Brandon Jennings

[Goldtop]

WT says Bucks may opt to resign Ellis instead of Jennings. Should we be interested in Jennings?

He's no more of a true PG than Knight, but he is a much bigger scoring threat at least. If you aren't going to have a true PG, your "scoring PG" at least needs to be a big scoring threat. Jennings at least provides that. If we can't get Burke in the draft, I think Jennings would be a pretty good consolation prize. After all, we DO need to find a PG somehow, and there aren't a lot of better options. Given our dire need to upgrade our backcourt, if we ended up spending our capspace on Jennings/Evans as our backcourt of the future to compliment Dre/Moose, I can't say I'd be disappointed when you consider the alternative options are slim. We could then still draft Shabazz and hhe and Evans could basically share the SG/SF spots interchangeably. Evans and Jennings could also share the PG duties. idk about you, but I'd be happy with a Jennings/Evans/Shabazz perimeter compared to what we currently have.

[Piston Pete]

No interest from me, personally.

If we were to trade Knight and not draft a PG in the lottery, I would also rather have Ellis as our next PG over Jennings.

Another guy I would rather have is Teague, from the Hawks.

And of course, CP3.

[Goldtop]

No interest from me, personally.

If we were to trade Knight and not draft a PG in the lottery, I would also rather have Ellis as our next PG over Jennings.

Another guy I would rather have is Teague, from the Hawks.

And of course, CP3.

Jennings is way more of a PG than Ellis (and also a lot less delusional lol)

I also don't think we need to trade Knight in order to sign a new PG. Just move him to the bench, where he fills a need there instead.

But yeah, obviously if we can get CP3 he's the #1 option. Jennings would be a good plan B to me though.

[Jodi]

I wouldn't mind signing Jennings if the price is right...I'm not trading Knight away at all though...Either he would have to put on some muscle to play the 2 or he needs to slide down as our 6th man...Knight plays too much like a Piston to trade him...

[Goldtop]

^Maxiell plays like a Piston too. That doesn't mean you keep him lol.

[Jodi]

^I would approve re-signing Maxiell to a 1yr/3mil deal as a bench-warmer...Knight is too young to let him go...The kid is younger than must of these college prospect that will enter the draft next month...Don't give up on him yet...

[rmfc]

^I would approve re-signing Maxiell to a 1yr/3mil deal

wow

[dVs33]

No to jennings for me.
Jennings is a chucker with a hefty ego where as knight is a hard working high character guy with plenty of untapped potential.
i'd rather sign a vet PG (calderon) to mentor Knight.

[Goldtop]

^If the Pistons truly believe Knight can still be a PG, they should hire Byron Scott as the next coach. His track record with PGs is undeniable - Kidd, Paul, and Irving.

The fact that they seem to have no interest in Scott at all, speaks to how little faith they have in Knight ever developing into a star PG, to me. Because if they thought he had star potential at that position, they would searching for a coach specifically to develop him. Instead they are searching for PGs to replace him in the draft, and a coach specifically to fit with Dre/Moose.

I don't think they've given up on him completely, but his development doesn't appear to be a major concern of theirs, which is why I think he could be traded at any moment for the right deal.

[rmfc]

^If the Pistons truly believe Knight can still be a PG, they should hire Byron Scott as the next coach. His track record with PGs is undeniable - Kidd, Paul, and Irving.

Agreed.


The fact that they seem to have no interest in Scott at all, speaks to how little faith they have in Knight ever developing into a star PG, to me.


That's not how the Pistons operate. When have they ever shown that they are fully focused on developing young talent? When was the last time they hired an elite big man coach or an elite PG coach to help the young players on this team?

[vege]

I'd pass on Jennings, He is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Knight, whoever is even comparing them is completely delusional and it's not even funny.

With that said, there is a reason why Milwaukee is not so excited about bringing Jennings back. They tried to extend him and he asked way too much money. He does have a huge ego and attitude issues, he is extremely inefficient and is a me first player.

