Bargnani?

[Thugger HBC]

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

Gay would only fit if he checks his ego

Melo and STAT only works if one checks their ego
Melo and Gordon only works if Gordon checks his ego
Melo and Cousins only works if Cousins checks his ego

We could go on and on.

You assemble the talent and work on chemistry later.

I had an Isaiah flashback with that last sentence.

No I do not want to see Marbury Francis 2k13.

[StephNYKurry]

Some of y'all got to understand, the same reason that Melo jacks up shots incessantly is the same reason Rudy Gay has been doing it for his entire career.

What other perimeter scoring has Gay ever played with?

Tony Allen?
Demar Derozan?
Kyle Lowry?

Great players play different with other great players. That theory is tried and true. It's been happening forever. From Pearl and Clyde to Shaq and Kobe, down through Wade and Lebron. Somebody has to alter their game and most of the time, somebody does and it forms a winning combination.

It'll never happen so there's no point in even discussing this.

[GONYK]

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

Gay would only fit if he checks his ego

Melo and STAT only works if one checks their ego
Melo and Gordon only works if Gordon checks his ego
Melo and Cousins only works if Cousins checks his ego

We could go on and on.

You assemble the talent and work on chemistry later.

[Fury]

I'd trade for Bargnani. Offer them Amar'e. If not Amar'e, offer them our pile of **** vet contracts (Camby, Kidd, and um)

[JBreezeNY]

Gay & Melo on the same team?

Is Isiah lurking these boards too?

[Context]

To the op:

[JBreezeNY]

They aren't gonna move him, but I would say yes if they did.

He's got a 7'3 wingspan

Averages almost 2 steals and a block/game for his career

Elite slasher and finisher at the rim is something we don't currently have on the roster and Melo would create room for Gay that he's never seen before.

Gay isn't efficient in the mid-range, while that's Melo's forte

Melo isn't an elite finisher anymore, while Gay is at the top of the league in that category.

You add in the defensive capabilities and it's almost a perfect fit.

Gay would only fit if he checks his ego

Melo and STAT only works if one checks their ego
Melo and Gordon only works if Gordon checks his ego
Melo and Cousins only works if Cousins checks his ego

We could go on and on.

You assemble the talent and work on chemistry later.

Isiah?

Is that you?

[Zackmorris]

Does NYC say 'No' to a deal as follows.

To Toronto
Carmelo
Amare

To NYC
Bargs
Kleiza
Rudy Gay
Terrence Ross
Fields
Aaron Gray
1st round pick - unprotected

It's almost a net zero deal salary wise. We pick up a proven scorer, NYC gets rid of Amare's toxic deal... hell I'd even buy out Amare and chase someone else from TO's perspective.

Now the question is does NYC do the deal because trading away Melo, almost guarantees the lottery for them next year but it'll get them off the treadmill because they're going nowhere with Amare's deal on their books.

Shumpert
Ross
Gay
Bargs
Tyson

I don't know what type of team that ends up being...

You deserve to be punched.

[CKamm1]

PER is completely useless, efficiency numbers are what counts. Melo's eFG% and %TS are below average to average, Gay is horribly inefficient. If you play them together, they don't need to force it anymore.

Exclude the superhumans LeBron and Durant and Melo's TS% compares favorably to just about any other top scorer. Gay's is absolutely abysmal. Melo's efficiency could improve with the right scorer next to him, but Gay is still a jump shooter who doesn't shoot that well regardless of who he is with. He'd have to really change his game.

[StephNYKurry]

Isiah?

Is that you?

I should have specified.

Work on the chemistry between two great players.

This does not mean that the ENTIRE roster can lack chemistry or good work habits.

[DowNY]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mqvauho
With the #10 heading our way as well.

Something quick.

[Pharmcat]

TS is a joke of a stat

anything that takes into account FT cant be taken seriously

we all know refs favor certain players over others and floppers get calls too that non floppers dont

[knicks94]

Third biggest number 1 draft bust in the last twelve years behind Kwame Brown and Greg Oden.

Sam Bowie?

Yeah, if you want include the drafts prior to 2001.

[CKamm1]

Isiah?

Is that you?

I should have specified.

Work on the chemistry between two great players.

This does not mean that the ENTIRE roster can lack chemistry or good work habits.

Except that Gay is not nearly a good enough player that a Melo would (or should) adjust his game to accommodate him.

[Thugger HBC]

Some of y'all got to understand, the same reason that Melo jacks up shots incessantly is the same reason Rudy Gay has been doing it for his entire career.

What other perimeter scoring has Gay ever played with?

Tony Allen?
Demar Derozan?
Kyle Lowry?

Great players play different with other great players. That theory is tried and true. It's been happening forever. From Pearl and Clyde to Shaq and Kobe, down through Wade and Lebron. Somebody has to alter their game and most of the time, somebody does and it forms a winning combination.

It'll never happen so there's no point in even discussing this.

I get your point, but that isn't why they shoot a lot.

They believe each shot is the best shot and its going in.

Neither rudy or melo will stand there and watch the other miss.

Clyde and pearl didn't change their games, they combined their skills and became interchangeable.

Shaq and Kobe didn't change anything which is why they couldn't coexist.

Melo needs a guy he can respect to make a basket.

Rudy is at best a sixth man.

[StephNYKurry]

Isiah?

Is that you?

I should have specified.

Work on the chemistry between two great players.

This does not mean that the ENTIRE roster can lack chemistry or good work habits.

Except that Gay is not nearly a good enough player that a Melo would (or should) adjust his game to accommodate him.

I don't know why Gay wouldn't adjust his game. Has he ever played with a player like Melo before?

It's conjecture either way and I'm leaning towards a guy understanding that he's playing with one of the best players in the league.

[CKamm1]

TS is a joke of a stat

anything that takes into account FT cant be taken seriously

we all know refs favor certain players over others and floppers get calls too that non floppers dont

Ok but they still count nutcase. You might not like it but if a player is the type who gets favored or who can proficiently flop to get to the line then that has a value that needs to be accounted for.

[StephNYKurry]

Some of y'all got to understand, the same reason that Melo jacks up shots incessantly is the same reason Rudy Gay has been doing it for his entire career.

What other perimeter scoring has Gay ever played with?

Tony Allen?
Demar Derozan?
Kyle Lowry?

Great players play different with other great players. That theory is tried and true. It's been happening forever. From Pearl and Clyde to Shaq and Kobe, down through Wade and Lebron. Somebody has to alter their game and most of the time, somebody does and it forms a winning combination.

It'll never happen so there's no point in even discussing this.

I get your point, but that isn't why they shoot a lot.

They believe each shot is the best shot and its going in.

Neither rudy or melo will stand there and watch the other miss.

Clyde and pearl didn't change their games, they combined their skills and became interchangeable.

Shaq and Kobe didn't change anything which is why they couldn't coexist.

Melo needs a guy he can respect to make a basket.

Rudy is at best a sixth man.

There's so much lunacy in here I don't know where to start

[CKamm1]

I don't know why Gay wouldn't adjust his game. Has he ever played with a player like Melo before?

It's conjecture either way and I'm leaning towards a guy understanding that he's playing with one of the best players in the league.

Why hasn't he already adjusted his game regardless of who he is playing with? A guy with his physical capabilities continues to settle for outside jumpers he can't make consistently enough and doesn't get to the line nearly enough. He's been in the league for 7 years now and it's the same story.

[StephNYKurry]

Like, there are people in this thread that want to trade Tyson Chandler for Eric Gordon, but wouldn't trade Amare and Novak for Rudy Gay and Bargs?

This makes absolutely zero sense to me.