Offers for Gasol?

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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#181 » by LApwnd » Tue May 28, 2013 7:30 pm

turk3d wrote:
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turk3d wrote:I'd offer David Lee + Andris Biedrins or Richard Jefferson. Works great for the Lakers if they keep Dwight (Dwight masks Lee's defensive liabilities and Lee masks Dwights offensive).

A team of

Nash
Kobe
Metta (or other)
Lee
Howard

seems like it would mesh well.

Gasol gives the Warriors an improved post player and an equally good passer which they need.


no thx, more money to pay to lee/whoever this upcoming season and waste our cap room for 2014/2015, not worth it for a player like Lee.

Hate to break it to you, but you're cap problem isn't 2014/15, it's next year (you have less than $10M on the books for 2014/15). If you are able to sign Dwight, you go way over and pay 2nd year offender taxes. If you don't then you basically might as well tank next year. With what you have this next year, Lee would be minimal in 2014/15.

Even if you release all the players who you have options on next year (getting you probably right at the lux line) as soon as you sign someone decent (which you will in order to field a team) you're going back over. So whatever you do, you're between a rock and hard place. Your team needs a direction and with all the uncertainly existing down in LA, I don't think you have one yet.

If you really want to move Gasol, then this is what's out there and from I've seen thus far, there aren't too many who are going to be willing to bail you guys out, unless they think they are being fairly compensated. You better be planning on amnestying some one, that's all I can say at this point but this is a reasonable offer compared to what's being put out there, like it or not.

you're offer is NO where close to a bail out, so i'm not sure what you're arguing here...you're adding more salary to our books for 2013/2014 and Lee will eat into 2014 cap space. He's not a player thats worth killing out cap plans for not even close, if anyone is getting bailed out its YOUR team by unloading Lee contract for a massive expiring.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#182 » by turk3d » Tue May 28, 2013 8:08 pm

You only have $10M on the books right now scheduled that year. What are you talking about killing your cap space? You're going to have to pay somebody. Might as well be someone who can play. lol
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#183 » by shagadelic45 » Tue May 28, 2013 8:13 pm

the GS idea is bad...lakers dont want the extra year/s of lee's deal
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#184 » by LApwnd » Tue May 28, 2013 8:14 pm

turk3d wrote:You only have $10M on the books right now scheduled that year. What are you talking about killing your cap space? You're going to have to pay somebody. Might as well be someone who can play. lol


uh NO!, rather that $10mill with another 40+ to spend than have 35 mill on the books and again how exactly are we getting bailed out in your scenario? :-?
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#185 » by turk3d » Tue May 28, 2013 8:28 pm

shagadelic45 wrote:the GS idea is bad...lakers dont want the extra year/s of lee's deal

Well then we don't want Gasol's 20M.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#186 » by LApwnd » Tue May 28, 2013 8:32 pm

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shagadelic45 wrote:the GS idea is bad...lakers dont want the extra year/s of lee's deal

Well then we don't want Gasol's 20M.


you made the offer, nobody asked for Lee :roll:
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#187 » by JES12 » Tue May 28, 2013 8:33 pm

shagadelic45 wrote:who wants a top 10 big

cle? cap space and say the miami pick?

dal? cap space and a pick?

Reading that I thought you were talking about Marc.

shagadelic45 wrote:on an expiring deal .....he was a tough fit with dwight and in dantoni's system and had some injuries but still one of the top bigs in the game

Reading that, it sounds like you mean Pau.

Not sure which you are talking about. I know Pau is not worth $19 mil of cap space and a pick. That much is for sure. I I can probably pick 15 or so big men that are arguably better.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#188 » by turk3d » Tue May 28, 2013 9:03 pm

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shagadelic45 wrote:the GS idea is bad...lakers dont want the extra year/s of lee's deal

Well then we don't want Gasol's 20M.


you made the offer, nobody asked for Lee :roll:

It's cool. That what it's all about. I din't put Pau on the table, someone else did. I put what I thought would be reasonable. You don't have to take it. No seat off my back. BTW, you're not the only Lkaer fan (neither am I the only Warrior fan). There's probably a lot of Warrior fans who wouldn't do it either. Lee was an all star PF this year and made 3rd team all league. :)
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#189 » by LApwnd » Tue May 28, 2013 9:07 pm

turk3d wrote:
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turk3d wrote:Well then we don't want Gasol's 20M.


you made the offer, nobody asked for Lee :roll:

It's cool. That what it's all about. I din't put Pau on the table, someone else did. I put what I thought would be reasonable. You don't have to take it. No seat off my back. BTW, you're not the only Lkaer fan (neither am I the only Warrior fan). There's probably a lot of Warrior fans who wouldn't do it either. Lee was an all star PF this year and made 3rd team all league. :)


everybody use to be a former something, Pau was a former MULTI all-star and has made 2nd team all nba but who cares bout that part now. You say that now bout Lee but in a couple of years when Thompsons up for an ext. and depending on how you deal with Bogut, you and the rest of your fan base wont feel that way bout Lee's contract.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#190 » by shrink » Tue May 28, 2013 9:18 pm

Gasol was on the bench 58% of the time last season, so lesser players had to be on the floor while he collected his $19 mil in paychecks.

