Bargnani?

[CKamm1]

He's large. That's valuable on defense. Even if you're a stiff and Woody should be able to get at least a little out of him on the defensive end.

Dirk is garbage on D but he's still 7 feet tall.

Dirk made himself into a serviceable team defender. At the very least he's shown some desire to play on that end. He also rebounds at a pretty decent rate for a guy who plays on the perimeter a lot.

For Bargnani, being tall doesn't help becasue he doesn't actually play tall. Inch for inch he is likely the single worst defender and rebounder in the entire league.

[BowlRips]

He's large. That's valuable on defense. Even if you're a stiff and Woody should be able to get at least a little out of him on the defensive end.

Dirk is garbage on D but he's still 7 feet tall.

Dirk made himself into a serviceable team defender. At the very least he's shown some desire to play on that end. He also rebounds at a pretty decent rate for a guy who plays on the perimeter a lot.

For Bargnani, being tall doesn't help becasue he doesn't actually play tall. Inch for inch he is likely the single worst defender and rebounder in the entire league.

whats better bargs on west or melo on west?
yes lets have melo bang with bigs all season long and not expect him to hurt him body

[CKamm1]

so would you rather a 7ft player to space the floor or a 6'2 player to space the floor putting our players in mismatches on defense

Your argument for Bargnani involves defense?

well if the knicks are gonna match the pacers up like this

Hibbert - Chandler
West - Melo
George - Shump
Stephenson - Felton
Hill - Prigioni

rather than this

Hibbert - Chandler
West - Bargnani
George - Shump
Stephenson - Melo
Hill - Felton

then yes

How in the world do you see that as an improvement defensively? Are you nuts?

[Thugger HBC]

He's large. That's valuable on defense. Even if you're a stiff and Woody should be able to get at least a little out of him on the defensive end.

Dirk is garbage on D but he's still 7 feet tall.

Dirk made himself into a serviceable team defender. At the very least he's shown some desire to play on that end. He also rebounds at a pretty decent rate for a guy who plays on the perimeter a lot.

For Bargnani, being tall doesn't help becasue he doesn't actually play tall. Inch for inch he is likely the single worst defender and rebounder in the entire league.

whats better bargs on west or melo on west?

i thought you said bargs was supposed to draw hibbert out the paint and melo would enjoy a wide open lane?

[CKamm1]

He's large. That's valuable on defense. Even if you're a stiff and Woody should be able to get at least a little out of him on the defensive end.

Dirk is garbage on D but he's still 7 feet tall.

Dirk made himself into a serviceable team defender. At the very least he's shown some desire to play on that end. He also rebounds at a pretty decent rate for a guy who plays on the perimeter a lot.

For Bargnani, being tall doesn't help becasue he doesn't actually play tall. Inch for inch he is likely the single worst defender and rebounder in the entire league.

whats better bargs on west or melo on west?
yes lets have melo bang with bigs all season long and not expect him to hurt him body

I'm fine if you want to get someone else so Melo doesn't have to. But Bargnani is absolutely not the answer.

[BowlRips]

Your argument for Bargnani involves defense?

well if the knicks are gonna match the pacers up like this

Hibbert - Chandler
West - Melo
George - Shump
Stephenson - Felton
Hill - Prigioni

rather than this

Hibbert - Chandler
West - Bargnani
George - Shump
Stephenson - Melo
Hill - Felton

then yes

How in the world do you see that as an improvement defensively? Are you nuts?

The team is too small on defense plain and simple. Your having 3/5 positions trying to guard a player bigger then them!

[BowlRips]

Dirk made himself into a serviceable team defender. At the very least he's shown some desire to play on that end. He also rebounds at a pretty decent rate for a guy who plays on the perimeter a lot.

For Bargnani, being tall doesn't help becasue he doesn't actually play tall. Inch for inch he is likely the single worst defender and rebounder in the entire league.

whats better bargs on west or melo on west?
yes lets have melo bang with bigs all season long and not expect him to hurt him body

I'm fine if you want to get someone else so Melo doesn't have to. But Bargnani is absolutely not the answer.

so find me a player thats available for cambys expiring and steve novak that can solve the knicks issue of a capable stretch 4

[CKamm1]

The team is too small on defense plain and simple. Your having 3/5 positions trying to guard a player bigger then them!

