Trade Idea Thread II

[QRich3]

when it comes to Afflalo vs Ariza, I'd much rather have Afflalo if we are giving similar assets for them, although I was surprised to find out they're the same age. They are both similar defenders, both above average but not great, but Afflalo is a much better shooter, he's shot on the low forties from 3 every year except this one when his usage has jumped to a number he can't really handle. Same for his overall TS%, he's been on the mid fifties/low sixties until this year. Meanwhile Ariza has had various usage numbers on his career but has never come close to shooting 40% from 3 or to a TS% nearing the sixties. His carrer average is a very poor 51% actually. Plus he's gonna have to get paid again after next year. Or you can see it as he's in a contract year therefore he has to perfom this year, it depends if you wanna see the glass half full.

Also, I'd argue we have more need for a 2 way SG than a SF, where we can re-sign Barnes for the mini-MLE. And we then could use Crawford in his true role of 6th man without having to end games with him pretending to defend

[og15]

That's the thing, we'd be giving less assets for Ariza, just Butler and moving down a few draft spots. Ariza is a better defender and has been more consistent in the post-season. Also I think Ariza is a guy you can re-sign for $5-6M a year so he'd end up being cheaper, but maybe I'm wrong on that one.

Afflalo is the superior shooter, no doubt, but Ariza is the superior everything else and comes at a cheaper price, that's what leans me in that direction. You could get Ariza and then still trade Bledsoe for a starting SG.

[TheMagicOne]

That's the thing, we'd be giving less assets for Ariza, just Butler and moving down a few draft spots. Ariza is a better defender and has been more consistent in the post-season. Also I think Ariza is a guy you can re-sign for $5-6M a year so he'd end up being cheaper, but maybe I'm wrong on that one.

Afflalo is the superior shooter, no doubt, but Ariza is the superior everything else and comes at a cheaper price, that's what leans me in that direction. You could get Ariza and then still trade Bledsoe for a starting SG.

Since we have had both Ariza and Afflalo in a Magic Uniform let me help describe what you get with both.

Ariza - you get high energy, but a propensity to injure himself. He is Gerald Wallace "LITE". His shooting is probably the most streaky of any player you will have. When he is on, he is hot hot hot, when he is off, he is cold cold cold. The problem also with Ariza is he thinks he is THE MAN on his team. He tends to want to take over the game, good or bad, and show he has the skills. He will tease you big time with what he displays on the court at times, almost like he has some in his prime TMAC in him. The problem is there is more tease than substance. Defensively he plays the passing lanes and IMO takes too many chances. He will make a highlight play maybe once a game, but he will get beat more than he makes the highlight play. It is a reason Stan Van Gundy got frustrated with him and sat him on the bench several games in a row. Same reason LA Fakers let him walk, same reason Houston traded him, NO traded him and the same reason Washington will gladly trade him. Good or Bad (you decide) he is up for a contract renewal. IMO you get way more value and harder playing out of Matt Barnes.

Afflalo - he is pretty much your blue collar type player. He is not going to try and take over a game, but he has confidence in his shot and ability to get his shot if called upon. This season, it seemed he forced way too much, but I think that may be in part to not having an Alpha Dog on our team. He plays way better than average defense and does not allow his man to drive past him. He is not your highlight play defensive specialist. He is more of a very smart, knows his assignments and does his job well defensive player. He reminded me a lot of Grant Hill with less skills this year. He has consistently shown he can hit spot up shots like Grant Hill. He plays defense like an in his prime Grant Hill, but does not have the passing or play making ability Hill had. Good or Bad y decide about his contract, but you would have him for 3 more seasons and I think that would make Paul pretty happy knowing who his backcourt mate would be.

IMO you have a better player in Barnes than you would get in Ariza, both for the money and consistent play.

In Afflalo you Have a really good compliment to Chris Paul because he won't get in the way, he will be where he is supposed to be on the court at all times and he is a team player. The guy has a ton of heart and wants to win. Also he is from LA so I would think that he would be playing extra hard in front of his peeps. Is he the best compliment next to Paul? That is a tough question, but based on the money, contract, player productivity and team player aspect you would be getting a serious bang for your buck in the next three years.

If we traded you Moore with the deal, you would be the clear winners in the trade unless Bledsoe turns out to be more than a capable starting PG. then we might call it an even trade in the end.

