Pre-Draft Thread / Workout Updates

theGreatRC · Post #61 » by **theGreatRC** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:45 pm

If he is a Klay Thompson level shooter, then i'm all for it.

I couldn't care less if he attacks the rim, Love and Ricky get enough fouls for us to put us in the bonus each game and Pek takes a lot of space.

I still want Oladipo first.

Mattya · Post #62 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:47 pm

Agreed. I think he will struggle dribbling on the perimeter on the next level. Dribbling is one thing that guys never seem to develop in the NBA. Either they have it by now or they don't. I think KCP will end up being a spot up shooter, who can maybe have a one dribble pull up and not much else. I think we could do better.

the_bruce · Post #63 » by **the_bruce** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:48 pm

I doubt shabaz has a trob or d Jordan type of tumble down the draft boards I think it'd have to be in the teens?

I like our options at 9. I'm fine with Baz, McCollum, or kcp there. I can see all these guys slide into the teens too. If we can trade up to snag one of those guys or gobert I'd be cited!

Mattya · Post #64 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:51 pm

theGreatRC wrote:If he is a Klay Thompson level shooter, then i'm all for it.

I couldn't care less if he attacks the rim, Love and Ricky get enough fouls for us to put us in the bonus each game and Pek takes a lot of space.

I still want Oladipo first.

I care a lot about a guy attacking the rim. Drawing fouls, getting closer to the hoop, drawing in defenses are all things you can never get enough of. If we are looking for a strictly spot up shooter you can find that in free agency.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #65 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 3:59 pm

Mattya wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:If he is a Klay Thompson level shooter, then i'm all for it.

I couldn't care less if he attacks the rim, Love and Ricky get enough fouls for us to put us in the bonus each game and Pek takes a lot of space.

I still want Oladipo first.

I care a lot about a guy attacking the rim. Drawing fouls, getting closer to the hoop, drawing in defenses are all things you can never get enough of. If we are looking for a strictly spot up shooter you can find that in free agency.

I dont watch a lot of college hoops so I'll defer to those that have, but just watching the scouting clip, I was sold when they showed how good he was at shaking closeout defenders. I think that's what makes him more than a spot up shooter. There's plenty of guys that can hit an open jumper, but then they have nothing when a hard closeout comes, but he's got good numbers shooting off the dribble. He looks like a guy that can hit shots off a catch, or if the defense comes, make some moves to get free for a shot off the dribble.

Grits n Gravy · Post #66 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 4:12 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Mattya wrote:
theGreatRC wrote:If he is a Klay Thompson level shooter, then i'm all for it.

I couldn't care less if he attacks the rim, Love and Ricky get enough fouls for us to put us in the bonus each game and Pek takes a lot of space.

I still want Oladipo first.

I care a lot about a guy attacking the rim. Drawing fouls, getting closer to the hoop, drawing in defenses are all things you can never get enough of. If we are looking for a strictly spot up shooter you can find that in free agency.

I dont watch a lot of college hoops so I'll defer to those that have, but just watching the scouting clip, I was sold when they showed how good he was at shaking closeout defenders. I think that's what makes him more than a spot up shooter. There's plenty of guys that can hit an open jumper, but then they have nothing when a hard closeout comes, but he's got good numbers shooting off the dribble. He looks like a guy that can hit shots off a catch, or if the defense comes, make some moves to get free for a shot off the dribble.

I also don't watch a ton and have never seen KCP but I really hated seeing the fact on those hard close outs he just settles for a one dribble long two or three. Speaking scritctly offensively he scares me a bit after experiencing Wes's refusal to attack the paint in any scenario. Wayne was pretty much the same in being strictly a jump shooter, but if he can actually shoot(as directed at the Wes statement) and defend(in Wayne's case)he should be at least a rotation player and serviceable. I agree we should look at free agency for a shooter and go for BPA at #9 if we are just looking for shooting.

Post #67 » by **Calinks** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 4:32 pm

I am loving the possibility of KCP. My only worry is that he slightly reminds me of Wesley Johnson and we know how that turned out. Basically if KCP can't shoot at the NBA level we are screwed, cause he aint slashing anytime soon with that dribble. Now if he CAN shoot, Good Golly Ms. Molly!

nickforthreee · Post #68 » by **nickforthreee** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 4:57 pm

I don't know if its even possible to find online, but if any of you haven't seen the Georgia vs LSU game (KCPs last college game) try to find the full game online, by the end of it every last one of you will be on the KCP bandwagon. It was an amazing performance.

moss_is_1 · Post #69 » by **moss_is_1** » Sat Jun 1, 2013 11:41 pm

the_bruce wrote:I doubt shabaz has a trob or d Jordan type of tumble down the draft boards I think it'd have to be in the teens?

I like our options at 9. I'm fine with Baz, McCollum, or kcp there. I can see all these guys slide into the teens too. If we can trade up to snag one of those guys or gobert I'd be cited!

T-rob only fell to #4..pretty much where he was projected to go.

[RCG] · Post #70 » by **[RCG]** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 2:21 am

I thought Rubio was the person driving the lanes, opening up the perimeter which is why we needed a shooter in the first place. Honestly how much is the SG going to have the ball in his hand - Rubio is going to be the primary ball-handler. Love will get the ball and create a little bit and Pek will get it down low. Those three guys will handle the ball the majority of the time - I'm not concerned with a lack of elite dribbling skills out of the SG position.

