Paul for Westrbook

[Clip34life]

Who blinks first?

[RunOKC]

OKC turns that down the second it comes

[Clip34life]

:lol:

OKC turns that down the second it comes

Seriously? I would do this trade only because Paul is unhappy in LA but I think he makes a bigger impact than Westbrook on the game IMO.

[bbms]

I think Thunder takes it. Nearly perfect fit to Durant imo. Westbrook takes pressure off Durant, but can't get Durant to get 20+ FGA/g without breaking the offensive flow. Chris Paul can take pressure off Durant and help him to realize his full scoring potential.

Not to mention Chris Paul can make up for head coaching flaws on the offensive end better than Westbrook. I'm also a bit worried about Westbrook's physical condition after this injury.

I would take it without think twice.

[sonictecture]

I think Thunder takes it. Nearly perfect fit to Durant imo. Westbrook takes pressure off Durant, but can't get Durant to get 20+ FGA/g without breaking the offensive flow. Chris Paul can take pressure off Durant and help him to realize his full scoring potential.

Not to mention Chris Paul can make up for head coaching flaws on the offensive end better than Westbrook. I'm also a bit worried about Westbrook's physical condition after this injury.

I would take it without think twice.

Chris Paul is slated to make just over $21M with a max extension next season where Westbrook is making $14.6M. $7M seems like a lot for a team already near the luxury tax.

Blake Griffin still has pressure on him despite playing with Paul. The pressure will always be there for Durant, he will always be the focus of opposing defenses.

If I remember right Paul is playing without a meniscus ligament after previous injuries in which they shaved the tendon rather than repairing it and eventually removed it. I don't share your concern about Russell's injury.

Paul doesn't seem to get much scrutiny nationally for a lack of consistency, but is lauded more than most for taking over a game here an there.

This is an easy stick with Westbrook decision for me.

[bondom34]

Westbrook is also 4 years younger to top it off, definitely Westbrook no question.

[BirdmanPresents]

I'd stick with Westbrook unless Clips could pair someone else with Paul and take back Perk, but there's no one else enticing enough I'd want back.

[SantaMenon]

I would say Hell No.

[bbms]

Chris Paul's game tends to age better than Westbrook's. Chris Paul already lost a lot of athleticism and he's still one of the most impactful offensive player in the game. You can't say that if Westbrook's athleticism goes down, he would still have all-NBA impact.

Griffin doesn't have any versatility. He's a bigman that can't shoot, he's not the smartest screener in the game. He's only effective with the ball in his hands to isolate against defense, take offensive rebounds and in transition. He doesn't have the skillset to benefit from Chris Paul's playmaking. In that regard, I think Ibaka for example is a better fit next to Chris Paul, even being a way worse offensive weapon.

Of course Durant is not going to be free on the offense. But you can see clearly that when you have a capable ball handler on the floor, Durant unloads a lot of pressure off his back and can focus on just creating separation to a score. Chris Paul is a better ball handler than Westbrook.

He's also a much more reliable player to face tight defenses, since he doesn't try to force the issue, and one of the league's best player when the defense clamps.

I think Chris Paul would make the Thunder better.

[machu46]

I honestly think OKC would be worse with cp3. They need Westbrook's scoring ability too much.

[Devilanche]

I think Thunder takes it. Nearly perfect fit to Durant imo. Westbrook takes pressure off Durant, but can't get Durant to get 20+ FGA/g without breaking the offensive flow. Chris Paul can take pressure off Durant and help him to realize his full scoring potential.

Not to mention Chris Paul can make up for head coaching flaws on the offensive end better than Westbrook. I'm also a bit worried about Westbrook's physical condition after this injury.

I would take it without think twice.

Chris Paul is slated to make just over $21M with a max extension next season where Westbrook is making $14.6M. $7M seems like a lot for a team already near the luxury tax.

Blake Griffin still has pressure on him despite playing with Paul. The pressure will always be there for Durant, he will always be the focus of opposing defenses.

If I remember right Paul is playing without a meniscus ligament after previous injuries in which they shaved the tendon rather than repairing it and eventually removed it. I don't share your concern about Russell's injury.

Paul doesn't seem to get much scrutiny nationally for a lack of consistency, but is lauded more than most for taking over a game here an there.

This is an easy stick with Westbrook decision for me.

yeap. that 7m extra is 10.5m in luxury payment. I don't think OK would pay nearly 18m more just to move from RW to CP.

[comingbacktousa]

Chris Paul is currently better on the court than Westbrook, no doubt about it.

But that's about where's CP3's advantage over Westbrook ends.
Westbrook cost 7 mill less per a year. So is Westbrook+mle Player better than CP3?
Westbrook has shown to be a lot more durable.
Westbrook is 4 years younger than Chris Paul.
Westbrook scarified over 10+ million for OKC, I doubt Chris Paul would do that.
Chris Paul seems to be a headcase off the court.
Chris Paul also seems to have issues with his coaches often/teams a lot.

