ComboGuardCity's Post Lottery Game Plan

[ComboGuardCity]

This will be my final plan until after the draft. Some things have changed:
1. I don't think going after OJ Mayo is plausible, especially after Cuban has said he wants to win in 2 years. Seems to me like he's going to give Mayo time to grow. So, here it goes:

2. Eric Gordon is not worth what the Hornets will most likely get. I see Boston dealing Garnett to a contender and then dealing Bradley for Gordon and tanking for Wiggins/Parker in 2014. He's not worth an asset.

3. While I think Ledo, will be great, based off of my new plan, I think we need to address defense instead of scoring if we land who I want in the lottery.

Sign Brian Shaw

Draft Day

1. #8: Draft Shabazz. He's our SG of the future IMO. Our Go-to perimeter Scorer.
2. Buy the Mavs pick (Get around the stipulations if possible). Draft Tony Mitchell. Becomes our Stretch 4 on the bench
3. Trade up into the late first round with our 2 first rounders to lock in Goodwin on a 4 year contract.

So far we are at:

Knight/Goodwin (Place Holder, I'll explain later)
Shabazz/Stuckey/English
Middleton/Singler/Jonas
Monroe/CV/Mitchell
Drummond/Slava

Post Draft Trades


1.

Detroit Out: Rodney Stuckey
Detroit In: Kendrick Perkins, Jeremy Lamb

OKC sheds Perkin's contract at the expense of Lamb and we gain our backup big man to keep our 2nd unit's D respectable. OKC gives Stuckey a fresh start.

2. Detroit out: Jonas Jerebko, Kyle Singler
Detroit In: Andre Miller, Wilson Chandler

Jonas proved he has some value, and this saves Denver cap in the long run and allows them to resign both Brewer and AI, while also getting a decent role player in Singler. In addition, Miller has over stayed his welcome in Denver. Take away his big game 1 and he's been a disgruntled old man there. Goodwin and Knight learn how to play some point from Miller as well.



Now we are at:
Knight/Miller/Goodwin
Shabazz/Lamb/English
Chandler/Middleton
Monroe/Mitchell/Charlie V
Drummond/Perkins/Slava

Obviously, that lineup is still pretty young and we've got 14 players under roster. We need a hard nosed vet who can keep this group Accountable.

Our loan Free Agency Signing: Jerry Stackhouse for the Vet Min.

2013-2014 Pistons

Starting Lineup:
PG: Knight
SG: Shabazz
SF: Chandler
PF: Monroe
C: Drummond

2nd Unit:
PG: Miller
SG: Lamb
SF: Middleton
PF: Mitchell (CV if Mitchell is not ready)
C: Perkins

Mop up:
Goodwin/CV

Suits:
English
Stackhouse
Slava

[Pharaoh]

Miller, Perkins and Stack are some nice veteran pros to mentor the kids....

not sold on Mitchell and would prefer MCW or KCP at #13... meaning we'd take a big with the later first instead of Goodwinn

I'd also amnesty CV-DNP and spend that money on another quality vet... give someone a 3 year deal to be that veteran voice of reason in the locker room

[ImHeisenberg]

I love your plan, and if they could somehow pull that off, it would be one of the most triumphant off seasons on paper we've ever seen in Detroit.

I'm not really high on Goodwin, but hey, this is your plan.

Also, it seems like a lowball offer for Chandler and Miller from Denver. Your reasoning is sound, it opens up money to resign Igoudala and Brewer. But, playing the hypothetical game, its great!

The bench might struggle to score. Lamb didn't get much experience in OKC, he would effectively be a rookie, you could just about make that same case for Middleton as little he was used. Mitchell would be a question mark, and we all know Perkins is dead weight on offense. But, Miller could certainly help that second unity tick.

10/10, CCG. I like your plan a lot.

[ComboGuardCity]

Salaries 2013:
1. Knight 2.95
2. Shabazz 2.36
3. Chandler 6.34
4. Monroe 4.09
5. Drummond 2.46
6. Miller 5.0
7. Lamb 2.11
8. Middleton .76
9. Mitchell 2.02
10. Perkins 8.48
11. Goodwin 1.03
12. CV 8.58
13. English .79
14. Stackhouse 1.3
15. Slava 1.5

$49.77mill. Make the Minimum Cap by 400K

[ComboGuardCity]

I'd also amnesty CV-DNP and spend that money on another quality vet... give someone a 3 year deal to be that veteran voice of reason in the locker room

I thought about that too. I just couldn't find anyone worth 7mill a year who we could sign long term and then take away their playing time once our younger player got better.

[ImHeisenberg]

I'd also amnesty CV-DNP and spend that money on another quality vet... give someone a 3 year deal to be that veteran voice of reason in the locker room

I thought about that too. I just couldn't find anyone worth 7mill a year who we could sign long term and then take away their playing time once our younger player got better.

Villi is better off kept around to grease a deal for a team looking for a salary dump, IMO.