Mattya · Post #71 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 2:42 am

You need more than just Rubio getting into the lane. Having one player being able to drive the lane isn't enough. Especially when that player has questionable finishing skills. Shved hasn't shown he is consistent enough either. You need to have at least one player on your team who can consistently attack the rim and finish. We have nobody consistent enough to do that on the perimeter. I don't want our team to live and die by the three. If we are struggling I want guys to attack the basket and be able to finish or create for others. Even a team with Lebron James needed another player who can attack the rim. Even back in his Cleveland days. Having guys who can't attack the basket kills you against teams like Memphis, Miami and Indiana.

[RCG] · Post #72 » by **[RCG]** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:12 am

But to what level are we talking about? LeBron, Wade, Harden? I don't see many of those players. Shabazz or Burke in this draft. The players who can drive effectively usually don't shoot well and vice versa and I happen to agree with the organization - shooters are a bigger need than slashers.

Post #73 » by **Klomp** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:31 am

9. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
26. Ricky Ledo
52. Colton Iverson
59. Rodney Williams

Rubio / Shved / Ridnour
Caldwell-Pope / Ledo / Williams
Kirilenko / Budinger / Gelabale
Love / Cunningham / Williams
Pekovic / Iverson / Johnson

Mattya · Post #74 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:37 am

We don't need a superstar slasher, nobody said that, but we can't have Wes Johnson level of attacking the basket in half court offense. KCP has a really bad handle getting to the rim. Now maybe it will transition better in the pros, but that isn't a given. We obviously need shooters, but lets not pretend that the organization doesn't value attacking the basket either. Hence Flips comments that we need a guy that can get his own shot on the perimeter. We need players who can do both. You can find specialists in free agency.

Adenusi · Post #75 » by **Adenusi** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:30 am

Not really one player to build around. Love is not a franchise player. Rubio not a top ten PG. Pekovic injury prone. KCP will make Rubio look better but don't overdo it and bring in multiple SG's.

FinnTheHuman · Post #76 » by **FinnTheHuman** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 1:59 pm

Mattya wrote:We don't need a superstar slasher, nobody said that, but we can't have Wes Johnson level of attacking the basket in half court offense. KCP has a really bad handle getting to the rim. Now maybe it will transition better in the pros, but that isn't a given. We obviously need shooters, but lets not pretend that the organization doesn't value attacking the basket either. Hence Flips comments that we need a guy that can get his own shot on the perimeter. We need players who can do both. You can find specialists in free agency.

Well, Johnson was a bad slasher not only because he was simply bad at it, but also because he has not established himself as a shooting threat, or a good passer, or having a good pump fake or being good in any aspect at all. F.e. Curry or Ray Allen are finishing a lot around the rim while being skinny and weak mostly because they are perceived as shooting threats. If KCP hits his jumpers at high rate, driving will come.

Mattya · Post #77 » by **Mattya** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:24 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:
Mattya wrote:We don't need a superstar slasher, nobody said that, but we can't have Wes Johnson level of attacking the basket in half court offense. KCP has a really bad handle getting to the rim. Now maybe it will transition better in the pros, but that isn't a given. We obviously need shooters, but lets not pretend that the organization doesn't value attacking the basket either. Hence Flips comments that we need a guy that can get his own shot on the perimeter. We need players who can do both. You can find specialists in free agency.

Well, Johnson was a bad slasher not only because he was simply bad at it, but also because he has not established himself as a shooting threat, or a good passer, or having a good pump fake or being good in any aspect at all. F.e. Curry or Ray Allen are finishing a lot around the rim while being skinny and weak mostly because they are perceived as shooting threats. If KCP hits his jumpers at high rate, driving will come.

Those guys finish at the rim because they have the skills to do so. It isn't a matter of being skinny or only about being a threat from the outside. It is a matter of skills. If you have a loose handle, are mechanical, and make poor decisions getting to the rim you are going to fail at it. Wes Johnson didn't suck at getting to the rim because he struggles shooting, in some cases in may have contributed, but the reason he sucked getting to the rim was because he had a extremely bad handle and was terrible at finishing with contact. Outside shooting doesn't lead to getting to the rim, it helps, but that doesn't directly correlate. If that were the case this wouldn't be a question mark for KCP. Let's not pretend that it isn't a question mark just so that we can hype a player we like.

Post #78 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 6:00 pm

Continue pre-draft talk here

Post #79 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 6:14 pm

I guess it depends on how you view Ledo...

Personally, I think hes got potential to be a stud. If we can't get Oladipo somehow, I go big at 9 (Adams, Zeller) and take Ledo at 26.

I've never heard of the guy, but the obvious question would be: If he's so good why would he be around at 26?

Post #80 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 6:19 pm

Worm Guts wrote:
I guess it depends on how you view Ledo...

Personally, I think hes got potential to be a stud. If we can't get Oladipo somehow, I go big at 9 (Adams, Zeller) and take Ledo at 26.

I've never heard of the guy, but the obvious question would be: If he's so good why would he be around at 26?

He's an unknown because he didn't play at all last year. Similar to how Ben McLemore was an unknown before the start of the college basketball season because he had taken the previous year off.