Bargnani?

[Thugger HBC]

if he goes to waivers you cant get him. we are 24th on the list with no cap space.

Do you think Leon Rose is incapable of ensuring he cleared waivers?

okay so he clears waivers then you go out and sign him. 2 years 6 mil.
oh so no money for copeland and prigioni
who would you rather bring back. camby and novak for copeland and prigs, let alone the risk he actually clears

He'll still have his salary, he basically becomes andray blatche...vet min signing.

He wont affect any future move this way.

I'd think the biggest agent in the game can make it happen....for free.

[BowlRips]

Do you think Leon Rose is incapable of ensuring he cleared waivers?

okay so he clears waivers then you go out and sign him. 2 years 6 mil.
oh so no money for copeland and prigioni
who would you rather bring back. camby and novak for copeland and prigs, let alone the risk he actually clears

He'll still have his salary, he basically becomes andray blatche...vet min signing.

He wont affect any future move this way.

I'd think the biggest agent in the game can make it happen....for free.

if thats the case then awesome.

[nykballa2k4]

66 and 76

One is the number of games that Stoudemire has played the past 2 seasons, the other is the number of games Bargnani has played the past 2 seasons. Guess which one is which?

430 and 450

One is the number of games played by Stoudemire since the 2006-2007 season, the other is the number of games played by Barnani since he came into the league in 2006-2007. Guess which one is which?

14.2ppg/5.0rpg/.575FG and 12.7ppg/3.7rpg/.399FG

One is the stats for Stoudemire this season, the other is the stats for Bargnani this season. Guess which one is which?

0 and 1

One is the number of 1st round picks the Knicks has this year, the other is the number of 1st round picks the Raptors have this year. Guess which is which?

Vagigi and Scrotum

One is what Stoudemire has. The other is what Bargnani has. Guess which one has which?

I can keep going on and on. The only thing that Bargnani has that is better than Stoudemire is that he's owed less money for the next two seasons (the Knicks will be well over the cap whether they have Stoudemire or Bargnani).

This is a graphical explanation for grass..



...something similar would apply to players on your team compared to players on the other team.

Bargnani has been coddled his whole career. A change of scenery and he might have SOME value.

The reason your numbers are invalid is because Amare has a WORSENING condition where as Barg-gina's problems are metamucil-regular.

Now what this means is trading Amare for Bargs is a managed risk. The loss is that we lose our ONLY potential post scorer. The possible gain is that we essentially get a guy who on offense can cover what we might lose if Copeland walks. Just another thought is that my proposal of Amare for Bargnani involved Rudy Gay. Gay has the most talent in that deal and would be taken as a way to remove 2 bad contracts from TOR in exchange for 1. If you are talking about a straight up Andrea for Amare deal, what else do the Knicks get back? They owe us 8 millions.

Honestly I do believe in a 1 game situation the whole world including this board takes Amare over Bargs.

A better comparison conversation would be built around a far more likely deal:
Novak and Camby for Bargnani.

Toronto solidifies a center rotation, they stand pat with their brand of small ball, add a shooter and remove the symbol of Collangelo's tenure.

Knicks trade 2 guys Woodson will never use for 1 guy Woodson might be able to sculp. Woodson's developmental abilities have been witnessed with Copeland who made strides as a 28 year old. Why not Bargnani?

[Thugger HBC]

the Raptors are NOT trading bargs for any package featuring amare, no point in discussing that.

[BowlRips]

66 and 76

One is the number of games that Stoudemire has played the past 2 seasons, the other is the number of games Bargnani has played the past 2 seasons. Guess which one is which?

430 and 450

One is the number of games played by Stoudemire since the 2006-2007 season, the other is the number of games played by Barnani since he came into the league in 2006-2007. Guess which one is which?

14.2ppg/5.0rpg/.575FG and 12.7ppg/3.7rpg/.399FG

One is the stats for Stoudemire this season, the other is the stats for Bargnani this season. Guess which one is which?

0 and 1

One is the number of 1st round picks the Knicks has this year, the other is the number of 1st round picks the Raptors have this year. Guess which is which?

Vagigi and Scrotum

One is what Stoudemire has. The other is what Bargnani has. Guess which one has which?

I can keep going on and on. The only thing that Bargnani has that is better than Stoudemire is that he's owed less money for the next two seasons (the Knicks will be well over the cap whether they have Stoudemire or Bargnani).

This is a graphical explanation for grass..



...something similar would apply to players on your team compared to players on the other team.

Bargnani has been coddled his whole career. A change of scenery and he might have SOME value.

The reason your numbers are invalid is because Amare has a WORSENING condition where as Barg-gina's problems are metamucil-regular.