In a league with so much talent at the PG position I would not throw a lot of money on Jennings, there are way better options out there who would fit our team better.

[DetroitSho]

^If the Pistons truly believe Knight can still be a PG, they should hire Byron Scott as the next coach. His track record with PGs is undeniable - Kidd, Paul, and Irving.

The fact that they seem to have no interest in Scott at all, speaks to how little faith they have in Knight ever developing into a star PG, to me. Because if they thought he had star potential at that position, they would searching for a coach specifically to develop him. Instead they are searching for PGs to replace him in the draft, and a coach specifically to fit with Dre/Moose.

I don't think they've given up on him completely, but his development doesn't appear to be a major concern of theirs, which is why I think he could be traded at any moment for the right deal.

WTF does Byron Scott have to do with either of those PGs other than having the privilege to coach them? Those were elite level PGs on their own, #2, 4, and 1 picks. You make the most ridiculous parallels sometimes. You hate the idea of Nate McMillan as coach, but for the sake of developing Brandon freaking Knight they should hire Byron Scott? You do realize its much more efficient to bring in a better option as head coach and then bring in a vet mentor and run a system that helps cater to some of his strengths right? Hell, you can try to bring in guys like Rod Strickland or Sam Cassell to help with player development.

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[Han Solo]

I'd pass on Jennings, He is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Knight, whoever is even comparing them is completely delusional and it's not even funny.

With that said, there is a reason why Milwaukee is not so excited about bringing Jennings back. They tried to extend him and he asked way too much money. He does have a huge ego and attitude issues, he is extremely inefficient and is a me first player.

In a league with so much talent at the PG position I would not throw a lot of money on Jennings, there are way better options out there who would fit our team better.

I agree with you. But I'm still liking Jennings potential for some reason..

[Goldtop]

^If the Pistons truly believe Knight can still be a PG, they should hire Byron Scott as the next coach. His track record with PGs is undeniable - Kidd, Paul, and Irving.

The fact that they seem to have no interest in Scott at all, speaks to how little faith they have in Knight ever developing into a star PG, to me. Because if they thought he had star potential at that position, they would searching for a coach specifically to develop him. Instead they are searching for PGs to replace him in the draft, and a coach specifically to fit with Dre/Moose.

I don't think they've given up on him completely, but his development doesn't appear to be a major concern of theirs, which is why I think he could be traded at any moment for the right deal.

WTF does Byron Scott have to do with either of those PGs other than having the privilege to coach them? Those were elite level PGs on their own, #2, 4, and 1 picks. You make the most ridiculous parallels sometimes. You hate the idea of Nate McMillan as coach, but for the sake of developing Brandon freaking Knight they should hire Byron Scott? You do realize its much more efficient to bring in a better option as head coach and then bring in a vet mentor and run a system that helps cater to some of his strengths right? Hell, you can try to bring in guys like Rod Strickland or Sam Cassell to help with player development.

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lol, you need to go back to school and learn how to read or something.

I never said I wanted to hire Byron Scott because of Knight. You are insane. Feel free to put me on ignore if my comments get you this upset. Maybe try some anger management classes while back at school learning how to read.

[vege]

Just to add a few facts to make things a little more clear here. Let's compare 3 PGs, Jennings, Knight and Maynor.

Why? Maynor is said around here as a pass first PG, Knight is compared to Jennings and Jennings is said to be a scorer PG, let's see how true those things are?

First interesting stat. AST% which is "Estimate of the oercentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor."

Jennings has a 28% career and 29% last year.
Knight has a 21% career and 21% last year.
Maynor has a 30% career and 30% last year.

Next TOV% which is " an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays"

Jennings has 12 career and 13 last year.
Knight has 17 career and 17 last year.
Maynor 18 career and 20 last year.

Before people come with the Myth that Knight is a great defender and Jennings is a liability on Defense.

Jennings defensive win share 2.2 defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) 108
Knight defensive win share 0.8 defensive rating 111

So those numbers so far show Jennings is a much more efficient pass first PG than Maynor numbers are also showing Knight is not a PG, he is way below average for a backup PG. I still can't understand how a lot of people around here still want Knight as our starter PG next season.