No matter what you do, I would get rid of Butler and start Barnes. As far as Bledsoe, n OT sure what his ultimate value will be, and if we really want him as a team, we can try and sign him next summer, assuming you don't trade him.


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[QRich3]

Excellent breakdown TheMagicOne. Although it's true that if we can get Ariza for Caron + our first, and then we end up re-signing Arizo for a MLE type of deal, I'd definitely do that rather than the Afflalo deal. It's treu that Ariza, like Barnes, would look really good with Paul finding him on cuts to the basket and corner threes.

On the other hand, I still have the delusional hope that Gorgui Dieng will fall to us at 25th, and then I wouldn't do it so it's wiser to wait it out I think.

[Det the Threat]

Not sure why folks like Ariza that much.

He's an alright defender with a crappy shooting percentage(even when he played with CP3) that still keeps on shooting the rock.

I'd rather have Afflalo than him, as he knows that he's purely a defender and spot up shooter on a team with more talent than the current Magic squad.

Though, I still wouldn't include Bledsoe in a deal for Afflalo, especially not one that would also send out Butler.

[TheGoodDoctor]

I've been told that Clipper fans would be good with trading Bledsoe for Terrence Ross...is there any truth to that?

[mttwlsn16]

No

[tranjSAIC]

No

If you had to trade Bledsoe, would you rather have Ross or Afflalo?

[azncorruptedo17]

i'd actually be down for a eb+ross trade... but not straight up. give us a pick, ross isn't proven but has great upside.

[TheMagicOne]

Not sure why folks like Ariza that much.

He's an alright defender with a crappy shooting percentage(even when he played with CP3) that still keeps on shooting the rock.

I'd rather have Afflalo than him, as he knows that he's purely a defender and spot up shooter on a team with more talent than the current Magic squad.

Though, I still wouldn't include Bledsoe in a deal for Afflalo, especially not one that would also send out Butler.

The Magic won't be trading Afflalo to anyone where a promising young player is not involved. Afflalo actually fits in to our team culture very nicely. He is a great team player and proved to be a good player to learn from for our young guys. I cannot see any way on earth the Magic trade Afflalo without the assurance of a young piece coming back. We value him too much, his contract is way affordable based on his production and he is the perfect role model for the players we are trying to develop.

Also while Butler is a good player, he has had his productivity drastically decline and I cant see CP3 being comfortable with Butler as a solution to the Clips if he chooses to resign. you have to look a lot harder at your roster and think about what CP3 wants to have himself surrounded with.

BTW I am also pretty sure if I was CP3, knowing how much Ariza was a chucker when they played together, there just cant be anyway he would want to have him on the team with him again.

[Det the Threat]

The Magic won't be trading Afflalo to anyone where a promising young player is not involved. Afflalo actually fits in to our team culture very nicely. He is a great team player and proved to be a good player to learn from for our young guys. I cannot see any way on earth the Magic trade Afflalo without the assurance of a young piece coming back. We value him too much, his contract is way affordable based on his production and he is the perfect role model for the players we are trying to develop.

Like I said before in other threads at this forum.

Butler, #25 for Afflalo

Gives you a talent and another trade chip to work with.

If that's not enough, then so be it.

[TheMagicOne]

The Magic won't be trading Afflalo to anyone where a promising young player is not involved. Afflalo actually fits in to our team culture very nicely. He is a great team player and proved to be a good player to learn from for our young guys. I cannot see any way on earth the Magic trade Afflalo without the assurance of a young piece coming back. We value him too much, his contract is way affordable based on his production and he is the perfect role model for the players we are trying to develop.

Like I said before in other threads at this forum.

Butler, #25 for Afflalo

Gives you a talent and another trade chip to work with.

If that's not enough, then so be it.

I can't say we wouldn't do it, but based on the value Afflalo has with our team currently, I can't see Rob pulling off that trade. I think you are close to a decent value for Afflalo, but I think the better trade for us and you is Afflalo, Moore and future second round pick for Bledsoe and Butler.

[Det the Threat]

The Magic won't be trading Afflalo to anyone where a promising young player is not involved. Afflalo actually fits in to our team culture very nicely. He is a great team player and proved to be a good player to learn from for our young guys. I cannot see any way on earth the Magic trade Afflalo without the assurance of a young piece coming back. We value him too much, his contract is way affordable based on his production and he is the perfect role model for the players we are trying to develop.

Like I said before in other threads at this forum.

Butler, #25 for Afflalo

Gives you a talent and another trade chip to work with.

