The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

An Unbiased Fan · Post #1261 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:07 pm

CJ_18 wrote:I hear you. LeBron is the reason the heat struggle when they do. And while we're on the topic, Kobe is the reason the Lakers struggled this year. He under-utilized Metta World Peace and Earl Clark and turned Steve Blake and Darius Morris into props. And what about Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol? they were all stars in 2010 and I don't know why Kobe didn't utilize them and turned (Pau) into a jumpshooter!??!? Maybe the Lakers shouldn't have relied so much on Kobe because you rely on him too much when you could be getting Jodie Meeks into the flow of the game. Its clear that Kobe and LeBron aren't the only consistently great players on their teams and they shouldn't be relied on as so.

Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh... :roll:

colts18 · Post #1262 » by **colts18** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:10 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh...

How did Kobe turn Nash from a 13-11 star PG to a jumpshooter? Why did he force Howard to go from a 20-15 center to a 17-12 center?

An Unbiased Fan · Post #1263 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:20 pm

colts18 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh...

How did Kobe turn Nash from a 13-11 star PG to a jumpshooter? Why did he force Howard to go from a 20-15 center to a 17-12 center?

Willful ignorance is always the last resort of someone who has lost an argument.

Sure, let's pretend that Nash didn't get hurt the 2nd game of the season, or that Dwight was 70% and coming back form a major back injury. Keep avoiding my point about Bosh's under-utilization, and divert it to useless quips like this.

Nothing is ever Lebron's fault, is it? It's all good as long as he's putting up huge box scores. Why bother capitalizing on Bosh's talents when it could balance the floor.

TheChosen618 · Post #1264 » by **TheChosen618** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:21 pm

colts18 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh...

How did Kobe turn Nash from a 13-11 star PG to a jumpshooter? Why did he force Howard to go from a 20-15 center to a 17-12 center?

Good point, not to mention Dwight stopped playing great defense because he wasn't getting his touches. This is all on Kobe and nobody else.

lol at a Kobe fan criticizing another player for under-utilizing someone.

GSP · Post #1265 » by **GSP** » Sun May 26, 2013 7:51 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
colts18 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh...

How did Kobe turn Nash from a 13-11 star PG to a jumpshooter? Why did he force Howard to go from a 20-15 center to a 17-12 center?

Willful ignorance is always the last resort of someone who has lost an argument.

Sure, let's pretend that Nash didn't get hurt the 2nd game of the season, or that Dwight was 70% and coming back form a major back injury. Keep avoiding my point about Bosh's under-utilization, and divert it to useless quips like this.

Nothing is ever Lebron's fault, is it? It's all good as long as he's putting up huge box scores. Why bother capitalizing on Bosh's talents when it could balance the floor.

Bro whats the point of holding something against a player like this? I know your account on here is a gimmick but you have to be bored by now same routine all the time.....you prolly wont post or give Lebron props if hes the reason for a Heat win tonight

An Unbiased Fan · Post #1266 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sun May 26, 2013 8:11 pm

GSP wrote:Bro whats the point of holding something against a player like this? I know your account on here is a gimmick but you have to be bored by now same routine all the time.....you prolly wont post or give Lebron props if hes the reason for a Heat win tonight

I don't hold anything against Lebron. My first comment in this thread was yesterday, and it dealt with how Lebron needs to develop a 2-man game with Bosh. I never said he sucks, nor did I blame him for the game 2 loss. The problem seems to be that any criticism of Lebron's game is seen as a slight.

orangeparka · Post #1267 » by **orangeparka** » Sun May 26, 2013 9:10 pm

TheChosen618 wrote:
colts18 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Yeh bro, cause an old Metta, Clark, Blake, and Morris are the equal of a Prime Chris Bosh...

How did Kobe turn Nash from a 13-11 star PG to a jumpshooter? Why did he force Howard to go from a 20-15 center to a 17-12 center?

Good point, not to mention Dwight stopped playing great defense because he wasn't getting his touches. This is all on Kobe and nobody else.

lol at a Kobe fan criticizing another player for under-utilizing someone.

Lmao I know, it's HILARIOUS. Just remembering the offseason and the whole "Heat killers" thing. :lol:

An no, of course it's just coincidence that both Nash and Howard regressed! Sure Dwight played 76 games but he wasn't healthy! :lol:

Colbinii · Post #1268 » by **Colbinii** » Sun May 26, 2013 10:01 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
GSP wrote:Bro whats the point of holding something against a player like this? I know your account on here is a gimmick but you have to be bored by now same routine all the time.....you prolly wont post or give Lebron props if hes the reason for a Heat win tonight

I don't hold anything against Lebron. My first comment in this thread was yesterday, and it dealt with how Lebron needs to develop a 2-man game with Bosh. I never said he sucks, nor did I blame him for the game 2 loss. The problem seems to be that any criticism of Lebron's game is seen as a slight.

Im sorry, but for how many posts you have, you come off very ignorant.

Spo and staff have built the team to what they believe suits LeBron best. Clearly they believe getting the other 4 players involved is better than running a 2 man game with Bosh.

You can't blame Lebron for doing what he is told to do. That is what coaches are for, not players.

edit: Please stay on topic. No need to bring up Kobe into any of this as they are different players and one is on the wrong side of 30. Comparing the two is comparing apples to expired milk at this point.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #1269 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sun May 26, 2013 11:06 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Im sorry, but for how many posts you have, you come off very ignorant.

