Bargnani?

[Thugger HBC]

BowlRips, one question....

How do you sell melo on a guy who spent as much time in a suit as his "friend"?

When Melo gets on the court next year vs Indy and the paints wide open cause Bargs is drawing Hibbert out and then he gets back on defense and he doesnt gotta take D-west in the post, I think Bargs will instantly become his new best friend

Hibbert isn't gonna be on bargs..... west will be.

PG guards melo..... Hibbert and Tyson are matched up.

the only way to get Hibbert out the paint is a center that can hit long jumpers....like Bosh was doing.

[johnnywishbone]

66 and 76

One is the number of games that Stoudemire has played the past 2 seasons, the other is the number of games Bargnani has played the past 2 seasons. Guess which one is which?

430 and 450

One is the number of games played by Stoudemire since the 2006-2007 season, the other is the number of games played by Barnani since he came into the league in 2006-2007. Guess which one is which?

14.2ppg/5.0rpg/.575FG and 12.7ppg/3.7rpg/.399FG

One is the stats for Stoudemire this season, the other is the stats for Bargnani this season. Guess which one is which?

0 and 1

One is the number of 1st round picks the Knicks has this year, the other is the number of 1st round picks the Raptors have this year. Guess which is which?

Vagigi and Scrotum

One is what Stoudemire has. The other is what Bargnani has. Guess which one has which?

I can keep going on and on. The only thing that Bargnani has that is better than Stoudemire is that he's owed less money for the next two seasons (the Knicks will be well over the cap whether they have Stoudemire or Bargnani).

This is a graphical explanation for grass..



...something similar would apply to players on your team compared to players on the other team.

/thread

Pharmcat so disappoint. So so dissapoint.

[BowlRips]

yes but Novak is an absolute zero on defense. He has no chance to take the PF on defense.
Bargnani can.
Im not saying hes a good defender by any stretch but he has the capability to take PFs in this league because of his size (true 7 footer)
The dude is from Rome, Italy. Thats a pretty good place to live. Nothing against Toronto but if im from rome and i had to go play ball in Canada on a sh*tty team i wouldnt be too happy.
Bring him to NY, reinspire his play.
He has all the talent in the world.
Grunny make a move

Bargnani couldn't excel in pressure free basketball, the kid couldn't handle being booed, and can't stay healthy.

But the hope is he reaches his potential in the mecca where are bets are off and expectations are raised?

i dont know his mental character but thats alot to ask from a bust.

expectations will be raised from the team but not from him personally. let him get his 12-15 points a game. were not expecting him to be the leader of the franchise. We want him to play a role on this team. We need a PF that can spread the floor next to melo and Bargs is super talented annd is available on the cheap.

[Thugger HBC]

yes but Novak is an absolute zero on defense. He has no chance to take the PF on defense.
Bargnani can.
Im not saying hes a good defender by any stretch but he has the capability to take PFs in this league because of his size (true 7 footer)
The dude is from Rome, Italy. Thats a pretty good place to live. Nothing against Toronto but if im from rome and i had to go play ball in Canada on a sh*tty team i wouldnt be too happy.
Bring him to NY, reinspire his play.
He has all the talent in the world.
Grunny make a move

Bargnani couldn't excel in pressure free basketball, the kid couldn't handle being booed, and can't stay healthy.

But the hope is he reaches his potential in the mecca where are bets are off and expectations are raised?

i dont know his mental character but thats alot to ask from a bust.

expectations will be raised from the team but not from him personally. let him get his 12-15 points a game. were not expecting him to be the leader of the franchise. We want him to play a role on this team. We need a PF that can spread the floor next to melo and Bargs is super talented annd is available on the cheap.

"try to trade" doesn't equal cheap....ujiri isn't gonna get fleeced in his first deal.

Every player whom comes to NY as a starter gets that heat, especially a former #1 pick that everyone views as a bust.

The pressure on him would be monumental.

[shmeakone]

I'd only do it if it were Camby & Novak for Bargs. I wouldn't even give up Amare for him.