Now what this means is trading Amare for Bargs is a managed risk. The loss is that we lose our ONLY potential post scorer. The possible gain is that we essentially get a guy who on offense can cover what we might lose if Copeland walks. Just another thought is that my proposal of Amare for Bargnani involved Rudy Gay. Gay has the most talent in that deal and would be taken as a way to remove 2 bad contracts from TOR in exchange for 1. If you are talking about a straight up Andrea for Amare deal, what else do the Knicks get back? They owe us 8 millions.

Honestly I do believe in a 1 game situation the whole world including this board takes Amare over Bargs.

A better comparison conversation would be built around a far more likely deal:
Novak and Camby for Bargnani.

Toronto solidifies a center rotation, they stand pat with their brand of small ball, add a shooter and remove the symbol of Collangelo's tenure.

Knicks trade 2 guys Woodson will never use for 1 guy Woodson might be able to sculp. Woodson's developmental abilities have been witnessed with Copeland who made strides as a 28 year old. Why not Bargnani?

ive been preaching this all day!

[nykballa2k4]

the Raptors are NOT trading bargs for any package featuring amare, no point in discussing that.

In all honesty, it seems like Ujiri is resigned to just amnesty Bargnani. This trade stuff is him seeing if he can get something/anything more useful than that contract off his books. So if I had a guess as the only deal Knicks could plausibly offer: Kidd+Camby for Bargnani due to non-guaranteed contracts.

[Thugger HBC]

the Raptors are NOT trading bargs for any package featuring amare, no point in discussing that.

In all honesty, it seems like Ujiri is resigned to just amnesty Bargnani. This trade stuff is him seeing if he can get something/anything more useful than that contract off his books. So if I had a guess as the only deal Knicks could plausibly offer: Kidd+Camby for Bargnani due to non-guaranteed contracts.

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

[StephNYKurry]

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

[nykballa2k4]

the Raptors are NOT trading bargs for any package featuring amare, no point in discussing that.

In all honesty, it seems like Ujiri is resigned to just amnesty Bargnani. This trade stuff is him seeing if he can get something/anything more useful than that contract off his books. So if I had a guess as the only deal Knicks could plausibly offer: Kidd+Camby for Bargnani due to non-guaranteed contracts.

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Yup. I was just contrasting what I wrote previously (the only deals I do as a Knick fan) with what you said (deals that Raps would be willing/interested in). Raps want relief and flexibility, but those assets are worth more to NY than bringing in Gallo-lite.

If only Bargnani had Bellineli's nads

[Thugger HBC]

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

[Thugger HBC]

In all honesty, it seems like Ujiri is resigned to just amnesty Bargnani. This trade stuff is him seeing if he can get something/anything more useful than that contract off his books. So if I had a guess as the only deal Knicks could plausibly offer: Kidd+Camby for Bargnani due to non-guaranteed contracts.

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Yup. I was just contrasting what I wrote previously (the only deals I do as a Knick fan) with what you said (deals that Raps would be willing/interested in). Raps want relief and flexibility, but those assets are worth more to NY than bringing in Gallo-lite.

If only Bargnani had Bellineli's nads

Agreed.

[StephNYKurry]

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Hell no. Why would I be upset?

Camby and Novak is the 95% off discount.

That's a gentleman's agreement and your partner in the transaction saying "name your price"

There's no reason to be upset about that.

Camby and Novak won't net you anything superior to Bargs.

[Thugger HBC]

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Hell no. Why would I be upset?

Camby and Novak is the 95% off discount.

That's a gentleman's agreement and your partner in the transaction saying "name your price"

There's no reason to be upset about that.

Camby and Novak won't net you anything superior to Bargs.

what?

[nykballa2k4]

Can't see the Knicks doing it at all, the risk is just too huge.

i'd be surprised if he is traded at all, no one wants that contract.

They'd have to fork over a draft pick to get anyone to consider, primarily just like you said, every team knows he most likely will be amnestied.

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Here is my issue with your agent hypothesis:

Bargnani is not seen as a horrid player in the eyes of many in the NBA. Moreover, I am sure when Bargs looks in the mirror he sees a player worthy of a good contract. No one will offer him anything good. His agent wants $. So what his agent will prioritize is exposure and opportunity. What I am thinking is Portland, where Bargs can compete for a starting job, Lakers where he can provide spacing and get a chance to work with MOAR THREES Dan Toney, or even the Bulls as a replacement for VladRad.

After seeing what we did to Copeland: although we improved his skillset, we burried him on the bench for large portions of the season, an agent would have cause for concern sending his tweener forward to Woodson. Bargnani in 2013-2014 will be effectively playing for his last chance at a big pay day.