Spo and staff have built the team to what they believe suits LeBron best. Clearly they believe getting the other 4 players involved is better than running a 2 man game with Bosh.

You can't blame Lebron for doing what he is told to do. That is what coaches are for, not players.

Not sure where you disagree with me then. I've been arguing FOR getting the other 4 involved. :lol:

A 2-man game between Lebron/Bosh wouldn't freeze others out, but instead help floor balance. That's kindof my point. Go re-read my first post in this thread a few pages back.

And again this isn't about "blame". It's about whether one guy being so ball-dominant is as effective as a team that utilizes all player at their optimal level. The whole point of the Big 3 in Miami was to have....a Big 3.

edit: Please stay on topic. No need to bring up Kobe into any of this as they are different players and one is on the wrong side of 30. Comparing the two is comparing apples to expired milk at this point.

I didn't bring up Kobe.

ElGee · Post #1270 » by **ElGee** » Sun May 26, 2013 11:21 pm

Unbiased Fan wrote:He severely under-utilizes Bosh, and again, hasn't developed a solid two man game yet.

I'm curious about why you think this. I have the opposite impression, and I'd be curious to hear Sideshow Bob's take. Scoring averages are arbitrary and I don't see how they are important to Global Offense. You seemed bothered that Bosh doesn't score 20, but he scores 17. I don't see how that's an issue. The "2-man game" thing might be an issue, but Miami uses Bosh constantly in this kind of role and it's sometimes said Bosh is their most valuable player. What do you have in mind for how they should use Bosh?

Colbinii · Post #1271 » by **Colbinii** » Sun May 26, 2013 11:29 pm

The edit wasn't to be directed to you, but rather Heat fans who have to find ways to bash Kobe just because someone has a different opinion as them on Lebron.

I don't think having a 2 man game is needed or warranted at all. When 4 of your best shooters combine 1-9 from 3 and 5-20 from the field, you aren't winning games.

The only change that needs to be warranted is the result of the shots taken.

whitehops · Post #1272 » by **whitehops** » Mon May 27, 2013 12:12 am

An Unbiased Fan wrote:I've been arguing FOR getting the other 4 involved.

I don't know what you are arguing, to be honest. the heat have the best offense in the league and they shot a sliver under 50% from the field. their supporting cast scores very evenly besides the big 3 so I don't see how they aren't getting involved. if you disregard Anderson's 2.9 FGA/G then they have their three best players (fg%-wise) shooting the ball the most by far and shooting efficiently. what other team has their three top scorers all shooting above 52% from the field? if the heat still played the way they did in 2011 then you would be absolutely correct but they share the ball a lot more and have a very balanced offense.

also, bosh was the best mid range shooter in the league this season, how are they not utilizing him? he gets open mid range looks which he knocks down at an elite rate. it is true that he drove more in Toronto but he was primarily a jump shooter, that aided him being labeled 'soft'. I live in the GTA and watched bosh all the time when he played here, he used his shot to set up his drives but if he could he would shoot that mid range shot. it's not like bosh has turned his game around 180 degrees just to fit in the heat's offense.

answer me this. name another player that has an assist to turnover ratio that LeBron does, that also shoots a ridiculous percentage from the field for someone that takes 18 FGA/G. now answer this question. why would you take it out of the hands of the most productive, efficient player in the league BY FAR.

WinisKing · Post #1273 » by **WinisKing** » Mon May 27, 2013 1:48 am

What an unreal half by the Heat, Lebron finally re-establishes himself in the post

GSP · Post #1274 » by **GSP** » Mon May 27, 2013 1:50 am

Heat prolly just had their best 1st half in franchise history
Lebron +17 and Spo finally posts him up more

colts18 · Post #1275 » by **colts18** » Mon May 27, 2013 1:51 am

About time the Heat came out the gate with 100% intensity instead of letting inferior teams hang around. That loss might have finally woken up the Heat

SideshowBob · Post #1276 » by **SideshowBob** » Mon May 27, 2013 1:52 am

Internet's been down the past two days (I'm on my phone currently) so I'll try to post thoughts on these last two games tomorrow.

Miami's posted a ~165 ORTG in the first half.

Mutnt · Post #1277 » by **Mutnt** » Mon May 27, 2013 3:08 am

Tale of two halves? Interesting... however, the most important stat was the W, followed by 0 turnovers. This was one of the best decision making games he's had in a while.

GSP · Post #1278 » by **GSP** » Mon May 27, 2013 3:32 am

Great game and Birdman has been such a ridiculous fit.

SideshowBob · Post #1279 » by **SideshowBob** » Mon May 27, 2013 3:43 am

Miami's maintained a 121 ORTG in this series thus far

CJ_18 · Post #1280 » by **CJ_18** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:01 am

great first half... he was fired up and had that mean attitude we saw last year in indiana when Miami was down 2-1.. he made it clear he wanted to impose himself.

Quiet 2nd half but that wasn't anything to worry about.. LeBron tends to really want to come out firing in must-win games and almost make it clear by halftime that they're going to win... with his teammates playing well he didn't need to do much in the 2nd half.