[N8isScofield]

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick?

wow

just wow


Ive seen this board grossly overvalue players on other teams and sickeningly scapegoat our guys but this is epic

tyson is the defensive heart of this team
this team is finally a defensive lock down squad - often they wait until the 4th sadly - for the first time in decades
tyson had multiple 20 rebound games and was an allstar

and here is Bargs who gets bood everytime hes on the floor, who can hardly stay as healthy as stat and who is owned 10 and 11 mil this nad next year

Bargs who plays almost zero defense and just likes to shoot 3s


and somehow you think a pick in a bad draft makes that a good trade???

Sometimes I wish I could revoke the fandom of people with a lower basketball IQ than a cheeseburger

Actually Shump is.

[BowlRips]

it is clear the knicks need a stretch 4 in order to compete with the big teams but still have the spacing on offense.
Find me a stretch 4 thats good enough to be a starter in this league that can be had for expiring contracts and a late first rounder.

I'd target Illyasova, Wilson Chandler or Bargs and out of those 3 guys the most talented is Bargs and the most available one is Bargs soooo its a no brainer

[BowlRips]

Bargnani couldn't excel in pressure free basketball, the kid couldn't handle being booed, and can't stay healthy.

But the hope is he reaches his potential in the mecca where are bets are off and expectations are raised?

i dont know his mental character but thats alot to ask from a bust.

expectations will be raised from the team but not from him personally. let him get his 12-15 points a game. were not expecting him to be the leader of the franchise. We want him to play a role on this team. We need a PF that can spread the floor next to melo and Bargs is super talented annd is available on the cheap.

"try to trade" doesn't equal cheap....ujiri isn't gonna get fleeced in his first deal.

Every player whom comes to NY as a starter gets that heat, especially a former #1 pick that everyone views as a bust.


The pressure on him would be monumental.

you already said that ive satisfied the needs of the raptors with cambys expiring, novaks shooting and a late first rounder. do you think another team will offer more? i dont think anyone in the league would consider trading a starting caliber player for him

[Rasho Brezec]

Bargnani for Novak, Camby and a first

a)i dont know why you keep mentioning amare and tyson.
b) theyre will be no market for bargs
c) toronto looking to rebuild not add salary
d) cambys deal unguaranteed, basically expiring contract
e) they need shooting, novak at 4 mil works
f) they acquire the 24th pick. more assets in rebuild

a) Amare sucks and so does his contract
b) There will be market for a team looking to fleece Raptors and unload a bad contract, like Novak and Amare
c) Next year's draft is supposed to be deep so they need to tank, what better way to tank than adding Novak and Amare
d) Camby's deal is fully guaranteed next season
e) Novak is the price to pay for unloading Bargnani
f) We're not giving up a pick to acquire a terrible player

[KobeDwightPau]

this would be a steal for the knicks.

[BowlRips]

Bargnani for Novak, Camby and a first

a)i dont know why you keep mentioning amare and tyson.
b) theyre will be no market for bargs
c) toronto looking to rebuild not add salary
d) cambys deal unguaranteed, basically expiring contract
e) they need shooting, novak at 4 mil works
f) they acquire the 24th pick. more assets in rebuild

a) Amare sucks and so does his contract
b) There will be market for a team looking to fleece Raptors and unload a bad contract, like Novak and Amare
c) Next year's draft is supposed to be deep so they need to tank, what better way to tank than adding Novak and Amare
d) Camby's deal is fully guaranteed next season
e) Novak is the price to pay for unloading Bargnani
f) We're not giving up a pick to acquire a terrible player

so the whole market is gonna offer terrible contracts and you expect to land him?
not realistic
no thats not the best way to tank. the best way to tank would be to get expiring contracts that wont play (camby)
yes it is fully guaranteed. it will still be an expiring deal at seasons end
yes novak and camby
Terrible player? sorry dude i know hes been injuried and hes struggled but you cant score 20 in this league on 45% shooting if your a terrible player.
Especially when this player fills a role on this Knicks team that we are so desperate to fill.
Get your head out of your ass
Every draft pick is gonna be a risk, especially at 24. Its safe to say you wont get anyone close to as talented as bargnani with the 24th pick.

[Thugger HBC]

expectations will be raised from the team but not from him personally. let him get his 12-15 points a game. were not expecting him to be the leader of the franchise. We want him to play a role on this team. We need a PF that can spread the floor next to melo and Bargs is super talented annd is available on the cheap.

"try to trade" doesn't equal cheap....ujiri isn't gonna get fleeced in his first deal.

