2014 Discussion Thread

MikeIsGood · Post #61 » by **MikeIsGood** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 11:36 am

Kohl Is A Mome wrote:Keep Segura, Braun and GoGo, get whatever you can for the rest of this mess.

This. I don't know what anyone would keep Yo for. GoGo I might trade if the offer truly is crazy, but I can't imagine anyway in hell I would trade Segura or Braun. I'd trade anyone for the right price, I just can't believe we'd get a deal that would make me happy.

braindazer · Post #62 » by **braindazer** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 3:31 pm

i would also keep luc !

coolhandluke121 · Post #63 » by **coolhandluke121** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 4:46 pm

I'm not so sure the Brewers can have a sell-off. With Braun in his prime and with a strong core of position players, they aren't as far off from being competitive as their current record indicates. Again, I go back to my argument that a few bad starting pitchers can make a team seem so much worse than it really is. I'm not sure how they can correct that problem, but the holes in the roster aren't as hard to fill as everyone thinks.

I think A-Ram has to be traded due to trade value, age, and $16m salary next season. Other that that, I'm not sure what they should do. They're kind of stuck hoping Weeks bounces back a little, but he could. Lucroy, Braun, Gomez, and Segura are locks. Going into next season with this lineup:

Segura
Aoki
Braun
??? ($16m in payroll flexibility for A-Ram)
Gomez
??? ($10m in payroll flexibility or Hart/Gamel or Morris)
Weeks
Lucroy

Isn't that bad.

Post #64 » by **jr lucosa** » Sun Jun 2, 2013 5:27 pm

coolhandluke121 wrote:I'm not so sure the Brewers can have a sell-off. With Braun in his prime and with a strong core of position players, they aren't as far off from being competitive as their current record indicates. Again, I go back to my argument that a few bad starting pitchers can make a team seem so much worse than it really is. I'm not sure how they can correct that problem, but the holes in the roster aren't as hard to fill as everyone thinks.

I think A-Ram has to be traded due to trade value, age, and $16m salary next season. Other that that, I'm not sure what they should do. They're kind of stuck hoping Weeks bounces back a little, but he could. Lucroy, Braun, Gomez, and Segura are locks. Going into next season with this lineup:

Segura
Aoki
Braun
??? ($16m in payroll flexibility for A-Ram)
Gomez
??? ($10m in payroll flexibility or Hart/Gamel or Morris)
Weeks
Lucroy

Isn't that bad.

Other than hitting on draft picks though which has not worked too great with the recent SP's so far, there's really no way for us to fill a 5 man rotation without big holes without selling multiple bats. We can't give a bunch of Lohse's 10m per and still field a team and I don't see how else we get quality starting pitchers.

coolhandluke121 · Post #65 » by **coolhandluke121** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 1:32 am

You're probably right. But with a good enough lineup, it may be possible to patch together just enough pitching to make the playoffs. Rookies often come up mid-season and pitch well for a few months before hitters figure them out. Between Lohse, Gallardo, Estrada, and Peralta, you can realistically hope at least two of them pitch well next year. There will be payroll flexibility, assuming they trade A-Ram and either let Hart walk or bring him back cheap. I'm just not fully convinced that the window is closed for next season.

trwi7 · Post #66 » by **trwi7** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 2:46 am

Okay Doug Melvin.

Kerb Hohl · Post #67 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 2:57 pm

The drafting and developing has been so horrible that we have literally nothing left to hope for at SP. I was on board Melvin's "win-now" moves and he's won with almost all of them but nothing has come through our own system after he unloaded the minor league trade chips we have (which most have amounted to nothing).

Ayt · Post #68 » by **Ayt** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 7:01 am

trwi7 wrote:Okay Doug Melvin.

And that.

coolhandluke121 · Post #69 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Jun 5, 2013 1:29 pm

I was kind of tip-toeing around what I really wanted to say, but my argument is not that they shouldn't rebuild or that they have a good chance at making the playoffs next year. My argument is that once you get to the point where you're saying you want to keep Segura, Gomez, Braun, and Gallardo but trade everyone else, that's a pretty half-assed rebuild. And you might turn right around and have a few surprising over-achievers next season, making you wish you had tried to stay in contention one more year. The window hasn't slammed shut. I think that's an over-reaction to a miserable half-season, and I don't think it's realistic to think this same roster would be this bad again next year.