[Red Vines]

If they're willing to take Camby and Novak and we have no better offers...sure, why not. We're not counting on Novak or Camby anyway.

[nykballa2k4]

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Hell no. Why would I be upset?

Camby and Novak is the 95% off discount.

That's a gentleman's agreement and your partner in the transaction saying "name your price"

There's no reason to be upset about that.

Camby and Novak won't net you anything superior to Bargs.

While I still pull that trigger 7 times out of 10, there is a chance that Camby is the most valuable player in that deal. 1) Camby could be seen as expiring as next season is the only guaranteed. 2) Camby, when given playing time is still a rebounding machine and more than adequately holds down the proverbial fort at center. Camby at worst is a 0 sum (what you want out of a 12 min vet center). Bargs could come in and basically be a giant sieve in your teams concept on both sides of the floor.

[Thugger HBC]

Will you be throwing things if you find out the Knicks have dealt for Bargnani with Camby and Novak?

If so, why?

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Here is my issue with your agent hypothesis:

Bargnani is not seen as a horrid player in the eyes of many in the NBA. Moreover, I am sure when Bargs looks in the mirror he sees a player worthy of a good contract. No one will offer him anything good. His agent wants $. So what his agent will prioritize is exposure and opportunity. What I am thinking is Portland, where Bargs can compete for a starting job, Lakers where he can provide spacing and get a chance to work with MOAR THREES Dan Toney, or even the Bulls as a replacement for VladRad.

After seeing what we did to Copeland: although we improved his skillset, we burried him on the bench for large portions of the season, an agent would have cause for concern sending his tweener forward to Woodson. Bargnani in 2013-2014 will be effectively playing for his last chance at a big pay day.

The Knicks have taken care of CAA quite well.

I'd guarantee they would look at what we've done with their clients, matter of fact JR probably played more than Cope because of it.

[nykballa2k4]

When I believe they can have him for free?

Bargnani has ZERO trade value.

Now will you be throwing things when he's wearing the same designer suits as Amare like he has the last two years?

he hasn't played any more games than amare...think about that.

Here is my issue with your agent hypothesis:

Bargnani is not seen as a horrid player in the eyes of many in the NBA. Moreover, I am sure when Bargs looks in the mirror he sees a player worthy of a good contract. No one will offer him anything good. His agent wants $. So what his agent will prioritize is exposure and opportunity. What I am thinking is Portland, where Bargs can compete for a starting job, Lakers where he can provide spacing and get a chance to work with MOAR THREES Dan Toney, or even the Bulls as a replacement for VladRad.

After seeing what we did to Copeland: although we improved his skillset, we burried him on the bench for large portions of the season, an agent would have cause for concern sending his tweener forward to Woodson. Bargnani in 2013-2014 will be effectively playing for his last chance at a big pay day.

The Knicks have taken care of CAA quite well.

I'd guarantee they would look at what we've done with their clients, matter of fact JR probably played more than Cope because of it.

If that is the case, is signing Bargnani for "free" worth the actual price of seeing him get a similar leash to JR?

[Thugger HBC]

Here is my issue with your agent hypothesis:

Bargnani is not seen as a horrid player in the eyes of many in the NBA. Moreover, I am sure when Bargs looks in the mirror he sees a player worthy of a good contract. No one will offer him anything good. His agent wants $. So what his agent will prioritize is exposure and opportunity. What I am thinking is Portland, where Bargs can compete for a starting job, Lakers where he can provide spacing and get a chance to work with MOAR THREES Dan Toney, or even the Bulls as a replacement for VladRad.

After seeing what we did to Copeland: although we improved his skillset, we burried him on the bench for large portions of the season, an agent would have cause for concern sending his tweener forward to Woodson. Bargnani in 2013-2014 will be effectively playing for his last chance at a big pay day.

The Knicks have taken care of CAA quite well.

I'd guarantee they would look at what we've done with their clients, matter of fact JR probably played more than Cope because of it.

If that is the case, is signing Bargnani for "free" worth the actual price of seeing him get a similar leash to JR?

i dont want him at all, but gladly take him for free.

We already know he shoots with no reagrd....just like JR, sounds like he fits in fine.

[nykballa2k4]

The Knicks have taken care of CAA quite well.

I'd guarantee they would look at what we've done with their clients, matter of fact JR probably played more than Cope because of it.

If that is the case, is signing Bargnani for "free" worth the actual price of seeing him get a similar leash to JR?

i dont want him at all, but gladly take him for free.

We already know he shoots with no reagrd....just like JR, sounds like he fits in fine.

I feel frightened.