Bargnani?

[Pharmcat]

2 of the biggest reasons the Knicks were bounced by the Pacers was becayse of the lack of REBOUNDING and TOUGHNESS (mental and physical). A soft 7 footer that shies away from criticism and physical play and who is one of the worst per minute rebounding front court players in the game is NOT what this team needs. Like I said, if the goal is to pull Hibbert then just play Novak at C. Yes...the reason that that sounds silly (and it does) is why it would sound silly if it was Bargnani in its place.

Yes, if they included someone like Amir Johnson (and no reason for them to at all) then it would make sense for NY...because they would actually then have a real viable optionin the front court in Johnson who is the type of energy, athletic, dirty working, physical, rebound enabled front court guy that they need).

another big reason is NY had no 1 to score after melo

JR too inconsistent
amare hurt

[spree2kawhi]

2 of the biggest reasons the Knicks were bounced by the Pacers was becayse of the lack of REBOUNDING and TOUGHNESS (mental and physical). A soft 7 footer that shies away from criticism and physical play and who is one of the worst per minute rebounding front court players in the game is NOT what this team needs. Like I said, if the goal is to pull Hibbert then just play Novak at C. Yes...the reason that that sounds silly (and it does) is why it would sound silly if it was Bargnani in its place.

Yes, if they included someone like Amir Johnson (and no reason for them to at all) then it would make sense for NY...because they would actually then have a real viable optionin the front court in Johnson who is the type of energy, athletic, dirty working, physical, rebound enabled front court guy that they need).

another big reason is NY had no 1 to score after melo

JR too inconsistent
amare hurt

this. and as much as I'd love to have amir johnson too, him and chandler in the same frontcourt could never even be considered for a hundred reasons. the goal is not to pull hibbert but to get this offense flowing in a reliable manner. Bargnani could do that but it still is not happening.

[CKamm1]

Beyond his other issues, Bargnani has been pretty **** even on the offensive end for a few years now too. Maybe a change is exactly what he needs but it's not a given he even provides anything on that end either.

[I_Love_NYK]

I'd rather have Marcus Camby as our starting C than Bargiani

[spree2kawhi]

I'd rather have Marcus Camby as our starting C than Bargiani

most people are saying PF next to Chandler. I'm out of this discussion now, though. Don't want to sound too supportive of Bargnani. He would be a terrific fit, obviously available but not a savior. That's pretty much it.

[BowlRips]

I'd rather have Marcus Camby as our starting C than Bargiani

most people are saying PF next to Chandler. I'm out of this discussion now, though. Don't want to sound too supportive of Bargnani. He would be a terrific fit, obviously available but not a savior. That's pretty much it.

thats the answer honestly.
terrific fight not the answer though
for a novak and camby package you must consider

[Huey Freeman]

He'll be amnestied...and then clear waivers. Only consider adding him THEN.

[GettinitDone]

2 of the biggest reasons the Knicks were bounced by the Pacers was becayse of the lack of REBOUNDING and TOUGHNESS (mental and physical). A soft 7 footer that shies away from criticism and physical play and who is one of the worst per minute rebounding front court players in the game is NOT what this team needs. Like I said, if the goal is to pull Hibbert then just play Novak at C. Yes...the reason that that sounds silly (and it does) is why it would sound silly if it was Bargnani in its place.

Yes, if they included someone like Amir Johnson (and no reason for them to at all) then it would make sense for NY...because they would actually then have a real viable optionin the front court in Johnson who is the type of energy, athletic, dirty working, physical, rebound enabled front court guy that they need).

We need to take Hibbert away from the paint. Put Bargnani at C, and have him camp outside 3... it's gonna drive Frank "oops I didn't say it" Vogel crazy.

[IMAN5]

I'm a fan of both teams, and follow both teams. Bargnani is compelte garbage, and I don't want the Knicks to lose their one legit defending big man for one of the biggest busts ever. #1 draft pick wasted. He is a huge bust, who can shoot 3's (sometimes).

If Kwame or Olawakandi could make 3's they'd be just as good as him. Because after that, Bargnani is absolutely terrible.

[moocow007]

2 of the biggest reasons the Knicks were bounced by the Pacers was becayse of the lack of REBOUNDING and TOUGHNESS (mental and physical). A soft 7 footer that shies away from criticism and physical play and who is one of the worst per minute rebounding front court players in the game is NOT what this team needs. Like I said, if the goal is to pull Hibbert then just play Novak at C. Yes...the reason that that sounds silly (and it does) is why it would sound silly if it was Bargnani in its place.

