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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#61 » by Pharaoh » Sun Jun 2, 2013 11:54 am

I don't think how Joe views Knight should play any part in who we select at #8.

We need:

we need a quality big man: Drummond and Monroe can't play 48 minutes each!

we need 2 quality wings: Singler and Middleton are nice, Stuckey is... what he is! We need serious help here

we need a quality PG: Knight has a lot of things going for him... but right now he should be viewed as a role player

MCW, Bazz, C.J, Schroeder, Len, Zeller, KCP...

We can't solve all our problems through the first round of the Draft (we only have #8)... but we should certainly hope to solve one of them
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#62 » by ImHeisenberg » Sun Jun 2, 2013 8:15 pm

Pharaoh wrote:MCW, Bazz, C.J, Schroeder, Len, Zeller, KCP...

We can't solve all our problems through the first round of the Draft (we only have #8)... but we should certainly hope to solve one of them

Well said, Pharaoh. Although, I would hate to draft Len. Also, KCP would be a reach at 8.

machu46 wrote:Regarding MCW not being a good fit because Detroit is an inside out team... To be fair, Memphis is like the worst team in the league in terms of shooting the ball, and they also have two guys they feed in the post, and clearly they were successful.

And I honestly expect MCW to be an average shooter in the league. Around 36% from 3 or so while doing most of his damage on penetration (but he needs to bulk up a bit)

And Memphis' poor outside shooting was the number 1, 2, 3 and 4th reasons why they were swept by San Antonio. They couldn't make an outside shot, and they just clogged the paint and wouldn't let Z-Bo or Gasol beat them.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#63 » by Clarity » Mon Jun 3, 2013 4:45 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:And Memphis' poor outside shooting was the number 1, 2, 3 and 4th reasons why they were swept by San Antonio. They couldn't make an outside shot, and they just clogged the paint and wouldn't let Z-Bo or Gasol beat them.


ding, ding, ding

what does he win Alex?
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#64 » by Phenomenonsense » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:17 am

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ImHeisenberg wrote:And Memphis' poor outside shooting was the number 1, 2, 3 and 4th reasons why they were swept by San Antonio. They couldn't make an outside shot, and they just clogged the paint and wouldn't let Z-Bo or Gasol beat them.


ding, ding, ding

what does he win Alex?


You guys are ignoring the fact that Marc Gasol was too big/slow to hedge on screens and that allowed for Tony to penetrate 10 times per possession because of the way the spurs use many many screens.
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Post#65 » by Clarity » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:24 am

No one is discrediting Tony Parker at all, he was amazing & a major reason SA won that series but were referencing Memphis offensively. When you're an inside out team (our future) you have to have shooters because otherwise smart teams like SA will clog the lane.

If you & I are playing 1 on 1 & you cant shoot, im literally playing 3 feet off you to protect the paint. I won't hesitate to double your bigs either because again I'll take the risk of a non shooter beating me with his shot.

& Generally non shooters (like MCW) don't just become great or elite shooters.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#66 » by Phenomenonsense » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:45 am

Clarity wrote:No one is discrediting Tony Parker at all, he was amazing & a major reason SA won that series but were referencing Memphis offensively. When you're an inside out team (our future) you have to have shooters because otherwise smart teams like SA will clog the lane.

If you & I are playing 1 on 1 & you cant shoot, im literally playing 3 feet off you to protect the paint. I won't hesitate to double your bigs either because again I'll take the risk of a non shooter beating me with his shot.

& Generally non shooters (like MCW) don't just become great or elite shooters.


I'm not going to argue that you need shooters, I'm just not going to say that you sacrifice in other areas to go against it. A decent stop-gap at SF could be Wright, at least until we can find a starter quality SF, and until MCW can develop a shot. I foresee a future of MCW-Rondo esque shooter, Knight - Good 3 ball, SF - Granger like shooter? Maybe?, Monroe - Progress in the 19 footer, Drummond - A go to post move + variations.

Building and offense around that line-up wouldn't be hard even for MoCheeks.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#67 » by Phenomenonsense » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:48 am

Clarity wrote:No one is discrediting Tony Parker at all, he was amazing & a major reason SA won that series but were referencing Memphis offensively. When you're an inside out team (our future) you have to have shooters because otherwise smart teams like SA will clog the lane.

If you & I are playing 1 on 1 & you cant shoot, im literally playing 3 feet off you to protect the paint. I won't hesitate to double your bigs either because again I'll take the risk of a non shooter beating me with his shot.

& Generally non shooters (like MCW) don't just become great or elite shooters.


I'm not going to argue that you need shooters, I'm just not going to say that you sacrifice in other areas to go against it. A decent stop-gap at SF could be Wright, at least until we can find a starter quality SF, and until MCW can develop a shot. I foresee a future of MCW-Rondo esque shooter, Knight - Good 3 ball, SF - Granger like shooter? Maybe?, Monroe - Progress in the 19 footer, Drummond - A go to post move + variations.

Building and offense around that line-up wouldn't be hard even for MoCheeks.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#68 » by ImHeisenberg » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:49 am

Phenomenonsense wrote:
You guys are ignoring the fact that Marc Gasol was too big/slow to hedge on screens and that allowed for to penetrate 10 times per possession because of the way the spurs use many many screens.


I would point out that you're ignoring the fact that Parker does that to every team he plays. The guys a top 5 PG, arguably top 3.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#69 » by Clarity » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:52 am

I can't see Knight as a 2, not even close. He's either gonna be the starting PG or backup PG.

The Rondo comparison is off to me, Rondo isnt Rondo without that big 3 bringing him along & complimenting his skill & we have nothing like that here.

I'm with you on our 3 being Granger ish, Monroe stepping out a little more & Drummond getting his bbq chicken on with a jump hook. I'm with you on all that for sure.

Shooters are vital for that stuff with our bigs to happen though.
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#70 » by Clarity » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:52 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
You guys are ignoring the fact that Marc Gasol was too big/slow to hedge on screens and that allowed for to penetrate 10 times per possession because of the way the spurs use many many screens.


I would point out that you're ignoring the fact that Parker does that to every team he plays. The guys a top 5 PG, arguably top 3.


Couldnt agree more
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Re: Brandon Knight vs. CJ McCollum 

Post#71 » by Phenomenonsense » Mon Jun 3, 2013 5:58 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
You guys are ignoring the fact that Marc Gasol was too big/slow to hedge on screens and that allowed for to penetrate 10 times per possession because of the way the spurs use many many screens.


I would point out that you're ignoring the fact that Parker does that to every team he plays. The guys a top 5 PG, arguably top 3.


Uh.. how am I ignoring it? Marc Gasol's inability to even make Parker WORK to get into the lane and letting him take open jumpers was hilarious. Parker is great, no one would argue against that. I foresee similar troubles with the Pacers if they make it to the finals.

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