Bargnani?

[GONYK]

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick?

wow

just wow


Ive seen this board grossly overvalue players on other teams and sickeningly scapegoat our guys but this is epic

tyson is the defensive heart of this team
this team is finally a defensive lock down squad - often they wait until the 4th sadly - for the first time in decades
tyson had multiple 20 rebound games and was an allstar

and here is Bargs who gets bood everytime hes on the floor, who can hardly stay as healthy as stat and who is owned 10 and 11 mil this nad next year

Bargs who plays almost zero defense and just likes to shoot 3s


and somehow you think a pick in a bad draft makes that a good trade???

Sometimes I wish I could revoke the fandom of people with a lower basketball IQ than a cheeseburger

2 things:

1.) GID is not a Knicks fan
2.) You can certainly ban him

[StephNYKurry]

Are you seriously saying two complete non-factors are better than a guy who can create his own shot?

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

I think Rudy Gay's role here would be vastly different than what it's been elsewhere.

[CKamm1]

Use Rudy Gay as a souped up Wilson Chandler. All the jumpshots Rudy Gay takes that he CAN'T make, would then go to Melo. We'd also be a far better defensive team than we currently are.

There are three levels of defense

Primary Ball Handler
Primary Wing Scorer
Defending the rim

Shump can do both, but which ever one he ISN'T guarding suffers. JR is an average defender against wings when Shump is on the ball and Felton is putrid on the ball when Shump is guarding the wing.

Felton
Shump
Gay
Melo
Chandler

Bargs off the bench with JR. I could get with that.

So you're counting on Gay completely changing his game and that our defense would improve with him? Have you ever seen the guy play?

[Rasho Brezec]

Are you seriously saying two complete non-factors are better than a guy who can create his own shot?

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

[CKamm1]

Are you seriously saying two complete non-factors are better than a guy who can create his own shot?

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

I think Rudy Gay's role here would be vastly different than what it's been elsewhere.

I mean I hightly doubt the Raptors are already going to ship him off particularly for an Amare/Novak package een if they shed Bargnani too. And if that's all we are giving up I guess it isn't much of a risk. However, I think you're severely underestimating what it would take to change his game at this point.

[expired_meme]

Does NYC say 'No' to a deal as follows.

To Toronto
Carmelo
Amare

To NYC
Bargs
Kleiza
Rudy Gay
Terrence Ross
Fields
Aaron Gray
1st round pick - unprotected

It's almost a net zero deal salary wise. We pick up a proven scorer, NYC gets rid of Amare's toxic deal... hell I'd even buy out Amare and chase someone else from TO's perspective.

Now the question is does NYC do the deal because trading away Melo, almost guarantees the lottery for them next year but it'll get them off the treadmill because they're going nowhere with Amare's deal on their books.

Shumpert
Ross
Gay
Bargs
Tyson

I don't know what type of team that ends up being...

[Thugger HBC]

Are you seriously saying two complete non-factors are better than a guy who can create his own shot?

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

Melo takes and makes bad shots.

Rudy takes bad shots.

Adding Rudy doesn't limit their shots, it creates more misses.

[GONYK]

Does NYC say 'No' to a deal as follows.

To Toronto
Carmelo
Amare

To NYC
Bargs
Kleiza
Rudy Gay
Terrence Ross
Fields
Aaron Gray
1st round pick - unprotected

It's almost a net zero deal salary wise. We pick up a proven scorer, NYC gets rid of Amare's toxic deal... hell I'd even buy out Amare and chase someone else from TO's perspective.

Now the question is does NYC do the deal because trading away Melo, almost guarantees the lottery for them next year but it'll get them off the treadmill because they're going nowhere with Amare's deal on their books.

Shumpert
Ross
Gay
Bargs
Tyson

I don't know what type of team that ends up being...

[DowNY]

Trading them Amare, Novak &/or Camby for Gay & Bargs would help the tank season as well.

[StephNYKurry]

I mean I hightly doubt the Raptors are already going to ship him off particularly for an Amare/Novak package een if they shed Bargnani too. And if that's all we are giving up I guess it isn't much of a risk. However, I think you're severely underestimating what it would take to change his game at this point.

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

[Tron Carter]

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick?

wow

just wow


Ive seen this board grossly overvalue players on other teams and sickeningly scapegoat our guys but this is epic

tyson is the defensive heart of this team
this team is finally a defensive lock down squad - often they wait until the 4th sadly - for the first time in decades
tyson had multiple 20 rebound games and was an allstar

and here is Bargs who gets bood everytime hes on the floor, who can hardly stay as healthy as stat and who is owned 10 and 11 mil this nad next year

Bargs who plays almost zero defense and just likes to shoot 3s


and somehow you think a pick in a bad draft makes that a good trade???