Yes, if they included someone like Amir Johnson (and no reason for them to at all) then it would make sense for NY...because they would actually then have a real viable optionin the front court in Johnson who is the type of energy, athletic, dirty working, physical, rebound enabled front court guy that they need).

another big reason is NY had no 1 to score after melo

JR too inconsistent
amare hurt

Amare Stoudemire has played in MORE games than Bargnani has the past 2 seasons. This is the same guy that is "always hurt". So if Stoudemire is "always hurt" and still managed to play more games than Bargnani the past 2 seasons what does that say about Bargnani?

Also as an FYI...Stoudemire has also played in more games since 2006-2007 (Bargnani's rookie season AND also the first season AFTER microfracture for Stoudemire).

And Bargnani is MORE inconsistent than JR Smith.

Bargnani has also consistently been among the least productive players in the NBA in terms of contributing to team wins.

So between the injury concerns (MISSED MORE GAMES THAN STOUDEMIRE), the inconsistencies (MORE INCONSISTENT THAN SMITH), the lack of production (various blogs actually have an award named after Bargnani given to players that are among the least productive and condusive to their teams success) and the salary, there really is no reason for the Knicks to do this UNLESS the Raptors send the Knicks something else as enticement like Amir Johnson.

[moocow007]

Beyond his other issues, Bargnani has been pretty **** even on the offensive end for a few years now too. Maybe a change is exactly what he needs but it's not a given he even provides anything on that end either.

Correct. The one thing that Bargnani used to do well he hasn't done well in years.

Now if the change of scenery was to a team like Charlotte or Orlando then, sure, it may be that a change will help him rediscover his offensive stroke. There would be no real pressure, no real sources of glaring criticism, no need to worry about impacting wins (something that he's among the worst in the NBA in doing for guys that play more than 500 minutes).

But in NY? There is going to no reprieve, no "oh that's ok Andrea, we don't mind if you can't produce", none of that. He'll get lynched and beaten and cursed every step of the way if he doesn't produce. I mean heck, see how NY media and fans go at Carmelo Anthony and you expect them to not absolutely kill Bargnani if he can't produce?

Bargnani is a soft individual mentally and physically...go ask Raptor fans what they'd like to do to him. Sending him to NY spells disaster IMO.

If we were talking about some split reality where we were trading the 2013 version of Stoudemire for the 2008 version of Bargnani, then sure. But we're not. We're talking about trading the 2013 version of one for the 2013 version of the other here. And the 2013 version of Bargnani is a soft player that can't produce and can't stay on the court. I'd rather stick to the tougher guy that still can produce...and again...has played in more games.

[GONYK]

Bargs isn't even good in 2k

[moocow007]

And again, the whole argument about Bargnani being able to pull Hibbert out of the perimeter is just silly.

Vogel doesn't run some simplistic HS defense that is dopey enough to send their biggest paint clogger out on the perimeter to defend Bargnani (when he chucks up a 3 pointer that he has had problems hitting consistently for years). If it was THAT easy to beat Hibbert and the Pacers defense, then, like I've said already, they could have just played Steve Novak and list his name next to "Center" on the scorecard...lol. I mean Vogel would have seen it and then immediately said, "Roy, go out and defend Novak at the 3 point line cause Woodson listed him as his C, sorry dude" right? Lol.

What WILL likely happen however if the Knicks were somehow daft enough to think about plugging Bargnani at C against the Pacers is they'll go into Hibbert every time they have the ball and he'd end up with probably 35-40 points on 14-15 shooting and about 20 rebounds since Bargnani would have problems boxing out Lance Stephenson much less Roy Hibbert.

[I_Love_NYK]

I can't believe this board got 27 pages on Andrea Bargiani.

[GONYK]

I can't believe this board got 27 pages on Andrea Bargiani.

The offseason is a dark and full of terrors

[StephNYKurry]

I'm even more intrigued.

So what would it actually take to pull of a Rudy Gay/Bargnani deal?

[Thugger HBC]

I'm even more intrigued.

So what would it actually take to pull of a Rudy Gay/Bargnani deal?

An idiot for as GM.

[StephNYKurry]

I'm even more intrigued.

So what would it actually take to pull of a Rudy Gay/Bargnani deal?

An idiot for as GM.

Nope. Just someone who thinks Gay is as terrible as you do

[Thugger HBC]

I'm even more intrigued.

So what would it actually take to pull of a Rudy Gay/Bargnani deal?

An idiot for as GM.

Nope. Just someone who thinks Gay is as terrible as you do

The Knicks dont need 2 bootleg versions of Melo and a scrub that can be had for free.

JR does everything Rudy does, at a fraction of the cost.

[StephNYKurry]

An idiot for as GM.

Nope. Just someone who thinks Gay is as terrible as you do

The Knicks dont need 2 bootleg versions of Melo and a scrub that can be had for free.

JR does everything Rudy does, at a fraction of the cost.

JR has shot 45% from the field once in his career

Rudy's done it 5 times.

Very similar.