Bargnani?

[Thugger HBC]

it's just incredibly annoying to be wasting away the rest of melo's prime putting a max money paperweight next to him. ridiculous.

the topic of discussion places bargnani as the 2nd option.

[Never Wrong]

it's just incredibly annoying to be wasting away the rest of melo's prime putting a max money paperweight next to him. ridiculous.

the topic of discussion places bargnani as the 2nd option.

amare's not even the 2nd option. why would bargnani have to come here and take that role? jr/felton will share that. but even then, i'd rather have bargnani be the 2nd option, than the corpse of amare.

[Thugger HBC]

it's just incredibly annoying to be wasting away the rest of melo's prime putting a max money paperweight next to him. ridiculous.

the topic of discussion places bargnani as the 2nd option.

amare's not even the 2nd option. why would bargnani have to come here and take that role? jr/felton will share that. but even then, i'd rather have bargnani be the 2nd option, than the corpse of amare.

they both played wore the same amount of suits the past two years, neither defends or rebounds.

same overpaid players to me only one is two years younger.

[Never Wrong]

they both played wore the same amount of suits the past two years, neither defends or rebounds.

same overpaid players to me only one is two years younger.

not even close to the same and amare's contract is infinitely worse. bargnani it's possible he can get healthier (more than possible, actually) eventually. amare we know can't. there's no argument for amare vs. any player at this point. toronto hasn't even been actively trying to win. they're not taking risks with any players they're trying to trade. so if he gets a papercut, bam, inactive list. nobody wants to trade for amare. toronto might not get a ton of offers they like for bargnani, but i bet they get offers. nobody's calling about amare.

[Knicksfan20]

No

[Thugger HBC]

they both played wore the same amount of suits the past two years, neither defends or rebounds.

same overpaid players to me only one is two years younger.

not even close to the same and amare's contract is infinitely worse. bargnani it's possible he can get healthier (more than possible, actually) eventually. amare we know can't. there's no argument for amare vs. any player at this point. toronto hasn't even been actively trying to win. they're not taking risks with any players they're trying to trade. so if he gets a papercut, bam, inactive list. nobody wants to trade for amare. toronto might not get a ton of offers they like for bargnani, but i bet they get offers. nobody's calling about amare.

they are calling for bargnani either, they been trying to move him for over 3 years.

[Rasho Brezec]

Raps fans wanted Bargnani gone, not Colangelo.

[Never Wrong]

they both played wore the same amount of suits the past two years, neither defends or rebounds.

same overpaid players to me only one is two years younger.

not even close to the same and amare's contract is infinitely worse. bargnani it's possible he can get healthier (more than possible, actually) eventually. amare we know can't. there's no argument for amare vs. any player at this point. toronto hasn't even been actively trying to win. they're not taking risks with any players they're trying to trade. so if he gets a papercut, bam, inactive list. nobody wants to trade for amare. toronto might not get a ton of offers they like for bargnani, but i bet they get offers. nobody's calling about amare.

they are calling for bargnani either, they been trying to move him for over 3 years.

i bet they've turned down offers at some point. if they really wanted to move him by any means necessary, he'd be moved. i guarantee he gets traded this year if that new gm really doesn't want him there.

[nykballa2k4]

not even close to the same and amare's contract is infinitely worse. bargnani it's possible he can get healthier (more than possible, actually) eventually. amare we know can't. there's no argument for amare vs. any player at this point. toronto hasn't even been actively trying to win. they're not taking risks with any players they're trying to trade. so if he gets a papercut, bam, inactive list. nobody wants to trade for amare. toronto might not get a ton of offers they like for bargnani, but i bet they get offers. nobody's calling about amare.

they are calling for bargnani either, they been trying to move him for over 3 years.

i bet they've turned down offers at some point. if they really wanted to move him by any means necessary, he'd be moved. i guarantee he gets traded this year if that new gm really doesn't want him there.

The thing is Bargnani does not have to be traded. He can simply be amnestied. Amare cannot be amnestied. I don't see the comparison.

It was known that Bulls had an interest in Boozer for Bargs + during the season. People wanted Bargs, but only wanted him when they were giving up a worse contract. You say no one is calling for Amare. I bet you Bobcats offered something with Tyrus Thomas for him. I promise you every horrible long contract was offered for amare. I also would not be shocked to see a Gerald Wallace + someone for Amare offer this summer.