If that's not enough, then so be it.

I can't say we wouldn't do it, but based on the value Afflalo has with our team currently, I can't see Rob pulling off that trade. I think you are close to a decent value for Afflalo, but I think the better trade for us and you is Afflalo, Moore and future second round pick for Bledsoe and Butler.

Etwan Moore and a future second rounder are certainly not enough to net you Bledsoe instead of that #25 pick.

Like I've said, Butler + #25 for Afflalo or we're better off looking elsewhere IMO.

[TheMagicOne]

Like I said before in other threads at this forum.

Butler, #25 for Afflalo

Gives you a talent and another trade chip to work with.

If that's not enough, then so be it.

I can't say we wouldn't do it, but based on the value Afflalo has with our team currently, I can't see Rob pulling off that trade. I think you are close to a decent value for Afflalo, but I think the better trade for us and you is Afflalo, Moore and future second round pick for Bledsoe and Butler.

Etwan Moore and a future second rounder are certainly not enough to net you Bledsoe instead of that #25 pick.

Like I've said, Butler + #25 for Afflalo or we're better off looking elsewhere IMO.

well it's been a healthy discussion...it will be interesting to see what you get for Bledsoe.

[Neddy]

enjoy your lottery status, magic fans. if you think etwan moore + a second round pick is worth bledsoe, you are in for a very long and romantic walk down the lottery lane. believe us when we tell ya, we are clipper fans.

[scoobs07]

Butler+#25 for Afflalo IMO would be a solid deal for both teams, if they can't get anything better. Afflalo is a guy that could defend and hit the three point shot. However, he has a good but not great wing span of 6-9. Orlando could perhaps draft a young PG/PF/SF or C with the 25th pick

[Angel strike1]

Bled butler our 25th pick. For afalo and their 1st round pick.


EAsy. Get it done.


If u don't mind dhs contract u can have him to.
Will give us cap space to sign d12

Or Jefferson and a good 3

[QRich3]

Come on now, let's not be complete homers. Butler is completely useless for them and the 25th pick barely has any value this year, I understand if you don't like paying Afflalo 7.7 mill a year but he's not a bad contract. Caron on the other hand...

Afflalo alone is not worth Bledsoe though, I'd happily do Afflalo + Harkless for Bledsoe + Caron (as a filler) + our pick, but that's probably not enough for them either. Maybe adding 1 or 2 second rounders, or another heavily protected 1st.

It's not gonna be easy to find a balanced trade that includes both Bled and Afflalo.

[Det the Threat]

Come on now, let's not be complete homers. Butler is completely useless for them and the 25th pick barely has any value this year, I understand if you don't like paying Afflalo 7.7 mill a year but he's not a bad contract. Caron on the other hand...

Afflalo alone is not worth Bledsoe though, I'd happily do Afflalo + Harkless for Bledsoe + Caron (as a filler) + our pick, but that's probably not enough for them either. Maybe adding 1 or 2 second rounders, or another heavily protected 1st.

It's not gonna be easy to find a balanced trade that includes both Bled and Afflalo.

It's not about Butler's ability to play the game, it's about his contract and the new CBA, which needs for teams to have financial flexibility.
So Butler's a nice trading chip that might fetch something else down the road, as he's expiring and still able to play.
That's something contending teams really like and are willing to give up their pick for.

Harkless + Afflalo for Bledsoe + Butler might be getting closer and something we could do, if CP3 resigns.

[Neddy]

Come on now, let's not be complete homers. Butler is completely useless for them and the 25th pick barely has any value this year, I understand if you don't like paying Afflalo 7.7 mill a year but he's not a bad contract. Caron on the other hand...

Afflalo alone is not worth Bledsoe though, I'd happily do Afflalo + Harkless for Bledsoe + Caron (as a filler) + our pick, but that's probably not enough for them either. Maybe adding 1 or 2 second rounders, or another heavily protected 1st.

It's not gonna be easy to find a balanced trade that includes both Bled and Afflalo.

why would you give up our pick? we are doing them a favor for taking on a long term deal of afflalo who is clearly too old to be part of their rebuilding, and not only give them an expiring of caron but gift wrap bledsoe who can be their cornerstone PG AND a pick? no way no how harkless is enough for those assets.
either i would ask them to throw in their high pick, which i doubt they would, or take bledsoe out of that deal and go caron + 25th for afflalo and their 2nd rounder.