Don't think CP3's on court advantage is worth all the things that is in favor of Westbrook.

The only thing I would trade Westbrook for is a post player.

[sonictecture]

Chris Paul's game tends to age better than Westbrook's. Chris Paul already lost a lot of athleticism and he's still one of the most impactful offensive player in the game. You can't say that if Westbrook's athleticism goes down, he would still have all-NBA impact.

We won't have to worry about Westbrook's athleticism for another 6+ years and Paul will be retired at that point, but your missing the part how Westbrook keeps adding to his game every year and how devastating his post up game is likely to grow as he ages. Westbrook will age just fine.

Griffin doesn't have any versatility. He's a bigman that can't shoot, he's not the smartest screener in the game. He's only effective with the ball in his hands to isolate against defense, take offensive rebounds and in transition. He doesn't have the skillset to benefit from Chris Paul's playmaking. In that regard, I think Ibaka for example is a better fit next to Chris Paul, even being a way worse offensive weapon.

This is one of the weakest arguments you couldn't be more wrong in everything you stated here.

Of course Durant is not going to be free on the offense. But you can see clearly that when you have a capable ball handler on the floor, Durant unloads a lot of pressure off his back and can focus on just creating separation to a score. Chris Paul is a better ball handler than Westbrook.

So instead of making an argument that Paul has better vision and is a better distributor you've chosen to focus on his ball handling ability as an argument? Weird. Westbrook seems more than adequate in this department it's not an And1 demonstration.

He's also a much more reliable player to face tight defenses, since he doesn't try to force the issue, and one of the league's best player when the defense clamps.

I think Chris Paul would make the Thunder better.

Paul also tends to disappear in games because he lacks the ability to sustain his attacking efforts, something that Westbrook is best in the league at. I think Westbrook makes the Thunder better.

[miltk]

westbrook is a better scorer and okc only has TWO as it is. the idea isn't to give kd better ops because that makes the team 1 player dependent. you need a player who can assume part of the scoring load,,,and that's westy. essentially, i think cp3 on okc means he would have to score more = dish less, and that's not why you want him. okc's problems lie elsewhere, and you propose to change their strength not address their weakness.

[comingbacktousa]

westbrook is a better scorer and okc only has TWO as it is. the idea isn't to give kd better ops because that makes the team 1 player dependent. you need a player who can assume part of the scoring load,,,and that's westy. essentially, i think cp3 on okc means he would have to score more = dish less, and that's not why you want him. okc's problems lie elsewhere, and you propose to change their strength not address their weakness.

Saying Westbrook is a better scorer is kind of iffy. Westbrook lately has a higher volume but Chris Paul has much better efficiency. It comes down to would you rather have 17 points on 12 attempts or 23 on 19 attempts and 2.5 more ft attempts? I rather have the better efficiency. I'm confident that with his better creating the rest of the team can score 6 more points on basically 8 attempts.

Ibaka isn't a bad scorer by any means. He just can't create his own offense really yet. He shot over 36% from 3 and is one of the best big man shooters in the NBA. So if Paul was able to create him more looks than he could increase his scoring without much of a problem.

[miltk]

westbrook is a better scorer and okc only has TWO as it is. the idea isn't to give kd better ops because that makes the team 1 player dependent. you need a player who can assume part of the scoring load,,,and that's westy. essentially, i think cp3 on okc means he would have to score more = dish less, and that's not why you want him. okc's problems lie elsewhere, and you propose to change their strength not address their weakness.

Saying Westbrook is a better scorer is kind of iffy. Westbrook lately has a higher volume but Chris Paul has much better efficiency. It comes down to would you rather have 17 points on 12 attempts or 23 on 19 attempts and 2.5 more ft attempts? I rather have the better efficiency. I'm confident that with his better creating the rest of the team can score 6 more points on basically 8 attempts.

Ibaka isn't a bad scorer by any means. He just can't create his own offense really yet. He shot over 36% from 3 and is one of the best big man shooters in the NBA. So if Paul was able to create him more looks than he could increase his scoring without much of a problem.

true but i think westy really puts pressure on a D in a way that cp3 doesn't. yes, cp3 is way more efficient, i'm not denying that, but westy is an unstoppable force in a way that teams can't stop - just like rose, westy will simply athletically rise above whatever a team throws at him. cp3 is for if you have a few options to score and i don't think okc is that team. serge is just not reliable. in fact i'd say if the playoffs showed anything it's that rose had more to work with than westy (contrary to the popular belief that westy had durant and rose didn't) while none of other players on okc stepped up.

also i think with cp3 wysiwyg. westy is still growing as a player. and honestly,,,,,i don't think kd would like it. okc is a very special unit that has virtually weened together,,,a very unusual group.