Every player whom comes to NY as a starter gets that heat, especially a former #1 pick that everyone views as a bust.


The pressure on him would be monumental.

you already said that ive satisfied the needs of the raptors with cambys expiring, novaks shooting and a late first rounder. do you think another team will offer more? i dont think anyone in the league would consider trading a starting caliber player for him

I think they might coinsider it, doubt they do it.

I dont think anyone would offer a starter for him but I also dont think he could be a productive starter either.

The "hopes" are just not there, he's been in the league too long now, and he certainly is not gonna restore all that hope in front of the Garden crowd on a hoepful contender.

He wont even do what you're hoping for.

Why would Indy put their defnsive center on a guy with no conscinece about shooting and isn't efficient at such?

barganani is no threat to anything but costing teams wins.

[KobeDwightPau]

I'd only do it if it were Camby & Novak for Bargs. I wouldn't even give up Amare for him.

A healthy bargnani is a monster.

[Raps Maniac]

Bargnani & Valincunas for Tyson and you got yourself a deal

If we trade tyson we MUST receive a big back in return

[StephNYKurry]

Bargnani & Valincunas for Tyson and you got yourself a deal

If we trade tyson we MUST receive a big back in return

Great response

[BowlRips]

"try to trade" doesn't equal cheap....ujiri isn't gonna get fleeced in his first deal.

Every player whom comes to NY as a starter gets that heat, especially a former #1 pick that everyone views as a bust.


The pressure on him would be monumental.

you already said that ive satisfied the needs of the raptors with cambys expiring, novaks shooting and a late first rounder. do you think another team will offer more? i dont think anyone in the league would consider trading a starting caliber player for him

I think they might coinsider it, doubt they do it.

I dont think anyone would offer a starter for him but I also dont think he could be a productive starter either.

The "hopes" are just not there, he's been in the league too long now, and he certainly is not gonna restore all that hope in front of the Garden crowd on a hoepful contender.

He wont even do what you're hoping for.

Why would Indy put their defnsive center on a guy with no conscinece about shooting and isn't efficient at such?

barganani is no threat to anything but costing teams wins.

but the point is that we have no flexibility and our only assets are cambys expiring deal and this 24th pick.
Our biggest need is a stretch 4.
i think you can work with bargs i really do.
obviously you dont like him, but there is definitely a serious case to be made for why the knicks should go after him

[NoLayupRule]

wow

just wow


Ive seen this board grossly overvalue players on other teams and sickeningly scapegoat our guys but this is epic

tyson is the defensive heart of this team
this team is finally a defensive lock down squad - often they wait until the 4th sadly - for the first time in decades
tyson had multiple 20 rebound games and was an allstar

and here is Bargs who gets bood everytime hes on the floor, who can hardly stay as healthy as stat and who is owned 10 and 11 mil this nad next year

Bargs who plays almost zero defense and just likes to shoot 3s


and somehow you think a pick in a bad draft makes that a good trade???

Sometimes I wish I could revoke the fandom of people with a lower basketball IQ than a cheeseburger

Actually Shump is.

No
Your memory is being clouded as is that of so many fans

Yes, in the playoffs Shump was far and away the best defender and defensive leader

However chandler has been the defensive leader of this team for two years. Since day one.
And he still is. Despite his poor playoff performance.

His neck and then flu took a lot out if him


Shump may be our best defender but chandler inspires and covers the rest of the team
He's our defensive heart and leader

This conversation changes nothing though. All I'm pointing to is how undervalued chandler has become that some foolishly might suggest trading him for a player that we would all want Eddie Curry over.

[KobeDwightPau]

Heres a good trade-
Knicks get-Bargnani, Gay,
Raptors get-Shumpert, Camby

[StephNYKurry]

Wouldn't mind some of this at all, but no Amare (can't believe I just said that)

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[Thugger HBC]

but the point is that we have no flexibility and our only assets are cambys expiring deal and this 24th pick.
Our biggest need is a stretch 4.
i think you can work with bargs i really do.
obviously you dont like him, but there is definitely a serious case to be made for why the knicks should go after him

I'd betcha you could could get him for free after he is amnestied, there is a reason why he's being shopped before july 1.

He's not a good player which is why I dont want him.