Sometimes I wish I could revoke the fandom of people with a lower basketball IQ than a cheeseburger

2 things:

1.) GID is not a Knicks fan
2.) You can certainly ban him

[CKamm1]

Are you seriously saying two complete non-factors are better than a guy who can create his own shot?

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

Melo set a career high in PER (4th overall in the league), hit 38% from 3 at a high volume, and gets to the line 7.5 times a game. Gay was 18th in PER just among SFs, hit 32% from 3 (34 for career), and geets tot he line half as much. They are in no way whatsoever comparable. We do want most Melo shots, the numbers both individually and as a team (3rd in league in efficiency) show that. We don't want Rudy Gay shots.

[Thugger HBC]

Does NYC say 'No' to a deal as follows.

To Toronto
Carmelo
Amare

To NYC
Bargs
Kleiza
Rudy Gay
Terrence Ross
Fields
Aaron Gray
1st round pick - unprotected

It's almost a net zero deal salary wise. We pick up a proven scorer, NYC gets rid of Amare's toxic deal... hell I'd even buy out Amare and chase someone else from TO's perspective.

Now the question is does NYC do the deal because trading away Melo, almost guarantees the lottery for them next year but it'll get them off the treadmill because they're going nowhere with Amare's deal on their books.

Shumpert
Ross
Gay
Bargs
Tyson

I don't know what type of team that ends up being...

You better be glad my hammer doesn't work as well on the app.

[GONYK]

I mean I hightly doubt the Raptors are already going to ship him off particularly for an Amare/Novak package een if they shed Bargnani too. And if that's all we are giving up I guess it isn't much of a risk. However, I think you're severely underestimating what it would take to change his game at this point.

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

Gay would only fit if he checks his ego

[Rasho Brezec]

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

Melo takes and makes bad shots.

Rudy takes bad shots.

Adding Rudy doesn't limit their shots, it creates more misses.

Like StephNYKurry said, having both of them changes their role.

[CKamm1]

I mean I hightly doubt the Raptors are already going to ship him off particularly for an Amare/Novak package een if they shed Bargnani too. And if that's all we are giving up I guess it isn't much of a risk. However, I think you're severely underestimating what it would take to change his game at this point.

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

You'd need to get Gay to suddenly go to the basket a hell of a lot more than he ever has i his career. And the steal and block numbers do not equal a good defender. He's absolutely not. He has the tools yes, but that's the story of his entire career.

[Thugger HBC]

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

Melo takes and makes bad shots.

Rudy takes bad shots.

Adding Rudy doesn't limit their shots, it creates more misses.

Like StephNYKurry said, having both of them changes their role.

Melo isn't gonna shoot less or change his style.

Rudy is a low budget Melo.

[StephNYKurry]

I mean I hightly doubt the Raptors are already going to ship him off particularly for an Amare/Novak package een if they shed Bargnani too. And if that's all we are giving up I guess it isn't much of a risk. However, I think you're severely underestimating what it would take to change his game at this point.

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

Gay would only fit if he checks his ego

Melo and STAT only works if one checks their ego
Melo and Gordon only works if Gordon checks his ego
Melo and Cousins only works if Cousins checks his ego

We could go on and on.

You assemble the talent and work on chemistry later.

[Rasho Brezec]

But we don't want the shots that Rudy Gay creates.

I'd rather bet that we can get the Amare we had briefly this past year for an extended period of time. That guy can help.

We don't want the shots that Melo creates either, but having both of them would reduce their need/desire to create them.

Amare is done. The sooner people let go of the fairytale that he'll be a productive player, the better.

Melo set a career high in PER (4th overall in the league), hit 38% from 3 at a high volume, and gets to the line 7.5 times a game. Gay was 18th in PER just among SFs, hit 32% from 3 (34 for career), and geets tot he line half as much. They are in no way whatsoever comparable. We do want most Melo shots, the numbers both individually and as a team (3rd in league in efficiency) show that. We don't want Rudy Gay shots.

PER is completely useless, efficiency numbers are what counts. Melo's eFG% and %TS are below average to average, Gay is horribly inefficient. If you play them together, they don't need to force it anymore.

[DE FENSE]

Does NYC say 'No' to a deal as follows.

To Toronto
Carmelo
Amare

To NYC
Bargs
Kleiza
Rudy Gay
Terrence Ross
Fields
Aaron Gray
1st round pick - unprotected

It's almost a net zero deal salary wise. We pick up a proven scorer, NYC gets rid of Amare's toxic deal... hell I'd even buy out Amare and chase someone else from TO's perspective.

Now the question is does NYC do the deal because trading away Melo, almost guarantees the lottery for them next year but it'll get them off the treadmill because they're going nowhere with Amare's deal on their books.

Shumpert
Ross
Gay
Bargs
Tyson

I don't know what type of team that ends up being...