Plus, he doesn't deserve to be paid to go away. Let him waste another season sitting on his arse.

[ComboGuardCity]

I love your plan, and if they could somehow pull that off, it would be one of the most triumphant off seasons on paper we've ever seen in Detroit.

I'm not really high on Goodwin, but hey, this is your plan.

Also, it seems like a lowball offer for Chandler and Miller from Denver. Your reasoning is sound, it opens up money to resign Igoudala and Brewer. But, playing the hypothetical game, its great!

The bench might struggle to score. Lamb didn't get much experience in OKC, he would effectively be a rookie, you could just about make that same case for Middleton as little he was used. Mitchell would be a question mark, and we all know Perkins is dead weight on offense. But, Miller could certainly help that second unity tick.

10/10, CCG. I like your plan a lot.

Thanks. I'm hoping Joe puts on a thowback show this summer and makes a lot of moves. The reason I like Goodwin is really his defensive potential. I think he can be a bigger Eric Bledsoe, which is a great player in this league.

The Denver offer is probably on the low end. I'd add a 1st (With the stipulation of being 2 years after we give back the Charlotte pick). I think that could get it done.

[ImHeisenberg]

I agree with where you're going with Goodwin. His biggest knock right now is his shooting stroke. But, he's very athletic, and certainly can project to being a good perimeter defender. And, in your plan, he wouldn't be put in a position where he has to immediately contribute, and can take his time and learn the game.

For the Denver deal, they can't add a 1st rounder while the one that's owed to the Bobcats is out there, due to the rule that you can't go two consecutive seasons without a 1st round pick, and Detroit not being certain when that pick will change hands until it actually does.

[ComboGuardCity]

I agree with where you're going with Goodwin. His biggest knock right now is his shooting stroke. But, he's very athletic, and certainly can project to being a good perimeter defender. And, in your plan, he wouldn't be put in a position where he has to immediately contribute, and can take his time and learn the game.

For the Denver deal, they can't add a 1st rounder while the one that's owed to the Bobcats is out there, due to the rule that you can't go two consecutive seasons without a 1st round pick, and Detroit not being certain when that pick will change hands until it actually does.

Interestingly enough you can still trade a heavily protected pick. There just has to be a stipulation that its owed 2 seasons after the first pick is given up

[ImHeisenberg]

In that event, I'd gladly pay you in 2018 for a Wilson Chandler today.

[vege]

There is absolutely no way OKC or Denver touch any of those trades. Post it somewhere else and you'll get LoLed pretty hard. Andre Miller would never come off the bench for Knight, that's heresy and laughable.

I'm also pretty sure Dallas wouldn't "sell" their pick they'd at VERY LEAST get an Euro or multiple 2nd in return.

Lastly #38 and #55 will not land you a 1st round pick.

So all the trades are pretty much unrealistic.

[ComboGuardCity]

There is absolutely no way OKC or Denver touch any of those trades. Post it somewhere else and you'll get LoLed pretty hard. Andre Miller would never come off the bench for Knight, that's heresy and laughable.

I'm also pretty sure Dallas wouldn't "sell" their pick they'd at VERY LEAST get an Euro or multiple 2nd in return.

Lastly #38 and #55 will not land you a 1st round pick.

So all the trades are pretty much unrealistic.

1. Andre Miller doesn't have a choice whether he comes off the bench or not. He's under contract. He'll be getting 25-30mpg regardless as our primary 3rd guard.

2. Perkins is deadweight. This isn't 2007. He's a bad value on a team that can't afford paying the luxury.

3. Teams in the 20s will outright sell their pick this year. OKC doesn't want to pay 2 rookies. You think they'll keep 29? We're giving them an opportunity to still draft unguaranteed players instead of selling the pick. We probably wouldn't even have to give up picks to move back into the 1st.

[Minas]

I like this plan a lot. But, I must start by saying I don't anything about Tony Mitchell so I don't have an opinion on drafting him. My only concern is Perkins, after watching him in the Playoffs I have really soured on him, he was beyond horrible and literally had a negative PER. However, I'd like to get rid of Stuck and pick up Lamb who looks to have some potential. I think if this were to actually happen it would be a home run offseason.

[Blkbrd671]

i would much rather find a way to get KG than grab perkins. Though i like everything else. Very Nicely done sir

[Blkbrd671]

There is absolutely no way OKC or Denver touch any of those trades. Post it somewhere else and you'll get LoLed pretty hard. Andre Miller would never come off the bench for Knight, that's heresy and laughable.

I'm also pretty sure Dallas wouldn't "sell" their pick they'd at VERY LEAST get an Euro or multiple 2nd in return.

Lastly #38 and #55 will not land you a 1st round pick.

So all the trades are pretty much unrealistic.

OKC would definitely be interested in that trade, Perkins is deadweight, and Lamb is still all potential. Stuckey also becomes a very nice expiring, and possibly motivated on a contending team. OKC needs to take a look at its front court and reassess.

