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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#21 » by pillwenney » Thu May 30, 2013 8:13 pm

Right, and making him play consistently will be very difficult.

But making a less talented player as talented as Cousins is just about impossible. That's the difference to me.
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Post#22 » by ADoaN17 » Thu May 30, 2013 8:19 pm

Lots of ESPN talk is Cousins for Waiters , Zeller and #1. I think that's great value. Trade Waiters for possibly Otto Porter.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#23 » by ICMTM » Thu May 30, 2013 8:36 pm

ADoaN17 wrote:Lots of ESPN talk is Cousins for Waiters , Zeller and #1. I think that's great value. Trade Waiters for possibly Otto Porter.


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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#24 » by ICMTM » Thu May 30, 2013 8:39 pm

pillwenney wrote:Right, and making him play consistently will be very difficult.

But making a less talented player as talented as Cousins is just about impossible. That's the difference to me.


Explanation numerically:

DMC to play at his ability 50% of the time < a player 80% of his talent playing at their ability 100% of the time. I don't think that DMC's potential and actual ability will be reached until he is on his 3rd deal.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#25 » by bibby1023 » Thu May 30, 2013 9:01 pm

ADoaN17 wrote:Lots of ESPN talk is Cousins for Waiters , Zeller and #1. I think that's great value. Trade Waiters for possibly Otto Porter.

I'd be so stoked if that was the haul we got in return for Cousins.....pretty sure that's just a hypothetical though on ESPN, since we have yet to hire a GM, so any rumors aren't true.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#26 » by ICMTM » Thu May 30, 2013 9:17 pm

bibby1023 wrote:
ADoaN17 wrote:Lots of ESPN talk is Cousins for Waiters , Zeller and #1. I think that's great value. Trade Waiters for possibly Otto Porter.

I'd be so stoked if that was the haul we got in return for Cousins.....pretty sure that's just a hypothetical though on ESPN, since we have yet to hire a GM, so any rumors aren't true.


There is some talk that there has been someone acting in that capacity with the potential hiring of a new GM:

Sam Amick of USA Today wrote:According to two people with knowledge of the talks, the owner who formally took control of the team on Tuesday has already interviewed Golden State Warriors assistant general manager Travis Schlenk and Memphis general manager Chris Wallace for the Kings' general manager position. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the search.

As was reported by USA TODAY Sports on Monday, Ranadive has informed Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie that he intends on bringing in his own front-office people. Petrie's contract expires at the end of June, and he has agreed to assist during the transition that will lead to his exit. But while the general manager search is ongoing, it appears the coaching search may have already concluded so long as Ranadive gets his way.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... h/2368429/

And some nice tweets:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/339905479398539265[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/339904361582981120[/tweet]

With that being said I don't know if Cousins will fit by default. Why make all these moves when a known problem has not shown the ability to change? It's a perspective a coworker of mine stated and that's when I started to flip flop.

#1, Waiters for Cousins is a coup!
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#27 » by KF10 » Thu May 30, 2013 9:59 pm

I don't see anything special in Waiters. He scored an inefficient 15 PPG this year. He's a guy that needs the ball in his hands to be effective...hmm gee we need one of those! /sarcasm

Even as is, the #1 pick is iffy. Noel is barely 200 pounds and coming off a major injury and we trade for him in exchange for Cousins at the advent of a new ownership?
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#28 » by dozencousins » Thu May 30, 2013 10:05 pm

ICMTM wrote:
bibby1023 wrote:
ADoaN17 wrote:Lots of ESPN talk is Cousins for Waiters , Zeller and #1. I think that's great value. Trade Waiters for possibly Otto Porter.

I'd be so stoked if that was the haul we got in return for Cousins.....pretty sure that's just a hypothetical though on ESPN, since we have yet to hire a GM, so any rumors aren't true.


There is some talk that there has been someone acting in that capacity with the potential hiring of a new GM:

Sam Amick of USA Today wrote:According to two people with knowledge of the talks, the owner who formally took control of the team on Tuesday has already interviewed Golden State Warriors assistant general manager Travis Schlenk and Memphis general manager Chris Wallace for the Kings' general manager position. The people spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the search.

As was reported by USA TODAY Sports on Monday, Ranadive has informed Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie that he intends on bringing in his own front-office people. Petrie's contract expires at the end of June, and he has agreed to assist during the transition that will lead to his exit. But while the general manager search is ongoing, it appears the coaching search may have already concluded so long as Ranadive gets his way.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... h/2368429/

And some nice tweets:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/339905479398539265[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones/status/339904361582981120[/tweet]

With that being said I don't know if Cousins will fit by default. Why make all these moves when a known problem has not shown the ability to change? It's a perspective a coworker of mine stated and that's when I started to flip flop.

#1, Waiters for Cousins is a coup!



I cant stand even trading Cousins the guy is a stud & will be very soon one of the 10 best players in the league .
He does need to mature . So with this post I will add the slight difference that I would require to do the trade .

#1, Waiters for Cousins is a coup![/quote] Via ICMTM's post I would do exactly this deal but would require the future 1st round pick we owe Clevland to be given back to us . So that future pick is Null & Void & we own it back .
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#29 » by ADoaN17 » Thu May 30, 2013 10:07 pm

I'm not a big fan of Waiters either but he had some good trade value. Maybe if McLemore is gone at 4, the Bobcats might be interested.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#30 » by ADoaN17 » Thu May 30, 2013 10:08 pm

The ESPN stuff was hypothetical but it came up from a few different writers.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#31 » by ICMTM » Thu May 30, 2013 10:25 pm

dozencousins wrote:I cant stand even trading Cousins the guy is a stud & will be very soon one of the 10 best players in the league .
He does need to mature . So with this post I will add the slight difference that I would require to do the trade .

Via ICMTM's post I would do exactly this deal but would require the future 1st round pick we owe Clevland to be given back to us . So that future pick is Null & Void & we own it back .


He's a stud some of the time! Westphal was a my way or sit type coach and it didn't go well. My question is do you think DMC is going to all of a sudden be a good team mate and good player? Do you think he's going to decrease the technical fouls? The bad non effort defense? His pouting and the world is against me attitude?

I don't see anything anywhere that points to him changing.
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Re: Would Kings agree to this deal for Cousins? 

Post#32 » by ADoaN17 » Fri May 31, 2013 3:30 am

@mr_jasonjones: And for those asking, new ownership has no intention of trading DeMarcus Cousins, so I'm told. Cuz supposed to meet w/ Ranadive soon.
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