You know who probably cares about that part? Owners.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#191 » by turk3d » Tue May 28, 2013 9:27 pm

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you made the offer, nobody asked for Lee :roll:

It's cool. That what it's all about. I din't put Pau on the table, someone else did. I put what I thought would be reasonable. You don't have to take it. No seat off my back. BTW, you're not the only Lkaer fan (neither am I the only Warrior fan). There's probably a lot of Warrior fans who wouldn't do it either. Lee was an all star PF this year and made 3rd team all league. :)


everybody use to be a former something, Pau was a former MULTI all-star and has made 2nd team all nba but who cares bout that part now. You say that now bout Lee but in a couple of years when Thompsons up for an ext. and depending on how you deal with Bogut, you and the rest of your fan base wont feel that way bout Lee's contract.

In a few years he'll be close to an expiring and I think he's just reached his peak which should be good for those. We'll be abe to move him then if we want to (should be pretty easy) or we might just keep him and let him expire the way you'll probably have to with Pau (15M is significantly better than 19M). And when you make deals for players, you base them on current ones, not past one generally speaking, otherwise we could pull quite a few good prospects out of retirement I imagine.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#192 » by SCourGe OF GoD » Tue May 28, 2013 9:50 pm

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turk3d wrote:
shagadelic45 wrote:the GS idea is bad...lakers dont want the extra year/s of lee's deal

Well then we don't want Gasol's 20M.


you made the offer, nobody asked for Lee :roll:

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would be funny to hear an actual gm do that...

GSW GM: Hey mitch ..offer is Lee + fillers for Gasol

Kupchack: Eh we dont want Lee's extra year ruins our 2014 plan

GSW GM: Well then we dont want Gasols 20mill you jerk. click *
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#193 » by turk3d » Tue May 28, 2013 9:53 pm

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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#194 » by Leto » Tue May 28, 2013 11:58 pm

Actually, including roster holds, the Lakers will have about 18 Mil in salary IF they don't sign Howard. If they sign Howard, they'll have about 37 mil in salaries. Assume the cap is 60 mil. So:

1) Nash + 42 mil in space

Or,

2) Nash + Howard + 22 mil in cap space.

Of course, both scenarios assume Kobe retires--which I doubt. But you never know. Hopefully not, but his injury could prove debilitating. For arguments sake, let's say Kobe eats at least 10 mil of that space.

3) Nash + Kobe + 32 mil in space

Or,

4) Nash + Kobe + Howard + 12 mil in space.

The most likely scenario is #4. That's why, if the Lakers sign Howard, it might be wiser for the Lakers to take on longer term money in any Gasol deal. That's how you maximize his trade value. Otherwise, they'll have 12 mil in space which--while it can get you a good player--won't be able to bring back the talent that maximizing a Gasol trade would yield.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#195 » by LApwnd » Wed May 29, 2013 4:48 am

Leto wrote:Actually, including roster holds, the Lakers will have about 18 Mil in salary IF they don't sign Howard. If they sign Howard, they'll have about 37 mil in salaries. Assume the cap is 60 mil. So:

1) Nash + 42 mil in space

Or,

2) Nash + Howard + 22 mil in cap space.

Of course, both scenarios assume Kobe retires--which I doubt. But you never know. Hopefully not, but his injury could prove debilitating. For arguments sake, let's say Kobe eats at least 10 mil of that space.

3) Nash + Kobe + 32 mil in space

Or,

4) Nash + Kobe + Howard + 12 mil in space.

The most likely scenario is #4. That's why, if the Lakers sign Howard, it might be wiser for the Lakers to take on longer term money in any Gasol deal. That's how you maximize his trade value. Otherwise, they'll have 12 mil in space which--while it can get you a good player--won't be able to bring back the talent that maximizing a Gasol trade would yield.


Nash isn't going to last for that 3rd yr and if he does, he either gets bought out or stretched provision.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#196 » by Kenyon009 » Wed May 29, 2013 12:00 pm

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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#197 » by inquisitive » Wed May 29, 2013 1:39 pm

gonna be tough trading pau w/o taking back salary....also, nothing will happen until d12 makes his decision...
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#198 » by LApwnd » Wed May 29, 2013 2:30 pm

inquisitive wrote:gonna be tough trading pau w/o taking back salary....also, nothing will happen until d12 makes his decision...


I dont think mgmt. has a problem taking back salary if its a legit future piece with or without Howard around but when we get offers like Lee and Boozer, might as well just let him expire if thats the case rather then put ourselves in a cap bind and limit our options.
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#199 » by inquisitive » Wed May 29, 2013 3:46 pm

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inquisitive wrote:gonna be tough trading pau w/o taking back salary....also, nothing will happen until d12 makes his decision...


I dont think mgmt. has a problem taking back salary if its a legit future piece with or without Howard around but when we get offers like Lee and Boozer, might as well just let him expire if thats the case rather then put ourselves in a cap bind and limit our options.


that is the thing...you'll likely get offers like lee and boozer which you don't want...you would be better of letting pau expire and go after klove in 2 yrs
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Re: Offers for Gasol? 

Post#200 » by Leto » Wed May 29, 2013 5:05 pm

Lakers will either get expiring contracts that are not as good as Gasol, or thy will get guys like Boozer and Lee for Gasol.

What I want to know is who do they think is going to LAL next summer? I see them talking about next summer all the time, but who's available?

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