Jennings biggest problem is his shot selection and attitude, the guy is a sub 40% FG which is worse than Stuckey. Just remember that game we beat Milwaukee last season where Jennings had that laughable shot at the last play.

[Han Solo]

Just to add a few facts to make things a little more clear here. Let's compare 3 PGs, Jennings, Knight and Maynor.

Why? Maynor is said around here as a pass first PG, Knight is compared to Jennings and Jennings is said to be a scorer PG, let's see how true those things are?

First interesting stat. AST% which is "Estimate of the oercentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor."

Jennings has a 28% career and 29% last year.
Knight has a 21% career and 21% last year.
Maynor has a 30% career and 30% last year.

Next TOV% which is " an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays"

Jennings has 12 career and 13 last year.
Knight has 17 career and 17 last year.
Maynor 18 career and 20 last year.

Before people come with the Myth that Knight is a great defender and Jennings is a liability on Defense.

Jennings defensive win share 2.2 defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) 108
Knight defensive win share 0.8 defensive rating 111

So those numbers so far show Jennings is a much more efficient pass first PG than Maynor numbers are also showing Knight is not a PG, he is way below average for a backup PG. I still can't understand how a lot of people around here still want Knight as our starter PG next season.

Jennings biggest problem is his shot selection and attitude, the guy is a sub 40% FG which is worse than Stuckey. Just remember that game we beat Milwaukee last season where Jennings had that laughable shot at the last play.

Good info.

[Jodi]

^I would approve re-signing Maxiell to a 1yr/3mil deal

wow

1yr deal for veteran presence...

[Snakebites]

It's somewhat tempting given the flashes of briliance we've seen from him over the years, but I'd probably view the signing as too risky without high enough odds of major payoff. He's got a lot of talent but he just isn't fundamentally sound.

Its a venue that it wouldn't shock me if we were to explore, though. The reality is I feel like there are a lot of flawed options on the FA market and really no "perfect" fits. All players are either suspect as fits or likely to be overpaid.

And I'm really, really tired of seeing Maxiell play, and I'm terrified that if we sign him he'll somehow end up our starting powerforward again. A couple years of the worst starter in basketball has been enough.

[JD43320]

Jennings is a cancer. A moron. Actually an egotistical moron. Even worse he's an egotistical moron that sucks. 4 seasons in the league and he's only shot over 40% once. That sucks. The last time we took a player the Bucks thought was too crappy to bring back we ended up with DNP-CV. He sucks. His contract sucks. Brandon Jennings sucks. This idea sucks. Burn this idea. Burn it with fire. Fire from the fieriest pits of hell. Dump the ashes off this idea in a bowl of acid. Seal that bowl. Seal it tight. Dump the bowl in a tub of acid. Stronger acid. Seal the tub. Seal it tight. Put the tub in a tank of acid. The strongest acid. Seal it tight. Put that tank full of acid, tub of acid and bowl of acid filled with stupid in a rocket. The fastest rocket. Fire that rocket into the sun.

[Goldtop]

Jennings is a cancer. A moron. Actually an egotistical moron. Even worse he's an egotistical moron that sucks. 4 seasons in the league and he's only shot over 40% once. That sucks. The last time we took a player the Bucks thought was too crappy to bring back we ended up with DNP-CV. He sucks. His contract sucks. Brandon Jennings sucks. This idea sucks. Burn this idea. Burn it with fire. Fire from the fieriest pits of hell. Dump the ashes off this idea in a bowl of acid. Seal that bowl. Seal it tight. Dump the bowl in a tub of acid. Stronger acid. Seal the tub. Seal it tight. Put the tub in a tank of acid. The strongest acid. Seal it tight. Put that tank full of acid, tub of acid and bowl of acid filled with stupid in a rocket. The fastest rocket. Fire that rocket into the sun.

I'm getting the impression you don't like Jennings.