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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#181 » by Teffer10 » Thu May 23, 2013 10:50 pm

Peelboy wrote:Random Q:Given that the Mavs appear to be trying to clear cap room to make a run at CP3/DH, what kind of deal are you looking for?

Bull for example could offer something like a 2d rounder for VC+#13 (we have a traded player exception), which clears ab $4-5M for Dallas, but obviously you're giving something value there. Alternatively, could swap Dallas 2013 #1 for Bulls 2014 #1 in a similar deal, so you'd get a pick in a stronger draft (but likely a lower pick).

Not trolling, just curious what kind of value you think you'll be able to get back in exchange for the cap space.

Cuban has to know the chances are next to nothing to get CP3 and/or D12 so he won't just give players away for the cap space to chase that pipe dream. Bull's 2nd rounder for the pick and VC is not even close to flying.
After the big FAs are gone Cuban will probably use a strategy similar as last season and Marion and VC are perfect for that strategy. Marion and Carter are still good players with expiring contracts after next season and that will be when the Mavs can make some bold moves for star players.
So to answer your question, cap space is extremely valuable this offseason if there is reason to believe one or both (D12/CP3) would sign but with that being a very slim possibility Mavs will most likely keep Marion/Carter and take advantage of players being amnestied or sign vets to one year deals again.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#182 » by 2011Champs » Thu May 23, 2013 11:56 pm

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The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Jarrett Jack and Jerryd Bayless, according to a source.

Via Dwaine Price/Star-Telegram


Big fail
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#183 » by zaman314125 » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 am

2011Champs wrote:
EntropyPR wrote:
The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Jarrett Jack and Jerryd Bayless, according to a source.

Via Dwaine Price/Star-Telegram


Big fail

I mean Jarrett Jack is clutch, but he is 30 years old, and what you see is what your going to get. Your not gonna get a Steve Nash type of player who becomes an MVP as he gets into his 30s. I wouldn't mind Jack as our starting PG, but Bayless would be the 6th man, he can't run the team as a starting point guard. I'm telling you guys.... Schroeder!
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#184 » by zaman314125 » Fri May 24, 2013 12:31 am

2011Champs wrote:
EntropyPR wrote:
The Dallas Mavericks are expected to pursue Jarrett Jack and Jerryd Bayless, according to a source.

Via Dwaine Price/Star-Telegram


Big fail

I mean Jarrett Jack is clutch, but he is 30 years old, and what you see is what your going to get. Your not gonna get a Steve Nash type of player who becomes an MVP as he gets into his 30s. I wouldn't mind Jack as our starting PG, but Bayless would be the 6th man, he can't run the team as a starting point guard. I'm telling you guys.... Schroeder!
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#185 » by NBA Fiend » Fri May 24, 2013 2:39 am

How about this with the #13. Then sign Paul. I saw and article about Dirk, Chris and Mark at a recent poker tournament. Gortat would be back to his old self with Chris at the point.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6267446
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#186 » by catalyst » Fri May 24, 2013 12:24 pm

NBA Fiend wrote:How about this with the #13. Then sign Paul. I saw and article about Dirk, Chris and Mark at a recent poker tournament. Gortat would be back to his old self with Chris at the point.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6267446


So trade is this?

Marion and #13

for

Gortat and PJ Tucker

Does Trade checker work with that, AND leave room for Paul
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#187 » by DBoys » Fri May 24, 2013 1:12 pm

If I'm the Mavs, I want the Suns #2 picks in 2014 and 2015 coming back.
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Post#188 » by JES12 » Fri May 24, 2013 6:30 pm

I would do DBoys version

Marion and #13 for Gortat and 2014 2nd rounder.

My only concern though, is Gortat has peaked and will be about the same age as Dampier when we gave him that fat contract. I'm not sure Gortat's body can handle the NBA for many years if we plan to re-sign him. But he is expiring which keeps 2014 options going.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#189 » by catalyst » Sat May 25, 2013 2:01 pm

Gortat has been more consistent in PHX than Dampier was in GSW. Has always intrigued since mavs signed to offer sheet. Seems like a good defender, and can score some. He would be playing for contract. Cannot speak to his bulk. He is better than any other C on mavs roster.