To make a long story short, what I really wanted to say was that they should trade Braun, too. But I didn't want to seem contrarian or controversial for the sake of being controversial. I really think they should keep trying to piece it together as long as they want to keep him, or trade him if they're really ready to throw in the towel on this era of being regularly competitive. Now I wish I had said what I was really thinking, because the news of the possible 100-game suspension makes it look like I'm just saying "trade Braun" because of that.

All the talk about keeping Braun and a few others reminds me of when people wanted to keep Bogut and trade everyone else. That's rebuilding without having the guts to do what it really takes to make a successful rebuild far more likely.

coolhandluke121 · Post #70 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed Jun 5, 2013 1:33 pm

The pay-off for rebuilding by trading just Aoki, Lohse, and A-Ram just isn't that great. That's all I'm saying. If you call that "rebuilding", we have very different definitions of the term. I would either trade just Lohse and A-Ram and try to compete again next year, or trade nearly all the vets that have trade value and keep just Segura and possibly Gomez.

NeedsMoreCheese · Post #71 » by **NeedsMoreCheese** » Tue Jul 2, 2013 8:56 pm

I had no idea what thread to put this in so i'll put it here
http://disciplesofuecker.com/brewers-si ... lder/12788

Brewers gave out an 800k signing bonus to some 16 year old Dominican kid, Nicolas Pierre.

Pierre, 16, has an athletic 6-foot-3, 170-pound frame and made an impression with some scouts for his bat-to-ball ability from the right side of the plate and overall improvement as July 2 approached. He has good instincts in the outfield and has a chance to play center field. Pierre played in the International Prospect League and trains with Nelson Montes de Oca.

MikeIsGood · Post #72 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:54 am

Homer Bailey just picked up his second career no hitter against the Giants.

Post #73 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 1:39 pm

First no-hitter I've missed in the Twitter age. I was so pissed off at the Bucks I went internet dark for an hour or two. Thanks John. As*hole.

Siefer · Post #74 » by **Siefer** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 6:25 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:First no-hitter I've missed in the Twitter age. I was so pissed off at the Bucks I went internet dark for an hour or two. Thanks John. As*hole.

Same. I saw it hours later when I was looking at scores.

chuckleslove · Post #75 » by **chuckleslove** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 7:50 pm

I've grown so numb to the Bucks nothing they could do would make me go on an internet blackout.

MikeIsGood · Post #76 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 11:16 pm

chuckleslove wrote:I've grown so numb to the Bucks nothing they could do would make me go on an internet blackout.

This.

Post #77 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:52 pm

The staff had an all-day meeting yesterday to discuss the 40 and 25 man roster for 2014 yesterday.

I have no idea what they're planning on doing next season. After 2013 my guess is they'll try and field the best team they can, and that probably means that a couple guys I'd look to move won't be going anywhere. I'd sell on Lohse, Gallardo, Ramirez and Aoki for sure. I don't think Weeks is moveable unless they decide to eat a ton of salary and I don't see it happening.

I think Aoki is moved in a minor deal for some bullpen help. I think one of Lohse or Gallardo could be moved if they like what they have in Nelson. They could sell high on Estrada too before he gets expensive. But here's a preliminary look:

SP: Gallardo
SP: Lohse
SP: Estrada
SP: Peralta
SP: Thornburg

CL: Henderson
RP: Gorzelanny
RP: Hand
RP: Kintzler
RP: Wooten
RP: Figaro
RP: Blazek
RP: Badenhop

C: Lucroy
1B: Hart (I think he's back on a prove yourself one year deal)
2B: Gennett
3B: Ramirez
SS: Segura
LF: Davis
CF: Gomez
RF: Braun

BN: Weeks
BN: Bianchi
BN: Maldonado
BN: Schafer

I think they go a hard platoon with Weeks and Gennett. It would make sense to move Braun, either to 1B or RF. If they moved him to 1B and didn't bring Hart back it would mean Gindl could have a spot on the roster.

Post #78 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:53 pm

Overall I think it's a nice looking roster. Low on top of the line pitching, but without any holes offensively.

Kerb Hohl · Post #79 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:48 pm

DB, I'll eat crow so far on Gennett, but the real question is, what has he been eating this year? Did he honestly just bulk up and get home much more home run power in the past month? I'm sure you wouldn't even disagree with this much, but while I'm fine with trotting him out there next year, I still am cautiously optimistic about his long-term future as a good hitting 2B.

Post #80 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:27 pm

I wonder how much we'd have to pay on Weeks contract to get rid of him.