Yeah, that's fine, but the idea that Bargnani can help that is absolutely ludicrous. He is one of, if not the worst, defenders in basketball. Bar none. Doesn't matter how tall he is.

[StephNYKurry]

whats better bargs on west or melo on west?
yes lets have melo bang with bigs all season long and not expect him to hurt him body

I'm fine if you want to get someone else so Melo doesn't have to. But Bargnani is absolutely not the answer.

so find me a player thats available for cambys expiring and steve novak that can solve the knicks issue of a capable stretch 4

Amare Stoudemire

[Thugger HBC]

so find me a player thats available for cambys expiring and steve novak that can solve the knicks issue of a capable stretch 4

he wont be doing what you're advertising.

You stated earlier, he can draw hibbert out of the paint....thats false.

he's not as consistent enough shooter, so West will guard him just fine...at best he hits below half of his shots and any team can live with that.

3rd point? he's gonna be amnestied, no one is gonna help the raps pay for him.

[StephNYKurry]

The thing about this is that we essentially pick him up for free in the deal rips proposed.

No assets are being traded and you still have STAT and K-Mart if he bombs.

It's a shot in the dark on a guy who has averaged 20 in the league and 3 times has hit 100 3's at 7 feet tall.

I just don't see how that's a bad thing. If he sucks, you sit him. Simple as that. Then use his contract as cap relief for a team willing to part with a piece that could be helpful to us the following year.

[BowlRips]

The thing about this is that we essentially pick him up for free in the deal rips proposed.

No assets are being traded and you still have STAT and K-Mart if he bombs.

It's a shot in the dark on a guy who has averaged 20 in the league and 3 times has hit 100 3's at 7 feet tall.

I just don't see how that's a bad thing. If he sucks, you sit him. Simple as that. Then use his contract as cap relief the following year.

amen

[Thugger HBC]

Now the biggest selling point for Bargnani is he has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony.

That alone is enough reason to have him wait to be amnestied.

[BowlRips]

Now the biggest selling point for Bargnani is he has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony.

That alone is enough reason to have him wait to be amnestied.

who said that?

camby and novak to take a flier on this guy.
thats all it could cost

[Thugger HBC]

Now the biggest selling point for Bargnani is he has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony.

That alone is enough reason to have him wait to be amnestied.

who said that?

camby and novak to take a flier on this guy.
thats all it could cost

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

[BowlRips]

Now the biggest selling point for Bargnani is he has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony.

That alone is enough reason to have him wait to be amnestied.

who said that?

camby and novak to take a flier on this guy.
thats all it could cost

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

if he goes to waivers you cant get him. we are 24th on the list with no cap space.

[StephNYKurry]

Now the biggest selling point for Bargnani is he has the same agent as Carmelo Anthony.

That alone is enough reason to have him wait to be amnestied.

who said that?

camby and novak to take a flier on this guy.
thats all it could cost

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

Aren't waiver claims put in for Amnestied guys? He has to clear waivers to pick him up.

[Thugger HBC]

who said that?

camby and novak to take a flier on this guy.
thats all it could cost

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

if he goes to waivers you cant get him. we are 24th on the list with no cap space.

Do you think Leon Rose is incapable of ensuring he cleared waivers?

[StephNYKurry]

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

if he goes to waivers you cant get him. we are 24th on the list with no cap space.

Do you think Leon Rose is incapable of ensuring he cleared waivers?

What's the point in taking that chance when he can be acquired for Camby and Novak?

[BowlRips]

He's gonna be amnestied, that's why July1 is so important.

You can truly get him for free if you wait, let the agent steer his client.

Any package you put together can be used for something else.

if he goes to waivers you cant get him. we are 24th on the list with no cap space.

Do you think Leon Rose is incapable of ensuring he cleared waivers?

okay so he clears waivers then you go out and sign him. 2 years 6 mil.
oh so no money for copeland and prigioni
who would you rather bring back. camby and novak for copeland and prigs, let alone the risk he actually clears