Denver would most definitely do that trade, they need to be looking at some roster moves and change something up. Even with Gallo on the team, they weren't that impressive. JJ's contract is very nice and Kyle Singler becomes a younger Wilson chandler that can shoot the ball. Also i think Miller is a FA, and if so i would be willing to slightly over pay him

[The_Irony]

Id love chandler but im sure Denver would rather keep him and let Brewer walk.

[Blkbrd671]

Id love chandler but im sure Denver would rather keep him and let Brewer walk.

i think there problem is that they need to let both walk if they want to get beyond just making the playoffs

[coolness]

I hate Perkins.

And you probably meant to amnesty CV and insert Marion's expiring. That is how the 13th pick Tony Mitchell got to us, no?

But, interesting idea. Solid squad all-around.

[vege]

There is absolutely no way OKC or Denver touch any of those trades. Post it somewhere else and you'll get LoLed pretty hard. Andre Miller would never come off the bench for Knight, that's heresy and laughable.

I'm also pretty sure Dallas wouldn't "sell" their pick they'd at VERY LEAST get an Euro or multiple 2nd in return.

Lastly #38 and #55 will not land you a 1st round pick.

So all the trades are pretty much unrealistic.

OKC would definitely be interested in that trade, Perkins is deadweight, and Lamb is still all potential. Stuckey also becomes a very nice expiring, and possibly motivated on a contending team. OKC needs to take a look at its front court and reassess.

Denver would most definitely do that trade, they need to be looking at some roster moves and change something up. Even with Gallo on the team, they weren't that impressive. JJ's contract is very nice and Kyle Singler becomes a younger Wilson chandler that can shoot the ball. Also i think Miller is a FA, and if so i would be willing to slightly over pay him

ROFL, as much as Perkins is negative value 1st, he is a much needed post defender and they do not have anyone to replace him and this trade is not giving them anyone to replace him. Stuckey is garbage and Lamb is still all potential but has value.

Denver would most definately NOT do that trade and they would laugh pretty hard. JJ is garbage Singler is meh and as old as Chandler and they are both not comparable at all, Miller is still under contract. Chandler has a very important role in Denver, with Brewer and Mozgov expiring he plays extended minutes at PF behind Faried and he plays SF behind Gallo hell he even play minutes at SG behind Iggy. Andre Miller is a very important player for Denver as well. Without him they would have no backup for Lawson.

Like I said, post this trades somewhere else and get laughed pretty hard, I'd love to see both of you get loled as usual.

[HotelVitale]

Teams in the 20s will outright sell their pick this year. OKC doesn't want to pay 2 rookies. You think they'll keep 29? We're giving them an opportunity to still draft unguaranteed players instead of selling the pick. We probably wouldn't even have to give up picks to move back into the 1st.

I know there's no point in talking sense to a wishful-thinking homer, but, once again teams will NOT be selling late firsts from now on, or at least only on very rare and unusual occasions. I've explained this like 5 times on this board: the new CBA lets you cut guys after two seasons, which means if you're picking in the 20s you only have to invest a grand total of $2m ($1m for two seasons) in a 1st rounder. The cheapest you can possibly sign any player for is $500,000 a season, so you're saving at most $1m over 2 years by getting rid of a 1st rounder. And in saving this $1m, you're giving up the chance to save tens of millions of dollars by getting a guy like Ty Lawson, Ryan Anderson, Kenneth Faried, Serge Ibaka, Nic Batum, George Hill, Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson (all drafted in the 20s), who can make very high-level contributions while making $1-2m per year. Getting a big-time contributor on a cheap cheap rookie deal is the absolute jackpot in the modern NBA. The chances that a late first rounder becomes a very good contributor like these guys aren't that great--maybe 15-20%--but the value is so great you have to try. Also, most guys in the 20s at the very least prove worthy of roster spots, for example players like Darrell Arthur, Darren Collison, Courtney Lee, etc, who are the median for picks in the 20s. You're paying these guys peanuts while they're on their rook deals to be backups or 3rd stringers who can give you decent minutes and fill up a roster spot on the cheap. And even if a guy is a pretty lame pick, history shows you can always dump him on another team that still sees some potential (e.g. Omri Casspi, Chr Eyenga, Donte Greene), or just cut them loose after two years (like Nolan Smith this year). I've explained this elsewhere in greater detail, but the numbers are very clear that a later 1st round pick is by far the best investment you can make as a NBA GM.

The only case that you don't make that gamble is if you are a) over the tax, b) already have a completely full roster, and c) have absolutely no other way of cutting $1m. There are no teams that fit those three stipulations this offseason, and I doubt there have been many in NBA history. Teams that don't want to add too much young talent may still be more likely to bundle two picks to move up--e.g. OKC giving us 12 and 29 for our 8, or the move the Cavs did last year--but no GM would outright sell a pick, and only an epically stupid owner would order him to do so. The pick-selling window closed with Robert Sarver's public shaming a few years ago.