[TheBigBoss]

Put Bargnani with Dave Hopla and then put him next to Melo and he would be deadly:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3jWKv9u7-k[/youtube]

[Never Wrong]

It was known that Bulls had an interest in Boozer for Bargs + during the season. People wanted Bargs, but only wanted him when they were giving up a worse contract. You say no one is calling for Amare. I bet you Bobcats offered something with Tyrus Thomas for him. I promise you every horrible long contract was offered for amare. I also would not be shocked to see a Gerald Wallace + someone for Amare offer this summer.

nobody is calling for amare. period. there is no contract remotely close to as bad as amare's. so no, your scenario there would never happen. no one is calling for him. nobody will call for him in the future. and nobody has called for him. he's greg oden at this point. only the kicker is he makes max money. no one's even going after oden with a minimum deal. like i said and i can't be more clear, amare has NEGATIVE value. we have to pay a team just to take him away from us.

[GettinitDone]

Wouldn't mind some of this at all, but no Amare (can't believe I just said that)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjI2ivSn4jM[/youtube]

Thank you. It seems like the Heat are no longer a threat now with Wade and Bosh breaking down before our eyes... the thing that stands between us and Finals is the Pacers. And that big thing is Roy Hibbert. On the defensive end, he is a difference maker and it may be an understatement. He blocked Melo in crucial play, he blocked LeBron who was called for offensive foul today. Ref or not, this dude can just change a game and a series.

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

[Dr. Detfink]

This sounds good theoretically but why don't I believe it to be true.

[nykballa2k4]

It was known that Bulls had an interest in Boozer for Bargs + during the season. People wanted Bargs, but only wanted him when they were giving up a worse contract. You say no one is calling for Amare. I bet you Bobcats offered something with Tyrus Thomas for him. I promise you every horrible long contract was offered for amare. I also would not be shocked to see a Gerald Wallace + someone for Amare offer this summer.

nobody is calling for amare. period. there is no contract remotely close to as bad as amare's. so no, your scenario there would never happen. no one is calling for him. nobody will call for him in the future. and nobody has called for him. he's greg oden at this point. only the kicker is he makes max money. no one's even going after oden with a minimum deal. like i said and i can't be more clear, amare has NEGATIVE value. we have to pay a team just to take him away from us.

Do you have any sources for ANY of your thoughts there?

I honestly believe Billy King has called Grunnie already this summer and asked him about an Amare for Humphries and Wallace swap. I also guarantee you that Raptors would seriously consider offering a deal of Fields and Bargnani for Amare (if they didn't feel content eating $ by amnestying bargs).

You saying Amare is untradeable only means you believe he has the worst contract in the NBA and furthermore is the worst 19 million dollars/year spent by any team over the next 2 years.

Amare's contract will, of course, have high value in 1 year when he is an expiring contract.

[Thugger HBC]

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

West would be guarding bargnani.

[Never Wrong]

Do you have any sources for ANY of your thoughts there?

I honestly believe Billy King has called Grunnie already this summer and asked him about an Amare for Humphries and Wallace swap. I also guarantee you that Raptors would seriously consider offering a deal of Fields and Bargnani for Amare (if they didn't feel content eating $ by amnestying bargs).

You saying Amare is untradeable only means you believe he has the worst contract in the NBA and furthermore is the worst 19 million dollars/year spent by any team over the next 2 years.

Amare's contract will, of course, have high value in 1 year when he is an expiring contract.

does anyone have any sources for any thoughts at all?

you're making the same assumptions and guarantees. why is it you can and i can't?

if amare was tradeable he'd have been traded already.

and every player has value once they're expiring. keith van horn came out of retirement to sign a 1-yr $10 million dollar deal just to make the kidd trade work. he never played (obviously).

let me simplify this.

why would any team trade for a player whose gigantic max contract is uninsured? he has surgery now literally every year, sometimes twice a year. all the players you're naming can still play. amare's done. he'll be retiring after this contract's over. i bet he has knee surgery again this year too. AGAIN, like i said, he's the 20mil/yr greg oden right now. he'll give you a few games, then bam knee surgery, comes back, plays a few games, knee surgery again. and again, the contract is completely uninsured. no team outside of the lakers would even look in the direction of an uninsured player with a contract that big.

[SonOfMars]

I dont want Bargs at all, but I saw this suggested on twittah:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ljbeo43

If Kidd decides to retire...why not?

[FutureKnicksGM]

Bargs sucks but:

Option 1: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1253832

Use the trade exception generated to get a look at T-Rob.

Option 2:

Novak & Camby for Bargs.

Use Camby's non guaranteed deal to clear Novak's 2015 salary.

Option 3:

If you want him for his actual bball ability, you wait until he is amnestied and sign him for the minimum.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Wow... 20 page thread on Andrea Bargnani. Don't see that everyday.

[SonOfMars]

Wow... 20 page thread on Andrea Bargnani. Don't see that everyday.

Are you serious? We had like 100 pages on Solomon Jones