Saw article yesterday saying that mavs have given up on Paul, and focusing on Howard and Jack or Bayless. Not quite as exciting, but I still contend that Paul will have sway over where the soft headed howard signs. Howard basically, not surprisingly, says that the latest name intrigues him. He has gnat like attention, and I believe that whoever signs him will bring him in and not let him out of their offices until he signs. I think that Paul may be with him, and whispering in his ear. For as mediocre as Jameer Nelson was/is, I think he babysat Howard, and made him feel good about himself. Kobe made him feel like crap. Carrot vs Stick. Carrot is how to go with this pinhead, and I think Paul is smart enough to know this. I am changing my view that Paul will control the summer, and Howard will follow.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#190 » by DBoys » Sat May 25, 2013 2:24 pm

My guess is Mavs will still go hard after Paul and Howard. Chase them both. Defining either as their sole focus would be silly.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#191 » by jasonic » Sat May 25, 2013 4:00 pm

I think Marion said that he doesn't want to trade to a team that 's not going to make the playoffs.
I like Gortat but i want a defensive and athletic center next to Dirk and because these kind of centers are very expensive is the reason that i don't want to trade our pick and select Dieng, unless Dwight decides to sign here of course.
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Post#192 » by EntropyPR » Wed May 29, 2013 7:03 pm

The Cleveland Cavaliers, Charlotte Bobcats and Dallas Mavericks are three teams that have interest in trading for DeMarcus Cousins if the new ownership of the Sacramento Kings decide to part ways with their most valued asset, according to sources.

The Bobcats are motivated to turnaround their long rebuilding situation and would surely be willing to build a package for Cousins around the No. 4 pick.

Cousins would be 'Plan C' for the Mavericks if they are unable to sign either Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Cousins is entering the final season of his contract before reaching restricted free agency.

Via Chad Ford/ESPN
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Post#193 » by Imon » Wed May 29, 2013 7:25 pm

I like Cousins - he can handle the ball well for a 6'11" guy and can shoot the mid-range and even drive to the basket. He's also a good rebounder.

What makes me chuckle a bit is fans of a certain franchise say "Oh, Cousin's attitude problems will change when he comes to X team because Sacramento is a joke."
Well ... is it that simple? I think DMC is who he is and even in a winning situation he's going to have his flare-ups but maybe not as frequently. He's still young and has a lot of potential and I think every team would be willing to take the good with the bad.

As a fan I'd be happy with DMC in Dallas and with the max DMC can make after his 2014 contract is over he's a decent bargain (about $14.5 million/year).
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#194 » by 2011Champs » Wed May 29, 2013 8:03 pm

Dwight Howard, Demarcus Cousins, Andrew Bynum all have attitude problems. I would be happy with any of the three centers here in Dallas. If Sac wants to dump Cousins for some sort of 13th pick package I'd be all over that.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#195 » by Imon » Wed May 29, 2013 8:40 pm

2011Champs wrote:Dwight Howard, Demarcus Cousins, Andrew Bynum all have attitude problems. I would be happy with any of the three centers here in Dallas. If Sac wants to dump Cousins for some sort of 13th pick package I'd be all over that.


Andrew Bynum has had knee problems though, like, ten years worth of knee problems. Do you really want to pick up a guy who over his past 8 seasons has played an average of 49 game a season? Think about that - FORTY NINE game a season. His knee problem is degenerative too ... it's arthritic - it doesn't get better. It's as simple as that.
Plus he's older than DMC - I'd take DMC ten times out of ten.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#196 » by 2011Champs » Wed May 29, 2013 9:01 pm

Imon wrote:
2011Champs wrote:Dwight Howard, Demarcus Cousins, Andrew Bynum all have attitude problems. I would be happy with any of the three centers here in Dallas. If Sac wants to dump Cousins for some sort of 13th pick package I'd be all over that.


