the smart play. 2.2 seconds is barely any time and they should be able to keep Lebron from the rim 1-on-1 when there's that little time left. It was only a complete breakdown from both George and Young that made that play possible. With Hibbert he basically would've had to concede an open Bosh J or an open Allen J, both of which are over 50% shots.
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Post#190 » by homecourtloss » Fri May 24, 2013 3:10 am

The Pacers are going to force us to play big and eschew small ball. We tend to create a lot if our separation with the small unit spreading the floor and hitting 3s off of LBJ's penetration. We tend to go on those quick little 8 point spurts with Allen/Battier/Miller hitting threes.

Our offense was pretty good the first half other than the turnovers. I know IND isn't going to back down in the second game but if we execute better early, it will allow us more time to play small ball with a lead where we can break out to a bigger lead.
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Post#191 » by homecourtloss » Fri May 24, 2013 3:12 am

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MastaKiiLA wrote:FWIW, no coach has criticized Vogel's decision. I've heard multiple coaches agree with the decision. The critics are all writers and fans. That's pretty taking imo.

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Despite the fact that it worked out for us, I also think it was the smart play. 2.2 seconds is barely any time and they should be able to keep Lebron from the rim 1-on-1 when there's that little time left. It was only a complete breakdown from both George and Young that made that play possible. With Hibbert he basically would've had to concede an open Bosh J or an open Allen J, both of which are over 50% shots.


Exactly. I has it was, there wasn't any time to spare after King scored. You just don't think anyone will have enough time to drive that ball.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

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Post#192 » by homecourtloss » Fri May 24, 2013 3:17 am

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dreamchaser wrote:Vogel is a high class idiot. He responds to the media when they questioned him about sitting Hibbert in the final possession by saying "We didn't want to give up a wide open jump shot by Bosh"...WTF? Haha a layup is the most high percentage shot in basketball and on top of that I don't really remember Bosh hitting more than 1 jump shot last night...


Bosh was 2-4 outside of 15 feet last night, and on the season he was over 50% from 16-24 feet. He shot 58% from the top of the key, which is roughly the same efficiency as a Tony Parker layup. Vogel's position is pretty defensible there.

Sure, an open Lebron layup is going to be an even higher percentage shot, approaching 100%, but then, what are the chances you get an open Lebron layup on that play? The fact that it did happen doesn't mean it inevitably had to happen. There were only 2.2 seconds left. Lebron only could've got to the rim faster if he caught the ball on the move towards the rim, and yet he still barely got the layup off in time. If he had to use a hesitation or head fake or cross over or even just size up George for a split second before taking a dribble, he likely doesn't have time to get the rim.

If George takes a better angle chasing Lebron, it's likely that Miami ends up with a lower % shot--a contested Lebron pull-up J or a rushed runner in the lane--than an open Bosh jumper. It's pretty reasonable of Vogel to expect George to take a good angle. He didn't take a good angle because Miami used a really nice play design--they basically ran the same set they ran at the end of regulation (Ray's missed 3) but without a Lebron brush screen. In regulation, George had to, and rightly did, switch onto Ray. In OT, he had to think for a moment about whether or not he should switch onto Ray, and that got him out of position.

I don't think Vogel's play there was dumb, even though it's getting roundly criticized today.


As almost always, this poster show more intelligence than a whole host of fans, media types, and critics. Then again, those aforementioned media types are paid to create controversy where there is none.
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Post#193 » by homecourtloss » Fri May 24, 2013 3:23 am

Slot Machine wrote:What a game, I had us dead in the water quite a few times.

Our team looks like we need some work though. You're not gonna get open 3 pointers by just driving and kicking against this team, you need to run sets to get the shooters open. Battier can't guard West. At all. That matchup needs to end. Any word on Mario?


So true about the open threes. Not allowing them is a priority for this Pacers team. There are some possibilities in transition but in the half court, going small is losing the normal advantages we usually have.
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Post#194 » by GameTime_3 » Fri May 24, 2013 3:43 am

Re-watched the first half of game....

I still can't figure out some of the calls. Every time, one team or another looked to be making a small run, some kind of BS call was made.

Shane Battier can NOT PLAY as a PF vs West or Hibbert. When Battier was on the floor, we rarely got any of the 50/50 balls. Most of the rebounds we got were long rebounds or LeBron/Wade coming in to clean up, rarely did Battier get a hand on the ball or box out West or Hibbert. Forcing Battier was Terrible! I mean, down right awful in the first half.

Wade looks like he had a nice pep in his step. Even when he didn't have the ball, he was getting back and TRYING. Wade was in the game and smart.

Walking Second Half again NOW
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Post#195 » by DWadeno3 » Fri May 24, 2013 12:41 pm

Heat_Fan_87 wrote:Good point. I just think that lebron is going to get to the rim regardless how PG guards him. At the least he would have been fouled(thankfully he wasn't)


No he wouldn't have, not without making a move and move costs time and would've forced him to take a jumper anyways. The whole point is, George allowed James a straight line drive to the basket, which was the only way for him get there in 2.2 seconds. As mopper already stated, if LeBron has to make one move, he won't be able to get to the rim in time and would have to settle for a contested jump shot or floater, which is a lower percentage shot than an open Bosh jumper shot in rhythm.
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Post#196 » by MastaKiiLA » Fri May 24, 2013 6:18 pm

Vogel has been good to take the blame for what was essentially PG's mistake. LeBron made an immediate decision and went full speed in a straight line to the rim and still barely made it in time. That was George's error, but whatever. At least it's not our team getting unfairly bashed this time.

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