Did Granger Return Too Early?

[gordito]

Watching this MIA-IND series makes me wonder how things would have been if Granger was available, even in a lesser/sixth man type role.

I was wondering whether his early return is to blame. For instance, if he sat out until the second round, could he have been healthy enough to play? Or was his injury only a matter of time?

[23artest23]

Hard to say. I don't know that I'd say it was a matter of time. On the other hand, it somewhat appears he may have been rushed back in to show he was relatively healthy for the purpose of exploring trade possibilities. Hard for me to say either way but my guess would be that the truth is somewhere between the two.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think it may have been hopeful and wishful thinking that he'd come back and that he may have just had a setback. It happens sometime. But it would be nice to be able to go to him off the bench this series.

[MNPacersfan]

I think it was a situation where he was healthy enough to see how the knee would respond. The team didn't seem afraid to shut him down if need be, but before he had additional work done I think that the team and Granger both wanted to know how it would feel on the court. Obviously it did not feel good.

[LApwnd]

going of off this thread, as Pacer fans if you guys could unload Green/Granger for nothing....would that be enough cap space to offer Cp3 MAX deal? and if you could do that, would you guys take that chance?

[Jake0890]

going of off this thread, as Pacer fans if you guys could unload Green/Granger for nothing....would that be enough cap space to offer Cp3 MAX deal? and if you could do that, would you guys take that chance?

Well, we're already pretty shaky on our wing depth, so I dunno from that perspective.

What worries me more is that we'd be giving Granger and Green for nothing, only to get the CHANCE of getting CP3. It'd be different if there was some sort of verbal agreement, but that's not going to happen. If there was a definite way for him to end up with us, maybe. If it's only a chance to sign him, no.

[LApwnd]

going of off this thread, as Pacer fans if you guys could unload Green/Granger for nothing....would that be enough cap space to offer Cp3 MAX deal? and if you could do that, would you guys take that chance?

Well, we're already pretty shaky on our wing depth, so I dunno from that perspective.

What worries me more is that we'd be giving Granger and Green for nothing, only to get the CHANCE of getting CP3. It'd be different if there was some sort of verbal agreement, but that's not going to happen. If there was a definite way for him to end up with us, maybe. If it's only a chance to sign him, no.

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

[Jake0890]

going of off this thread, as Pacer fans if you guys could unload Green/Granger for nothing....would that be enough cap space to offer Cp3 MAX deal? and if you could do that, would you guys take that chance?

Well, we're already pretty shaky on our wing depth, so I dunno from that perspective.

What worries me more is that we'd be giving Granger and Green for nothing, only to get the CHANCE of getting CP3. It'd be different if there was some sort of verbal agreement, but that's not going to happen. If there was a definite way for him to end up with us, maybe. If it's only a chance to sign him, no.

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

Well, there's been no official word that we're trying to dump Green, but he certainly hasn't lived up to expectations.

[Scoot McGroot]

going of off this thread, as Pacer fans if you guys could unload Green/Granger for nothing....would that be enough cap space to offer Cp3 MAX deal? and if you could do that, would you guys take that chance?

Well, we're already pretty shaky on our wing depth, so I dunno from that perspective.

What worries me more is that we'd be giving Granger and Green for nothing, only to get the CHANCE of getting CP3. It'd be different if there was some sort of verbal agreement, but that's not going to happen. If there was a definite way for him to end up with us, maybe. If it's only a chance to sign him, no.

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

There's 0% chance Paul would come to Indy.

[LApwnd]

Well, we're already pretty shaky on our wing depth, so I dunno from that perspective.

What worries me more is that we'd be giving Granger and Green for nothing, only to get the CHANCE of getting CP3. It'd be different if there was some sort of verbal agreement, but that's not going to happen. If there was a definite way for him to end up with us, maybe. If it's only a chance to sign him, no.

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

There's 0% chance Paul would come to Indy.

whats the difference between Indy and Dall if both were an option?

[Jake0890]

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

There's 0% chance Paul would come to Indy.

whats the difference between Indy and Dall if both were an option?

Who's to say he doesn't stay in LA?

[Scoot McGroot]

well weren't you guys looking to dump Green anyways? I mean your team core as a sales pitch is ALOT better than Dall IMO and they seem to think they have a pretty good chance at Paul.

There's 0% chance Paul would come to Indy.

whats the difference between Indy and Dall if both were an option?

Dallas is a major metropolitan center of the south. Indy is a flyover city in the eyes of outsiders. And we don't have a mark Cuban.

Plus, who's to say either are options.

[LApwnd]

There's 0% chance Paul would come to Indy.

whats the difference between Indy and Dall if both were an option?

Dallas is a major metropolitan center of the south. Indy is a flyover city in the eyes of outsiders. And we don't have a mark Cuban.

Plus, who's to say either are options.

Dall is an option, what I wanted to know is IF you guys could be one as well if Granger/Green salary are removed w/o taking any salary back. My basic math shows without those two your team salary is around 30-32 mill, giving cp3 max @ 19mill/yr 1st yr would only push you to around 50 giving you enough space to offer West a reasonable/comparable contract to his current one and still not go over the Luxury tax. Maybe at this point in Paul career, winning and money is important regardless of location and maybe his familarity with West could be a tipping point towards Indy way

[Wizop]

Watching this MIA-IND series makes me wonder how things would have been if Granger was available, even in a lesser/sixth man type role.

I was wondering whether his early return is to blame. For instance, if he sat out until the second round, could he have been healthy enough to play? Or was his injury only a matter of time?

I'd say it was a late surgery rather than an early return although if it were my knee I'd have put off surgery until it were a last resort too. if he'd had surgery right after the injury in last year's Miami series, he'd be playing now. Paul and Lance grew a lot in his absence but we could sure use him now.

as for CP3 I doubt we'll make any big trade. Green's troubles have left us short a wing but Granger fills that slot next year. I think we need to upgrade the backup point guard but I think the draft will help us there. we do have a decision to make on PyschoT. CP3 would push Hill to 2 which overloads the wings unless Granger is moved to get CP. Bledsoe would be a good acquisition but I don't see why the Clips would want to move him unless it made CP3 happy. a healthy Billups would help us too if he thought he had a better chance for a ring with us than with the Clips.

think how confusing it would be if we had Chris PAUL, PAUL George, and GEORGE Hill. it'd drive Mark Boyle, Slick, and their listeners crazy. Paul has it on the arc. he passes to George who wheels into the lane and dishes to George who kicks it back out to Paul who finds Paul in the corner. Boom Baby.

[Scoot McGroot]

whats the difference between Indy and Dall if both were an option?

Dallas is a major metropolitan center of the south. Indy is a flyover city in the eyes of outsiders. And we don't have a mark Cuban.

Plus, who's to say either are options.

Dall is an option, what I wanted to know is IF you guys could be one as well if Granger/Green salary are removed w/o taking any salary back. My basic math shows without those two your team salary is around 30-32 mill, giving cp3 max @ 19mill/yr 1st yr would only push you to around 50 giving you enough space to offer West a reasonable/comparable contract to his current one and still not go over the Luxury tax. Maybe at this point in Paul career, winning and money is important regardless of location and maybe his familarity with West could be a tipping point towards Indy way

Who's taking on both Granger and Green with absolutely NO salary in return? However, we're not doing this on the 3% chance Paul would consider us. We just never consider free agency as the only free agent we've really signed here (above 3-4 million or so) has been David West.

Plus, it'd basically preclude us from re-signing West. A cap of Paul, Hill, George, West, Hibbert, Mahinmi, and Plumlee put us over $70m with a LOT of holes to fill.