Andrew Bynum has had knee problems though, like, ten years worth of knee problems. Do you really want to pick up a guy who over his past 8 seasons has played an average of 49 game a season? Think about that - FORTY NINE game a season. His knee problem is degenerative too ... it's arthritic - it doesn't get better. It's as simple as that.
Plus he's older than DMC - I'd take DMC ten times out of ten.


I agree with you. I would take DMC over Bynum and probably even DMC over cry baby Howard.
Bynum would be a plan c or d or e and not a candidate for a max salary.
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Post#197 » by JES12 » Wed May 29, 2013 11:54 pm

I'd take Cousins over Bynum too, but that is not a compliment to Cousins; that's just how much I think Bynum would be a waste of effort, money and resources.

As Imon said, just because he changes teams does not mean his attitude is better. I am okay with attitude from competitiveness (like Marion's and Kobe's). It is a totally different story when your attitude is your entire life like Cousins. He is immature and seems like he has a deep rooted hatred at something. If he was a 2 way player like the old Artest, I might deal with that. But he is selfish and has a low BBIQ on the court too. He reminds me a lot of Zbo in terms of ability, issues, skill, salary commands, etc. Just not something I want to go down. If that is the type of player we want, I rather have Al Jefferson which I see as Cousins minus the attitude.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#198 » by EntropyPR » Thu May 30, 2013 4:21 pm

Mark Cuban was unable to meet with Deron Williams on July 1st last year due to a contractual obligation to tape Shark Tank.

The Dallas Mavericks intend to pursue Dwight Howard and Chris Paul as their top priorities.

"I will be chasing free agents and not at Shark Tank on July 1st," said Cuban. "So I'll get that out of the way. I've been grinding. I keep that trophy ... to remind me every morning what the goal is. There's no other focus right now. I've got, I don't know 70 businesses, they all know right now it's all about basketball."

Via KRLD (via Dallas Morning News)


Well we know this year he means business, if it fails we can't blame him for going to film Shark Tank this time.
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#199 » by shrink » Thu May 30, 2013 7:07 pm

Once Howard and Chris Paul are off the table, would you offer cap space and #13 for two of Derrick Williams and either Ridnour or Barea?

I ask because I saw this on the Trade Board:

Texas Chuck wrote:Will still gladly take Williams in Dallas. He can have the 14-18 PF minutes behind Dirk and play another 10-12 mpg at SF. This was the plan for Marion when we acquired Butler. I dont think DWill can guard SFs as well as Marion but we could certainly use his offense when Dirk is off the floor and I think he would play well off of Dirk.

Would also be happy to take on Sessions' deal if it helped Charlotte. He has a nice team-friendly deal and we need at least 2 pgs.


I'd assume that if there is an equitable deal in the first part, you wouldn't mind a sign-and-trade with UFA Mayo, right? It's no net change in the deal for you guys - you still only pay the players you'd have taken back in trade?
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Re: Official 2013 Off-Season Thread. 

Post#200 » by JES12 » Thu May 30, 2013 9:08 pm

I have argued with Texas Chuck on about 3-4 occasions that we are not looking for Dirk's backup. At that position we have Shawn Marion, Benard James, could re-sign Elton Brand and Brandon Wright. At worst, Dirk's best friend Brian Cardinal is on speed dial for the vet min after we use our cap space.

Regarding sliding him to a SF, we have Marion, Carter and Crowder. As we approach free agency, PG and C are the 2 main positions we are trying to address with SG 3rd. The forwards is probably the last position we try to address if we address it at all.

Derrick Williams has a slim chance of being on our radar for cap space alone, much less adding the #13 to it. Adding Barea and Ridnour is even worse. Texas Chuck, in no way, is representing the Mavs front office or the majority of fans with his comments regarding Derrick Williams, Ed Davis or other dime a dozen power forwards.

The only person I see (outside of Love and Rubio) that I see Mavs interested in AFTER Dwight and Paul are off the table is Pek; and he would be an offer sheet, not a trade involving Barea, Ridnour and the #13.

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